(12-15-2015 11:03 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 09:58 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

Quote: Non-violent Muslims aren't devout followers of Islam, by definition. The Koran tells followers of Allah to kill or convert non-Muslims. There are dozens of passages that say that, specifically.

So, I'd argue that the violent, jihadist Muslims are the ones actually practicing their religion.

Oh god, this again? You need someone to point to all the old testament laws that aren't followed by almost every single christian in the US? Oh, I know in your interpretation those laws are archaic and no longer to be followed, but it says in the Bible that they are gods laws and should be followed.

Stop. You look foolish and your uneducated xenophobia is showing.

Yeah, there was this thing called the New Testament.

To my knowledge, the ENTIRE Koran commands death/conversion of non-Muslims and barbaric treatment of women & homosexuals.

Also, where are there tens of millions of Christians practicing Old Testament laws?

Well, then they aren't Christians. I mean, the stuff is in the bible. They should be going by the bible, correct?

(12-15-2015 11:05 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 11:03 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 09:58 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

Quote: Non-violent Muslims aren't devout followers of Islam, by definition. The Koran tells followers of Allah to kill or convert non-Muslims. There are dozens of passages that say that, specifically.

So, I'd argue that the violent, jihadist Muslims are the ones actually practicing their religion.

Oh god, this again? You need someone to point to all the old testament laws that aren't followed by almost every single christian in the US? Oh, I know in your interpretation those laws are archaic and no longer to be followed, but it says in the Bible that they are gods laws and should be followed.

Stop. You look foolish and your uneducated xenophobia is showing.

Yeah, there was this thing called the New Testament.

To my knowledge, the ENTIRE Koran commands death/conversion of non-Muslims and barbaric treatment of women & homosexuals.

Also, where are there tens of millions of Christians practicing Old Testament laws?

Well, then they aren't Christians. I mean, the stuff is in the bible. They should be going by the bible, correct?

Christians follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, who wasn't around until the New Testament.

But seriously, keep on defending Islam. It's very telling.

(12-15-2015 11:03 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 09:58 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

Quote: Non-violent Muslims aren't devout followers of Islam, by definition. The Koran tells followers of Allah to kill or convert non-Muslims. There are dozens of passages that say that, specifically.

So, I'd argue that the violent, jihadist Muslims are the ones actually practicing their religion.

Oh god, this again? You need someone to point to all the old testament laws that aren't followed by almost every single christian in the US? Oh, I know in your interpretation those laws are archaic and no longer to be followed, but it says in the Bible that they are gods laws and should be followed.

Stop. You look foolish and your uneducated xenophobia is showing.

Yeah, there was this thing called the New Testament.

To my knowledge, the ENTIRE Koran commands death/conversion of non-Muslims and barbaric treatment of women & homosexuals.

I'll quote the New Testament here-

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.” (Matthew 5:17)

Huh, it's almost as if someone looking from the outside without any knowledge of the religion in its entirety could make the case you're not truly a christian because you don't live by the old testaments laws?

(12-15-2015 11:07 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 11:05 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 11:03 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 09:58 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

Quote: Non-violent Muslims aren't devout followers of Islam, by definition. The Koran tells followers of Allah to kill or convert non-Muslims. There are dozens of passages that say that, specifically.

So, I'd argue that the violent, jihadist Muslims are the ones actually practicing their religion.

Oh god, this again? You need someone to point to all the old testament laws that aren't followed by almost every single christian in the US? Oh, I know in your interpretation those laws are archaic and no longer to be followed, but it says in the Bible that they are gods laws and should be followed.

Stop. You look foolish and your uneducated xenophobia is showing.

Yeah, there was this thing called the New Testament.

To my knowledge, the ENTIRE Koran commands death/conversion of non-Muslims and barbaric treatment of women & homosexuals.

Also, where are there tens of millions of Christians practicing Old Testament laws?

Well, then they aren't Christians. I mean, the stuff is in the bible. They should be going by the bible, correct?

Christians follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, who wasn't around until the New Testament.

But seriously, keep on defending Islam. It's very telling.

Jesus himself said he wasn't here to dismiss the earlier prophets and laws.

And I'm not defending Islam anymore than I'd defend Christians if the tables were turned. I understand that since you have a dog in the fight that makes it harder to admit, and I don't mean that flippantly, but from the outside looking in at the religions teachings, they aren't that different.

Are there vast differences between how portions of those people supposedly living by those teachings are acting currently? Of course. But that doesn't mean you can just dismiss a billion other humans because you read something on the internet once, well at least not without proper ridicule.

Also...

Where are all the Christian countries that are putting people to death for breaking religious laws? Where are those radical Christians stoning women to death and throwing homosexuals off of buildings simply for being homosexual? Where are women forced to have 3 eye-witnesses before claims of rape are even considered being investigated? Where is it OK for grown men to have sexual relationships with children?

Oh yeah, that's called Sharia, and it's a Muslim thing. A pretty damn prevalent one, too.

(12-13-2015 10:49 AM)tigertom Wrote:  

(12-13-2015 02:50 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 05:22 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 04:57 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Tiger, this is a great video. But, I really think that obama already knows all this. In Spanish we say, "se esta haciendo pendejo" roughly translated it means "he's feigning ignorance." Unfortunately, the only ones he's fooling are his devoted followers. To them he is a deity and can do no wrong.

just like republicans with Regan, Bush, etc
democrats with Obama, Clinton, etc

All you people do is worship your stupid party leaders. It's hilarious.

Who is "you people"?

And, for the record, who will you be supporting/voting for?

Oh, and Donald Regan was Chief of Staff for a few years back when, and quite capable, but never on par with Bush or other leaders of the time. Good man, though. Nice shout-out.

Too bad he didn't know the difference between President Ronald Wilson Reagan and Chief of Staff for that president Donald Regan. Yes Don Regan was very capable.

It's fantastic that some Ex-Muslim is attempting to inform Obama.... some are right he is feigning ignorance.

Can't wait until "The One" is out of office and gone into the dark, where he belongs.

Going back to Kenya, The family reunion is waiting !

(12-15-2015 11:12 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Also...

Where are all the Christian countries that are putting people to death for breaking religious laws? Where are those radical Christians stoning women to death and throwing homosexuals off of buildings simply for being homosexual? Where are women forced to have 3 eye-witnesses before claims of rape are even considered being investigated? Where is it OK for grown men to have sexual relationships with children?

Oh yeah, that's called Sharia, and it's a Muslim thing. A pretty damn prevalent one, too.

That isn't really the question here. No doubt Islam currently has people taking everything in the Koran literally, and they're murdering people, whereas Christians got out of that hundreds of years ago. But here the argument seems to be that all the muslims interpret the Koran the same way. They do not, any more than Christians do.

(12-15-2015 11:12 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Also...

Where are all the Christian countries that are putting people to death for breaking religious laws? Where are those radical Christians stoning women to death and throwing homosexuals off of buildings simply for being homosexual? Where are women forced to have 3 eye-witnesses before claims of rape are even considered being investigated? Where is it OK for grown men to have sexual relationships with children?

Oh yeah, that's called Sharia, and it's a Muslim thing. A pretty damn prevalent one, too.

The Muslim countries get a pass because They supply the narcotics the Leftwingers crave !

(12-15-2015 11:17 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 11:12 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Also...

Where are all the Christian countries that are putting people to death for breaking religious laws? Where are those radical Christians stoning women to death and throwing homosexuals off of buildings simply for being homosexual? Where are women forced to have 3 eye-witnesses before claims of rape are even considered being investigated? Where is it OK for grown men to have sexual relationships with children?

Oh yeah, that's called Sharia, and it's a Muslim thing. A pretty damn prevalent one, too.

The Muslim countries get a pass because They supply the narcotics the Leftwingers crave !

Except, you know, I've not given them a pass in any way, shape, or form, and neither has NIU. But hey, let's not let facts get in the way of a good circle jerk, right?! Thinking is for nerds!

(12-15-2015 11:12 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Also...

Where are all the Christian countries that are putting people to death for breaking religious laws? Where are those radical Christians stoning women to death and throwing homosexuals off of buildings simply for being homosexual? Where are women forced to have 3 eye-witnesses before claims of rape are even considered being investigated? Where is it OK for grown men to have sexual relationships with children?

Oh yeah, that's called Sharia, and it's a Muslim thing. A pretty damn prevalent one, too.

You act as if anyone has argued against this, when in fact every single person has pointed out that the extremism in Islam as far more prevalent than other religions currently. How about you read what others post before you just spout talking points?

(12-15-2015 11:26 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 11:12 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Also...

Where are all the Christian countries that are putting people to death for breaking religious laws? Where are those radical Christians stoning women to death and throwing homosexuals off of buildings simply for being homosexual? Where are women forced to have 3 eye-witnesses before claims of rape are even considered being investigated? Where is it OK for grown men to have sexual relationships with children?

Oh yeah, that's called Sharia, and it's a Muslim thing. A pretty damn prevalent one, too.

You act as if anyone has argued against this, when in fact every single person has pointed out that the extremism in Islam as far more prevalent than other religions currently. How about you read what others post before you just spout talking points?

You couldn't help yourself from defending them once again, even subtly. Because after all, Obama said that Christians were barbaric during the Crusades, right? You two are peas in a pod.

The day that Christian countries (or groups of tens of millions of individuals) revert back to medieval practices in the name of God, I will accept ANY sort of comparison between Islam and Christianity. There must be SOMETHING in the Koran that makes a significant % of the world population want to kill in the name of Allah, eh? And don't tell me it's Climate Change or a lack of available jobs (possibly as a result of climate change.)

(12-15-2015 11:29 AM)smudge12 Wrote:  FWIW, in the context of Islam, the non-believers are the "idol-worshipers" of the time. Jews and Christians, basically the Abrahamic religions, are highly spoken of in the Koran and all their followers are to be respected, protected, and believed to be Heaven-bound. You have to remember that Abraham and Jesus (who is the most mentioned person in the Koran) are extremely important prophets in Islam and thus their followers are important as well. Jesus is basically the most revered person behind Mohammad with Muslims (even though the Koran technically says that all the prophets are equals).

Apparently ISIS isn't going by the Koran then, since they obviously have no problem killing Christians or Jews, or even Muslims for that matter. Neither are some of the other militant Islamic groups.

(12-15-2015 11:36 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 11:29 AM)smudge12 Wrote:  FWIW, in the context of Islam, the non-believers are the "idol-worshipers" of the time. Jews and Christians, basically the Abrahamic religions, are highly spoken of in the Koran and all their followers are to be respected, protected, and believed to be Heaven-bound. You have to remember that Abraham and Jesus (who is the most mentioned person in the Koran) are extremely important prophets in Islam and thus their followers are important as well. Jesus is basically the most revered person behind Mohammad with Muslims (even though the Koran technically says that all the prophets are equals).

Apparently ISIS isn't going by the Koran then, since they obviously have no problem killing Christians or Jews, or even Muslims for that matter. Neither are some of the other militant Islamic groups.

"And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

"Those who disbelieve follow falsehood, while those who believe follow the truth from their Lord... So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah's Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives)... If it had been Allah's Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost."

There are TONS more of these... btw.

(12-15-2015 11:40 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 11:36 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 11:29 AM)smudge12 Wrote:  FWIW, in the context of Islam, the non-believers are the "idol-worshipers" of the time. Jews and Christians, basically the Abrahamic religions, are highly spoken of in the Koran and all their followers are to be respected, protected, and believed to be Heaven-bound. You have to remember that Abraham and Jesus (who is the most mentioned person in the Koran) are extremely important prophets in Islam and thus their followers are important as well. Jesus is basically the most revered person behind Mohammad with Muslims (even though the Koran technically says that all the prophets are equals).

Apparently ISIS isn't going by the Koran then, since they obviously have no problem killing Christians or Jews, or even Muslims for that matter. Neither are some of the other militant Islamic groups.

"And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

"Those who disbelieve follow falsehood, while those who believe follow the truth from their Lord... So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah's Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives)... If it had been Allah's Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost."

There are TONS more of these... btw.

You can quote ALL of them but it doesn't change the fact that many muslims do not subscribe to all of that. If they did, we'd have a billion muslims attacking us.

(12-15-2015 11:29 AM)smudge12 Wrote:  FWIW, in the context of Islam, the non-believers are the "idol-worshipers" of the time. Jews and Christians, basically the Abrahamic religions, are highly spoken of in the Koran and all their followers are to be respected, protected, and believed to be Heaven-bound. You have to remember that Abraham and Jesus (who is the most mentioned person in the Koran) are extremely important prophets in Islam and thus their followers are important as well. Jesus is basically the most revered person behind Mohammad with Muslims (even though the Koran technically says that all the prophets are equals).

Charles Manson also had followers !

(12-15-2015 11:36 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 11:26 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 11:12 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Also...

Where are all the Christian countries that are putting people to death for breaking religious laws? Where are those radical Christians stoning women to death and throwing homosexuals off of buildings simply for being homosexual? Where are women forced to have 3 eye-witnesses before claims of rape are even considered being investigated? Where is it OK for grown men to have sexual relationships with children?

Oh yeah, that's called Sharia, and it's a Muslim thing. A pretty damn prevalent one, too.

You act as if anyone has argued against this, when in fact every single person has pointed out that the extremism in Islam as far more prevalent than other religions currently. How about you read what others post before you just spout talking points?

You couldn't help yourself from defending them once again, even subtly. Because after all, Obama said that Christians were barbaric during the Crusades, right? You two are peas in a pod.

The day that Christian countries (or groups of tens of millions of individuals) revert back to medieval practices in the name of God, I will accept ANY sort of comparison between Islam and Christianity. There must be SOMETHING in the Koran that makes a significant % of the world population want to kill in the name of Allah, eh? And don't tell me it's Climate Change or a lack of available jobs (possibly as a result of climate change.)

That's not defending them, at all, that's pointing out the specific differences between islam and other religions. The difference only exists currently, and in recent history, which is the point you seem so intent on claiming is a defense of the religion when it factually isn't.

Read your own post, your hypocrisy is right there. Christianity has killed in the name of god, more times than you or I can count. It's not currently doing so, and that is has in the past is no defense of what Islam is doing now, but you seem incapable of having a rational discussion on this matter. The **FACT** is, all religions and political/social ideologies have been abused at some point with the result of spilling blood and killing in their name.

I know it's easier to just point to muslims and say "THEY'RE DIFFERENT BECAUSE OF ISLAM", but it's not at all defensible from a scriptural, historical, or logical position. None of which you seem interested in learning about.

(12-15-2015 11:40 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 11:36 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 11:29 AM)smudge12 Wrote:  FWIW, in the context of Islam, the non-believers are the "idol-worshipers" of the time. Jews and Christians, basically the Abrahamic religions, are highly spoken of in the Koran and all their followers are to be respected, protected, and believed to be Heaven-bound. You have to remember that Abraham and Jesus (who is the most mentioned person in the Koran) are extremely important prophets in Islam and thus their followers are important as well. Jesus is basically the most revered person behind Mohammad with Muslims (even though the Koran technically says that all the prophets are equals).

Apparently ISIS isn't going by the Koran then, since they obviously have no problem killing Christians or Jews, or even Muslims for that matter. Neither are some of the other militant Islamic groups.

"And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

"Those who disbelieve follow falsehood, while those who believe follow the truth from their Lord... So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah's Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives)... If it had been Allah's Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost."

There are TONS more of these... btw.

Have you ever read the Old Testament? Because if you had, you wouldn't start this debate.

(12-15-2015 09:28 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(12-14-2015 10:23 AM)gsu95 Wrote:  Does the Westboro Baptist Church speak for Baptists?

Does the Westboro Baptist Church have tens of millions of followers?

Didn't think so.

The baptist church, is the most corrupt church in our country by far... When they get too corrupt, they finally switch to non-denominational

Yeah, and the WBC is about as Baptist as the Pope is. They just call their little hate cult Baptist. Doesn't make it so but apparently fools some people.

I just LOL at those trying so hard to find some equivalence btw Muslims and Christians. Keep trying, as this is good entertainment. Makes you look as foolish as many of our so called 'leaders.'

American values don't necessarily include suicide via immigration, even though the left is pushing for it.

(12-17-2015 08:59 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Yeah, and the WBC is about as Baptist as the Pope is. They just call their little hate cult Baptist. Doesn't make it so but apparently fools some people.

I just LOL at those trying so hard to find some equivalence btw Muslims and Christians. Keep trying, as this is good entertainment. Makes you look as foolish as many of our so called 'leaders.'

American values don't necessarily include suicide via immigration, even though the left is pushing for it.

Both Muslims and Christians believe in a God they can't prove exists. Both Muslims and Christians are willing to fight to prove they have a better God. Both Muslims and Christians love to go to Churches or Mosques. Both Muslims and Christians have denominations in their "churches." Both Muslims and Christians claim to have the "better religion." Both Muslims and Christians want to keep other religions away from them. Both Muslims and Christians see the Middle East as holy land. Both Muslims and Christians have a really long book telling them what to do. Both Muslims and Christians seek donations from their congregations. Both Muslims and Christians pray. Both Muslims and Christians interpret their holy texts in different ways. Both Muslims and Christians have normal people that follow their religions. Both Muslims and Christians have radical people that follow their religions. You get the point.

It's all relative you know. That's why religion is ridiculous