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If Belmont comes, they bring Lipscomb with them and create two incredibly hostile in state rivalries with the Boulevard and UTC/ETSU. Nevermind the notion that the four teams playing each other in state every year would turn into a mid major blood bath. I'm in on that. Lipscomb won 20 or so this year with Casey Alexander there (A Rick Byrd disciple), so it would be perfect. Sets up a nice pod of ETSU, UTC, Samford, Belmont, Lipscomb, and Western Carolina, though the strength of the league would be in three of the six most years.
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As long as VMI and Citadel are in the league they will kill basketball rpi
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The committee will always choose high major garbage like vandy, Wake Forest, etc. over good mid-majors. I think adding Belmont, etc. just makes it more difficult for us to get to the dance and I'm definitely against that even though it would make for great games and story lines.
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(03-12-2017 09:05 AM)ETSUfan1 Wrote:  We would expand and still be a one bid league.

Absolutely,
This year 38 of the 68 bids went to the Big 6 basketball conferences (ACC, Big East, Big 10, Big 12, SEC, and Pac 12). Conferences other than these received only 4 at large bids total. 23 conferences are one bid conferences and I don't see that changing.
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(03-14-2017 07:38 AM)BucDoctor Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 09:05 AM)ETSUfan1 Wrote:  We would expand and still be a one bid league.

Absolutely,
This year 38 of the 68 bids went to the Big 6 basketball conferences (ACC, Big East, Big 10, Big 12, SEC, and Pac 12). Conferences other than these received only 4 at large bids total. 23 conferences are one bid conferences and I don't see that changing.

Given the present trajectory in college athletics, the only change that I could envision would be a move by these power conferences to separate themselves from the rest.
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(03-14-2017 02:47 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  
(03-14-2017 07:38 AM)BucDoctor Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 09:05 AM)ETSUfan1 Wrote:  We would expand and still be a one bid league.

Absolutely,
This year 38 of the 68 bids went to the Big 6 basketball conferences (ACC, Big East, Big 10, Big 12, SEC, and Pac 12). Conferences other than these received only 4 at large bids total. 23 conferences are one bid conferences and I don't see that changing.

Given the present trajectory in college athletics, the only change that I could envision would be a move by these power conferences to separate themselves from the rest.

Yep. Eventually ESPN and the other networks are going to want the power conferences to only schedule other power conference teams if they those conferences want to keep getting the big TV deals like they have now. ESPN/SEC Network is not going to want to pay the same money to carry a Alabama vs Chattanooga game instead of an Alabama vs Pittsburgh game (this is a football example but same goes for bball).

The group of 5 and FCS schools should be working together to think about their futures. Smart thing to do would be to realign some of the conferences based on geography and to work on local, national and streaming TV deals.
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(03-14-2017 02:47 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  
(03-14-2017 07:38 AM)BucDoctor Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 09:05 AM)ETSUfan1 Wrote:  We would expand and still be a one bid league.

Absolutely,
This year 38 of the 68 bids went to the Big 6 basketball conferences (ACC, Big East, Big 10, Big 12, SEC, and Pac 12). Conferences other than these received only 4 at large bids total. 23 conferences are one bid conferences and I don't see that changing.

Given the present trajectory in college athletics, the only change that I could envision would be a move by these power conferences to separate themselves from the rest.

I actually wish they would separate themselves. It would absolutely DESTROY March Madness as we know it. Put them in a different division, and watch the $$ dry up for them from the NCAA tournament.
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(03-14-2017 07:12 PM)Efan Wrote:  
(03-14-2017 02:47 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  
(03-14-2017 07:38 AM)BucDoctor Wrote:  
(03-12-2017 09:05 AM)ETSUfan1 Wrote:  We would expand and still be a one bid league.

Absolutely,
This year 38 of the 68 bids went to the Big 6 basketball conferences (ACC, Big East, Big 10, Big 12, SEC, and Pac 12). Conferences other than these received only 4 at large bids total. 23 conferences are one bid conferences and I don't see that changing.

Given the present trajectory in college athletics, the only change that I could envision would be a move by these power conferences to separate themselves from the rest.

I actually wish they would separate themselves. It would absolutely DESTROY March Madness as we know it. Put them in a different division, and watch the $$ dry up for them from the NCAA tournament.

It wouldn't dry up for them. It would dry up for non power conferences. As great as the stories of the underdogs are making runs, people want to see UNC, Kansas, Kentucky, UCLA, Indiana, Duke, and teams like that come Sweet 16 and beyond. Those are the large fan bases, those are the large draws at the gate and on TV. It's the same principle that applies in every sport.
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March Madness ratings would be cut by at least a third without mid majors. This isnt football, and the fanbases and teams in the mid majors are substantial and represent a large percent of the viewing audience. It would be a terrible decision for them, for us, and for the viewers. Not happening.
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No, no they don't. The majority of the viewership cares about Duke, Kentucky, Kansas, UNC, Indiana, UCLA, Syracuse, Louisville.
They don't care about Wichita State, Dayton, Xavier, or even Cincinnati or Memphis. If the Power 5 breaks off and does its' own thing, they'll be completely fine without mid and low majors.
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(03-15-2017 05:16 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  No, no they don't. The majority of the viewership cares about Duke, Kentucky, Kansas, UNC, Indiana, UCLA, Syracuse, Louisville.
They don't care about Wichita State, Dayton, Xavier, or even Cincinnati or Memphis. If the Power 5 breaks off and does its' own thing, they'll be completely fine without mid and low majors.

The rest of Division I will continue to give the Power Five folks all they want in football with the hopes of preserving present DI basketball.
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(03-15-2017 06:53 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  
(03-15-2017 05:16 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  No, no they don't. The majority of the viewership cares about Duke, Kentucky, Kansas, UNC, Indiana, UCLA, Syracuse, Louisville.
They don't care about Wichita State, Dayton, Xavier, or even Cincinnati or Memphis. If the Power 5 breaks off and does its' own thing, they'll be completely fine without mid and low majors.

The rest of Division I will continue to give the Power Five folks all they want in football with the hopes of preserving present DI basketball.

That's the bargaining chip I think the non power 5 schools have right now. Tell the power 5 they will not pursue anti trust lawsuit if/when they try to break and only play each other in football if they will start giving more automatic bids to the NCAA bball tournament to the non power 5.
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(03-15-2017 08:04 PM)brock20 Wrote:  
(03-15-2017 06:53 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  
(03-15-2017 05:16 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  No, no they don't. The majority of the viewership cares about Duke, Kentucky, Kansas, UNC, Indiana, UCLA, Syracuse, Louisville.
They don't care about Wichita State, Dayton, Xavier, or even Cincinnati or Memphis. If the Power 5 breaks off and does its' own thing, they'll be completely fine without mid and low majors.

The rest of Division I will continue to give the Power Five folks all they want in football with the hopes of preserving present DI basketball.

That's the bargaining chip I think the non power 5 schools have right now. Tell the power 5 they will not pursue anti trust lawsuit if/when they try to break and only play each other in football if they will start giving more automatic bids to the NCAA bball tournament to the non power 5.

The problem with that is membership in the NCAA is completely voluntary. The power 5 schools could literally form their own version of the NCAA, and maybe include the A-10, Big East, and one other conference to have 8 basketball conferences. Still keeps teams like Georgetown and Villanova included but cuts out what they don't want to fool with anymore.
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If the Southern Conference doesn't expand, it will lose UTC.

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/sport...ok/426797/
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(05-02-2018 09:11 AM)maddvector Wrote:  If the Southern Conference doesn't expand, it will lose UTC.

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/sport...ok/426797/

We've talked about that article before on here. Someone at Chattanooga wanted some information to get out there. That said I dont think the southern conference expanding is what they want (its not mentioned in the article). The article brings up many points about problems with the socon. It is full of small private schools with little to no fan bases.
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(05-02-2018 09:59 AM)brock20 Wrote:  
(05-02-2018 09:11 AM)maddvector Wrote:  If the Southern Conference doesn't expand, it will lose UTC.

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/sport...ok/426797/

We've talked about that article before on here. Someone at Chattanooga wanted some information to get out there. That said I dont think the southern conference expanding is what they want (its not mentioned in the article). The article brings up many points about problems with the socon. It is full of small private schools with little to no fan bases.

Thought UTC decided, in the not to distant past, to turn down an OVC invite? And, why would the Sun Belt offer them an invite? Plus, why would the SoCon expand at this time? Besides, with the Power Five gaining more and more autonomy, along with the money, from the rest — there could be another big shake up within in the next ten years. People have tossed around on here for some time now the idea of a geographical regional universities conference that would include ETSU and UTC. There are a bunch of such institutions out there in a rather compact region here in the south that potentially could make up a new and attractive conference. As for ETSU (and UTC), the SoCon, even with its flaws, makes sense while watching and waiting for the next reordering of college athletics. Side note. App State, as all on here know, jumped to the Sun Belt. But, for a number of reasons, from academics to rivalries, that move still looks strange and weird — unless they’re raking in the money now, especially from their new bowl appearances (that few outside their supporters notice, and certainly don’t attend or watch on the tube)
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The Big 12 will eventually expand by 2 teams. The rumors are 4 AAC schools and 1 independent in the running for the 2 slots.
The AAC will then grab schools from the SunBelt and/or CUSA.
UCT has the facilities for either of these two conferences. ETSU would have to upgrade its football stadium.
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(05-02-2018 03:53 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  
(05-02-2018 09:59 AM)brock20 Wrote:  
(05-02-2018 09:11 AM)maddvector Wrote:  If the Southern Conference doesn't expand, it will lose UTC.

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/sport...ok/426797/

We've talked about that article before on here. Someone at Chattanooga wanted some information to get out there. That said I dont think the southern conference expanding is what they want (its not mentioned in the article). The article brings up many points about problems with the socon. It is full of small private schools with little to no fan bases.

Thought UTC decided, in the not to distant past, to turn down an OVC invite? And, why would the Sun Belt offer them an invite? Plus, why would the SoCon expand at this time? Besides, with the Power Five gaining more and more autonomy, along with the money, from the rest — there could be another big shake up within in the next ten years. People have tossed around on here for some time now the idea of a geographical regional universities conference that would include ETSU and UTC. There are a bunch of such institutions out there in a rather compact region here in the south that potentially could make up a new and attractive conference. As for ETSU (and UTC), the SoCon, even with its flaws, makes sense while watching and waiting for the next reordering of college athletics. Side note. App State, as all on here know, jumped to the Sun Belt. But, for a number of reasons, from academics to rivalries, that move still looks strange and weird — unless they’re raking in the money now, especially from their new bowl appearances (that few outside their supporters notice, and certainly don’t attend or watch on the tube)

UTC:
Men's basketball-last in the SoCon
Football-7th place of 9 teams (only one game ahead of ETSU)
Baseball-doesn't field a team
Softball-4th out of 7 teams
Men's Tennis, next to last in conference
Women's Tennis, 4th of 7 teams,
etc.

Exactly what does UTC bring to the table for another conference? I'll answer my own question. Not much.

The timing doesn't appear to be right for them to be making threats. After they rebuild, maybe.
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(05-03-2018 10:14 PM)BucDoctor Wrote:  
(05-02-2018 03:53 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  
(05-02-2018 09:59 AM)brock20 Wrote:  
(05-02-2018 09:11 AM)maddvector Wrote:  If the Southern Conference doesn't expand, it will lose UTC.

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/sport...ok/426797/

We've talked about that article before on here. Someone at Chattanooga wanted some information to get out there. That said I dont think the southern conference expanding is what they want (its not mentioned in the article). The article brings up many points about problems with the socon. It is full of small private schools with little to no fan bases.

Thought UTC decided, in the not to distant past, to turn down an OVC invite? And, why would the Sun Belt offer them an invite? Plus, why would the SoCon expand at this time? Besides, with the Power Five gaining more and more autonomy, along with the money, from the rest — there could be another big shake up within in the next ten years. People have tossed around on here for some time now the idea of a geographical regional universities conference that would include ETSU and UTC. There are a bunch of such institutions out there in a rather compact region here in the south that potentially could make up a new and attractive conference. As for ETSU (and UTC), the SoCon, even with its flaws, makes sense while watching and waiting for the next reordering of college athletics. Side note. App State, as all on here know, jumped to the Sun Belt. But, for a number of reasons, from academics to rivalries, that move still looks strange and weird — unless they’re raking in the money now, especially from their new bowl appearances (that few outside their supporters notice, and certainly don’t attend or watch on the tube)

UTC:
Men's basketball-last in the SoCon
Football-7th place of 9 teams (only one game ahead of ETSU)
Baseball-doesn't field a team
Softball-4th out of 7 teams
Men's Tennis, next to last in conference
Women's Tennis, 4th of 7 teams,
etc.

Exactly what does UTC bring to the table for another conference? I'll answer my own question. Not much.

The timing doesn't appear to be right for them to be making threats. After they rebuild, maybe.

Its not just about wins and losses. They have the facilities to get an invite to the Sunbelt or CUSA.
Their football stadium has the capacity for 20,000 fans and according to NCAA Bylaws in order to be FBS DI you have to maintain an attendance or paid tickets of 15,000 fans every other year.

Not having a baseball team hurts them.
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(05-04-2018 07:28 AM)maddvector Wrote:  
(05-03-2018 10:14 PM)BucDoctor Wrote:  
(05-02-2018 03:53 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  
(05-02-2018 09:59 AM)brock20 Wrote:  
(05-02-2018 09:11 AM)maddvector Wrote:  If the Southern Conference doesn't expand, it will lose UTC.

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/sport...ok/426797/

We've talked about that article before on here. Someone at Chattanooga wanted some information to get out there. That said I dont think the southern conference expanding is what they want (its not mentioned in the article). The article brings up many points about problems with the socon. It is full of small private schools with little to no fan bases.

Thought UTC decided, in the not to distant past, to turn down an OVC invite? And, why would the Sun Belt offer them an invite? Plus, why would the SoCon expand at this time? Besides, with the Power Five gaining more and more autonomy, along with the money, from the rest — there could be another big shake up within in the next ten years. People have tossed around on here for some time now the idea of a geographical regional universities conference that would include ETSU and UTC. There are a bunch of such institutions out there in a rather compact region here in the south that potentially could make up a new and attractive conference. As for ETSU (and UTC), the SoCon, even with its flaws, makes sense while watching and waiting for the next reordering of college athletics. Side note. App State, as all on here know, jumped to the Sun Belt. But, for a number of reasons, from academics to rivalries, that move still looks strange and weird — unless they’re raking in the money now, especially from their new bowl appearances (that few outside their supporters notice, and certainly don’t attend or watch on the tube)

UTC:
Men's basketball-last in the SoCon
Football-7th place of 9 teams (only one game ahead of ETSU)
Baseball-doesn't field a team
Softball-4th out of 7 teams
Men's Tennis, next to last in conference
Women's Tennis, 4th of 7 teams,
etc.

Exactly what does UTC bring to the table for another conference? I'll answer my own question. Not much.

The timing doesn't appear to be right for them to be making threats. After they rebuild, maybe.

Its not just about wins and losses. They have the facilities to get an invite to the Sunbelt or CUSA.
Their football stadium has the capacity for 20,000 fans and according to NCAA Bylaws in order to be FBS DI you have to maintain an attendance or paid tickets of 15,000 fans every other year.

Not having a baseball team hurts them.

UTC is in a lot better shape than us for a CUSA or Sunbelt invite for the reasons you mentioned, facilities. Sure they don't have a baseball team but that could be fixed pretty easy and they could play at the Lookouts field until they built something.

When you build baseball, softball and soccer fields (without an outdoor track around it) before basketball arenas and football fields you get behind.
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