(12-03-2015 10:14 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  Add to that that the state of Ill is broke and all of its state supported universities have a budget crisis. NIU might simply not be able to up Rod's salary even though I feel he has done an excellent job and deserves to be one of the highest paid coaches in the MAC. I hope that he and his family love DeKalb and they decide to stay for several more years.

Certainly a valid point and is so I would hope that is being conveyed to Carey.

Quote:Based on base pay, I believe Carey is around #10 in the MAC and even behind the EMU coach.

To be fair, EMU needs to get a high paying coach to reach 6 wins! They should be paying higher than other coaches in desperation!

(12-03-2015 10:17 PM)BobL Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 10:14 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  Add to that that the state of Ill is broke and all of its state supported universities have a budget crisis. NIU might simply not be able to up Rod's salary even though I feel he has done an excellent job and deserves to be one of the highest paid coaches in the MAC. I hope that he and his family love DeKalb and they decide to stay for several more years.

Certainly a valid point and is so I would hope that is being conveyed to Carey.

Any bump in pay for Carey, if it happens, will come from boosters.

Side note - according to the Orlando Sentinel, new UCF HC Scott Frost signed a five-year deal at $1.7 mil/year plus incentives. Frost also receives an annual pool of $2.3 mil for staff salaries.

(12-03-2015 10:17 PM)BobL Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 10:14 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  Add to that that the state of Ill is broke and all of its state supported universities have a budget crisis. NIU might simply not be able to up Rod's salary even though I feel he has done an excellent job and deserves to be one of the highest paid coaches in the MAC. I hope that he and his family love DeKalb and they decide to stay for several more years.

Certainly a valid point and is so I would hope that is being conveyed to Carey.

You can throw that out. Our supposed state school is paying coaches and athletic directors huge amounts of money not to work there. What is another 200 k for us when they are paying the former A.D. 2.5 million?

(12-03-2015 11:09 PM)RitzHuskie Wrote:  You can throw that out. Our supposed state school is paying coaches and athletic directors huge amounts of money not to work there. What is another 200 k for us when they are paying the former A.D. 2.5 million?

Sorry but you're wrong on this one. The ILL-ness pay their athletic administrators and coaches from their athletic booster funds, not from state money. IF I was a donor I'd be pissed to have so much money going to people no longer working there. The state funds they receive they can use to support additional graduate assistants, travel, etc. That's a big difference between NIU and P5 programs. B1G, Big XII, etc., get around all sorts of budget issues thanks to their boosters, any money from students becomes icing on the cake. Keep in mind, students at those places have to purchase season tickets.

(12-03-2015 11:20 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 11:09 PM)RitzHuskie Wrote:  You can throw that out. Our supposed state school is paying coaches and athletic directors huge amounts of money not to work there. What is another 200 k for us when they are paying the former A.D. 2.5 million?

Sorry but you're wrong on this one. The ILL-ness pay their athletic administrators and coaches from their athletic booster funds, not from state money. IF I was a donor I'd be pissed to have so much money going to people no longer working there. The state funds they receive they can use to support additional graduate assistants, travel, etc. That's a big difference between NIU and P5 programs. B1G, Big XII, etc., get around all sorts of budget issues thanks to their boosters, any money from students becomes icing on the cake. Keep in mind, students at those places have to purchase season tickets.

My impression is that big boosters are fine with wasting money as long as "their guy" is in charge.

(12-03-2015 08:53 PM)sarasotahuskie Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 07:51 PM)NIUSAE Wrote:  "Carey still has things to prove, IMO. He hasn't won a bowl game and he's 1-1 in MACC and possibly about to be 1-2 in MACC." He only has things to prove to people on this board. Obviously the Iowa State AD didn't believe in MC needing to win the MAC west division much less a conference title before bestowing a $2,000,000 annual salary upon him.

Carey has done what is necessary to get to the title game every year he's been head coach. It's not like he's a gym teacher and all he does is roll out the ball and say have at it. If he wasn't intrigued by all the money being thrown around I would be surprised. But maybe the money isn't his main motivator and maybe he wants to keep the engine running hot here in DeKalb and a bump to 750 or 800 would satisfy him. To get him to that level might require a donor or two.

This, I think Carey is a different kind of critter. But, I thought Kill was too.

If Carey was a smart coach with any aspirations.....he'd realize how much STF and NIU are smacking him in the face with his current salary.

Instead, he's probably ecstatic with how nice his house is compared to his DeKalb neighbors and the fact the he can afford to take a trip to Hawaii once a year on top of that!

OMG I'VE MADE IT!!!

Candle's pay at UT is $400,000 salary and 250,000 marketing stipend.

Niu doesn't need to pay top dollar because we have a history of getting coaches promoted after 2-3 years. We are a springboard to P5 and while that sucks, it also allows us to grab great coaches on the upswing for less. Not to mention the P5 schools paying the buyout makes our coaches essentially free

(12-03-2015 04:52 PM)NIU1981 Wrote:  Per CoachingSearch;

"Toledo: New head coach Jason Candle will earn $650,000 annually on a five-year deal, according to WTOL, along with $25,000 annually into a retirement fund. That’s the second-highest salary in the MAC. The buyout is $600,000 both ways over the next three years. That’s a higher salary and higher buyout than former head coach Matt Campbell."

Isn't Carey's base $400,000? He's quickly becoming one of the lower paid coaches in the MAC. Time to bump that up.

PS: I wonder if Toledo wasn't bidding against themselves on that one. You think Candle wouldn't have taken the job for say $500,000?

It is about the reputation of the FB program in the long run not about saving $100-200K in the short run. When schools fire their coaches like a certain school I will not mention, or be a scrooge to a winning head coach other potential future candidates take notice. Being labelled cheap and ungrateful is not a title I want for NIU FB.

(12-03-2015 05:07 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(12-03-2015 04:52 PM)NIU1981 Wrote:  Per CoachingSearch;

"Toledo: New head coach Jason Candle will earn $650,000 annually on a five-year deal, according to WTOL, along with $25,000 annually into a retirement fund. That’s the second-highest salary in the MAC. The buyout is $600,000 both ways over the next three years. That’s a higher salary and higher buyout than former head coach Matt Campbell."

Isn't Carey's base $400,000? He's quickly becoming one of the lower paid coaches in the MAC. Time to bump that up.

PS: I wonder if Toledo wasn't bidding against themselves on that one. You think Candle wouldn't have taken the job for say $500,000?

Yes he is one of the lowest paid in all of FBS...but what is another $200k going to do vs a raise of over 1mil to go to the AAC, MWC or P5? Not much.

The only thing we can offer is a slightly larger assistant pool of money and a longer term contract for Carey maybe with some guaranteed extensions...

1 year extension for winning the MACC
1 year extension for making an Access Bowl game

HuskieJohn you are stuck in the old Joe Novak mindset.
I agree with your assistant pool salary increase.
I applaud your buyout contract provision.
Even Coach Novak had a base salary of over $600 000 more than 7 years ago.
The NIU athletic department may be a Union enclave where salary and performance are independent variables.

Where students are dealt with indirectly via the incredibly popular student government! Yes I would outsource my business to the NIU student government anytime anyplace if I am not looking for top results.

News Flash! Student direct participation means greater student interest!
(Similar to an Ibbotson study which showed that active investments outperform passive investments.)

The more active you are in the decision making, the more accountability and attachment you feel towards a project like NIU Football attendance.

I applaud the incredible achievements of the NIU athletic department but seriously question the financial acumen of its members.

AT WMU a booster pays half of PJ's salary. How about providing alumni an outlet by setting up a fund controlled by Dennis Barsema which goes straight to the FB coaches and head coaches salary.
Where a Bonus schedule with clear goals and measure-able objectives are clearly defined with the help of alumni through marketing surveys and "even" student participation.
That way an NIU FB coach can earn a great Bonus and salary increases by meeting these objectives.
This may increase NIU's appeal to future FB coaching candidates.
It will also not pressure NIU athletics from giving raises to head coaches of other sports, due to political or government legislation like Title 9.

Finally, I am not a troll. Just an NIU FB fan like most who care about the programs ability to continue to attract excellent candidates. While most of this board will say Amen religiously to whatever you say Reverend John, I will not.
The right to dissent is not called trolling.

For the record, I am not criticizing you personally.
Neither am I implying that you have been or are responsible for any unpopular decisions made by NIU athletics in the past.