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RE: OT: Star Wars Thread [Warning: Spoilers]
Where is Mark Hamill? Here:





And what happened to Harrison Ford? he's here:



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(12-18-2015 05:23 PM)SethManKA1 Wrote:  I really enjoyed the movie! Some of it I didn't like but overall the movie makes sense. After the Empire falls a new order arises. It makes sense to build a new base and considering the space of time from the Deathstar destruction to the present, a new base could be conceived. I think we may have some mad even if they went with a new storyline. I don't know a lot of the Star Wars Universe but from those who do they say it kept to the books. I will be going back to watch it again. I hate Han Solo died but maybe there is a chance he survives...

He was stabbed in the heart by his son with a lightsaber, then fell to the core of a planet that, minutes later, turned into a star (not to mention Ford has wanted him to die for a long time)... pretty sure Han isn't coming back from that.

It sucks. I had guessed it would happen, even knew (after he handed Chewie the detonator) when it was going to happen, but it still shocked the hell out of me when it actually happened. The tension in that scene was crazy. Then him touching Kylo/Ben's face before he fell... wow.
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(12-19-2015 07:34 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  I also wish Luke would have had more of a role. I guess Mark Hamill just really wished he never would have played the part in the first place. So, the guy who confronted the Emperor, turned his father back to light, and defeated the Empire took his ball and went home quitting on his Jedi responsibilities simply because his nephew turned to the dark side? That's just an absurd plot twist and not even believable in this fairy tale world.

So, some interesting questions arise. Who is Rey's mother? Obviously, with no training she was more powerful than Ren. Does that imply that Luke also found another Jedi and had a child with her? And if so what happened to her and why did they abandoned Rey?

I think we need to see the rest of the series and actually know what happened before we can start making those kinds of assumptions about Luke and why he's in hiding.

As far as Rey, there's a pretty cool theory out there that she might be a Kenobi. Great with a saber and instinctively good at mind control... Sounds a lot like Kenobi.

Also, you have to consider that Kylo Ren was severely injured by Chewie's bowcaster, then was cut on the arm by Finn. Not to mention the mental/emotional fatigue after committing patricide. When they meet again (after his training), I think he's going to be hell on wheels.
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(12-21-2015 10:23 AM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  Finn: I'm worried though, cause he seems to be really selfish. Rey and Poe seem to be very altruistic characters, while Finn seems more of an 'it's all about me' kinda guy. Even saving Rey was cause he's got the hots for her and not for any intrinsic good like saving the resistance or stopping the First Order. This motivation can be taken in interesting directions, or not.

Love your descriptions of the movie and characters, and agree with you on just about everything, but you have to know that you just described Han Solo. This is him, not Poe. He's just a little bit greener/goofier than Solo was.
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My theory is that Luke experimented with the Dark Side, started to lose control, and left because he was afraid he could become dangerous. May even have accidentally turned Ben Solo and awakened/created Snoke.
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(12-21-2015 10:23 AM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  Poe Dameron: Hey everyone meet your new Han Solo! Just this time he seems more of a team player. I WISH we were able to see more of this guy in the movie, but that's why we've got at least 2 more movies with the guy. I'm interested to see how he works in the Finn/Rey dynamic other than him and Finn being bros.

I don't know how much of a team player this guy is. "I woke up and the ship was gone and you were gone," he said to Finn. He didn't say "I checked the nearby town for my droid or you." "I had whoever picked me up from the resistance do a flyby and see if you were dying in the middle of the desert somewhere or again, check the nearby town." It was more like, "Thanks for risking your life getting me away from the first order, but I'm too busy to be concerned with what happened to you after that."

Don't get me wrong I liked the guy, but he really acted as if he didn't try at all to determine what happened after that crash.

Oh and why didn't Parkman just read their minds to figure out how to destroy the weapon?
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My main issue with the movie is the new music themes are nowhere near as good as the other movies. None of the new themes really developed into anything and it felt like John Williams was sort of just messing around. Even the way they used the old themes felt weak.

Most people probably don't care, but to me half the enjoyment of Star Wars was always the awesome music and how well it fit with the scenes. A similar thing happened when Howard Shore composed for Lord of the Rings and then the Hobbit: the music just didn't match the scenes as well in the Hobbit. Same thing happened here I think. Not enough emotion there.



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(12-22-2015 03:30 AM)Shrack Wrote:  My main issue with the movie is the new music themes are nowhere near as good as the other movies. None of the new themes really developed into anything and it felt like John Williams was sort of just messing around. Even the way they used the old themes felt weak.

Most people probably don't care, but to me half the enjoyment of Star Wars was always the awesome music and how well it fit with the scenes. A similar thing happened when Howard Shore composed for Lord of the Rings and then the Hobbit: the music just didn't match the scenes as well in the Hobbit. Same thing happened here I think. Not enough emotion there.

Well, here's the original SW trailer from 1977. Quite different energy level due to the music:



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This is a fun read:

30 Things You Definitely Missed In “The Force Awakens"
http://www.buzzfeed.com/awesomer/star-wa....mnLyNAG7Y
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(12-22-2015 04:19 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  
(12-22-2015 03:30 AM)Shrack Wrote:  My main issue with the movie is the new music themes are nowhere near as good as the other movies. None of the new themes really developed into anything and it felt like John Williams was sort of just messing around. Even the way they used the old themes felt weak.

Most people probably don't care, but to me half the enjoyment of Star Wars was always the awesome music and how well it fit with the scenes. A similar thing happened when Howard Shore composed for Lord of the Rings and then the Hobbit: the music just didn't match the scenes as well in the Hobbit. Same thing happened here I think. Not enough emotion there.

Well, here's the original SW trailer from 1977. Quite different energy level due to the music:




I would not have gone to see that movie based on that trailer in this day and age, lol. And the music was very cheesy.
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Not really referring to trailers. Trailers almost always use different music from the film. Talking about actual music in the films. None of the new themes were remotely memorable.

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(12-22-2015 04:51 PM)Shrack Wrote:  Not really referring to trailers. Trailers almost always use different music from the film. Talking about actual music in the films. None of the new themes were remotely memorable.

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I think he was agreeing showing how different something can be just by changing the music or having the music not be all it could have been.
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(12-22-2015 05:22 PM)MUther Wrote:  
(12-22-2015 04:51 PM)Shrack Wrote:  Not really referring to trailers. Trailers almost always use different music from the film. Talking about actual music in the films. None of the new themes were remotely memorable.

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I think he was agreeing showing how different something can be just by changing the music or having the music not be all it could have been.

Ahh yeah, probably right.

First 6 movies all had great themes you could pluck out:

Han And the Princess - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJob_-m-gDE
Yoda's Theme - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--Y4NqTdfPE
Duel of the Fates - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzVBqBosf5w
Love Pledge / The Arena - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdTwSpvFwb8
The Force - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcZ9kQ1h-ZY
The Imperial March - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bzWSJG93P8

and obviously the main theme/end titles.


This was the best newer track in the The Force Awakens in my opinion (though it rehashes older themes):

The Jedi Steps and Finale - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp5OcYHghAY

Rey's themes weren't bad either (they're also mixed into the above)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVw_oV-jLXw

Most of the better scenes in TFA were using the older themes in my mind, but maybe that is just my nostalgia kicking in. But then again, I was never really some huge Star Wars fan so I doubt it's that. Just always thought so much of the music was genius. John Williams is one of the artistic masters of our lifetime.
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Star Wars: a Drunk History (by someone who hasn't seen the films)



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Star Wars Original Trilogy - 8 Bit Cinema


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Even if it was ANew Hope reimagined, it was still great. I liked the different perspective it gave you. In Star Wars IV you saw the planet destroyed from a distance. Here you were on the planet as it was destroyed. There were other scenes that gave a different perspective as well.

I am really curious about Rey's backstory. I think it would be too obvious to make her Luke's daughter. Also curious as to what they will do with Chewie without Solo.

There were a couple of minor characters who seemed to have a bigger share of screen time that hint to a bigger role in future movies. The girl in the "cantina" scene who alerted the First Order of the droids presence got a bigger spotlight than seemed necessary. Same with one of the leaders of the gangs after Solo.

Oh, and I would rather them kill off Indiana Jones than Hans Solo. That character has gotten worse each time. Solo was great here.
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(12-22-2015 04:51 PM)Shrack Wrote:  Not really referring to trailers. Trailers almost always use different music from the film. Talking about actual music in the films. None of the new themes were remotely memorable.

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Totally disagree. Kylo Ren's arrival theme is both awesome and memorable. Almost up there with Imperial March in its menacing tone.
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I agree. It gives you chills.
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I had at least 3 or 4 chills/emotional waves while watching it yesterday. That alone made it good for me, say for that last scene. Just a bit too overly drawn out emotional stares w/out words scenes. The end should have been;

she walks up. see's the cloak. he turns with the hood on. see's her. she raises the saber. he pulls back the cloak. dark. done end it. don't go back and forth back and forth I see you. No, I see you. Take this. I still see you. No... seriously take this. Nope, peekaboo. Stare. long fly away scene.
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(12-26-2015 05:54 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  I am really curious about Rey's backstory. I think it would be too obvious to make her Luke's daughter.

Disagree, I think it has to be this, sometimes the simplest option is the best option... but my confusion is, who's the mom, as Rey said she was left by both her parents??

As for Luke and the dark side of the force.. I think it's along the lines of he was training young Jedi's in order to prevent himself from going over the dark side, and when he lost one to the dark side of the force he went into seclusion to insure that he couldn't go to the dark side, and next movie will be Rey trying to learn/insuring that Luke doesn't go dark, as we have our major villain already in "big ugly" (can't remember his name now)

Quote:Also curious as to what they will do with Chewie without Solo.

So Han dies.. yeah, I knew that was coming... but I was kinda confused with one point.. Since Rey's the jedi to be, why is she getting to team up with Chewie as the pilot of the Mill. Falcon? (Who's appearance got the biggest cheer of the audience by the way when I went last night).

I mean they put the "jacket" on Finn, they made Poe the ace pilot (still not sure I like that character), but Rae gets to take over the Han Solo pilot seat?

I'm still not sure if I like Poe's character or not though, he doesn't have the "smooth" that radiates off him like Ford did as the hotshot pilot, he just seems more cocky than anything.

It was like they spent more of this movie trying to find the next Han Solo than anything else.

Quote:There were a couple of minor characters who seemed to have a bigger share of screen time that hint to a bigger role in future movies. The girl in the "cantina" scene who alerted the First Order of the droids presence got a bigger spotlight than seemed necessary. Same with one of the leaders of the gangs after Solo.

Actually I didn't have a problem with that.

Quote:Oh, and I would rather them kill off Indiana Jones than Hans Solo. That character has gotten worse each time. Solo was great here.

"Twice? Name the second time".

And I loved Rylo's theme music btw... it was (to me) a lot more subtle than the imperial death march.
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