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How to put pressure on them?

Put a temporary hold on all visas to the U.S. Say , a year. There are a ton of people who have family here and need to do business here. H1N1s done. Let the good Muslims (vast majority) label the trouble makers as the losers.

Kind of like how the Amish shun people within their own community.

(11-14-2015 01:46 PM)rtletterman Wrote:  Do you think the US is the only country that should be leading the effort against them? Why?

No. Saudi's and that crowd need to be the arrow tip.

My immediate emotions were obviously shock, sorrow, and sadness for these poor people and their families (and the country of France for that matter). I will never be able to comprehend the lack of humanity and despicable nature of ISIS. Life should be valued so much more than it is.

This comment is not meant to spark debate, but rather a topic I've been thinking about the last 24 hours. What if the gun laws in France were not so strict? If one, two, three.....heck 10 people had concealed carry permits, the outcome could have been different in my opinion. Not only in this situation, but so many others.

Really now? So you think those guys pulling maybe .380's or 44's, up against AK's and their ordinance would have made a difference huh? Please!

That's just plain old stupid. You want more guns in public? Then be for more police, trained and equipped. Not the GPOP. That's a stale and old argument.

(11-14-2015 05:46 PM)rtletterman Wrote:  Really now? So you think those guys pulling maybe .380's or 44's, up against AK's and their ordinance would have made a difference huh? Please!

That's just plain old stupid. You want more guns in public? Then be for more police, trained and equipped. Not the GPOP. That's a stale and old argument.

How is my opinion stupid? Be for more police? So we'll have a police presence on every street corner? Now that is some stupid logic.

What civilian targets have they hit where security and/or the general public is packing? Not many that I can think of. By all means, the floor is yours. Back it up.

And yes, a .388, 44 etc can be an extremely deadly weapon. Talk about conjecture.

The solution is so obvious.

Declare Paris a gun free zone, and declare public spaces where large numbers of people congregate as "safe spaces."

(11-14-2015 06:15 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  The solution is so obvious.

Declare Paris a gun free zone, and declare public spaces where large numbers of people congregate as "safe spaces."

Bingo

(11-14-2015 06:12 PM)ChuckNorris Wrote:  And yes, a .388, 44 etc can be an extremely deadly weapon. Talk about conjecture.

Sure, against someone with NONE. Not an AK47 and grendades. You're an idiot no matter what you discuss, troll boy.

(11-14-2015 06:09 PM)ChuckNorris Wrote:  

(11-14-2015 05:46 PM)rtletterman Wrote:  Really now? So you think those guys pulling maybe .380's or 44's, up against AK's and their ordinance would have made a difference huh? Please!

That's just plain old stupid. You want more guns in public? Then be for more police, trained and equipped. Not the GPOP. That's a stale and old argument.

How is my opinion stupid? Be for more police? So we'll have a police presence on every street corner? Now that is some stupid logic.

What civilian targets have they hit where security and/or the general public is packing? Not many that I can think of. By all means, the floor is yours. Back it up.

You sure, how about the embassys? Lot's of civilians there, and guards who are trained, military and armed. Consider yourself backed.

(11-14-2015 06:18 PM)rtletterman Wrote:  

(11-14-2015 06:12 PM)ChuckNorris Wrote:  And yes, a .388, 44 etc can be an extremely deadly weapon. Talk about conjecture.

Sure, against someone with NONE. Not an AK47 and grendades. You're an idiot no matter what you discuss, troll boy.

So the positioning of those terrorists with AK47's and those civilians with handguns is always straightened out before hand? You argue for arguments sake, and you make yourself look like a fool.

(11-14-2015 06:17 PM)ChuckNorris Wrote:  

(11-14-2015 06:15 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  The solution is so obvious.

Declare Paris a gun free zone, and declare public spaces where large numbers of people congregate as "safe spaces."

Bingo

No no no, we need a society where everyone is armed, no worries about trainning, whether they're adept, capable, or even know enough to recognize a threat and be accurate with a gun.

And I highly doubt you've ever fired a handgun in your life. You have zero idea what you are talking about here. Go take your weak sh*t back to the football board.

(11-14-2015 06:20 PM)ChuckNorris Wrote:  

(11-14-2015 06:18 PM)rtletterman Wrote:  

(11-14-2015 06:12 PM)ChuckNorris Wrote:  And yes, a .388, 44 etc can be an extremely deadly weapon. Talk about conjecture.

Sure, against someone with NONE. Not an AK47 and grendades. You're an idiot no matter what you discuss, troll boy.

So the positioning of those terrorists with AK47's and those civilians with handguns is always straightened out before hand? You argue for arguments sake, and you make yourself look like a fool.

Positioning? Are you serious? They're militants with training. They were coordinated and tactical. An average civilian "packing" would have been toast. You watch too many Hollywood movies.

I see what an idiot I'm dealing with here, no matter who you really are behind that second id, you're dated logic is a determint, not a help.

(11-14-2015 06:21 PM)rtletterman Wrote:  

(11-14-2015 06:17 PM)ChuckNorris Wrote:  

(11-14-2015 06:15 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  The solution is so obvious.

Declare Paris a gun free zone, and declare public spaces where large numbers of people congregate as "safe spaces."

Bingo

No no no, we need a society where everyone is armed, no worries about trainning, whether they're adept, capable, or even know enough to recognize a threat and be accurate with a gun.

Arm everyone? My god that is some awful logic. You are "backing" up your stance with some awful logic here.

Let's let everyone who has a drivers license have a pilots license too.

(11-14-2015 06:25 PM)ChuckNorris Wrote:  

(11-14-2015 06:21 PM)rtletterman Wrote:  

(11-14-2015 06:17 PM)ChuckNorris Wrote:  

(11-14-2015 06:15 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  The solution is so obvious.

Declare Paris a gun free zone, and declare public spaces where large numbers of people congregate as "safe spaces."

Bingo

No no no, we need a society where everyone is armed, no worries about trainning, whether they're adept, capable, or even know enough to recognize a threat and be accurate with a gun.

Arm everyone? My god that is some awful logic. You are "backing" up your stance with some awful logic here.

Let's let everyone who has a drivers license have a pilots license too.

Any moron with a few bucks and some time can get a pilots license.

(11-14-2015 06:23 PM)ChuckNorris Wrote:  And I highly doubt you've ever fired a handgun in your life. You have zero idea what you are talking about here. Go take your weak sh*t back to the football board.

Want to wager on that one troll boy?

(11-14-2015 06:25 PM)rtletterman Wrote:  

(11-14-2015 06:20 PM)ChuckNorris Wrote:  

(11-14-2015 06:18 PM)rtletterman Wrote:  

(11-14-2015 06:12 PM)ChuckNorris Wrote:  And yes, a .388, 44 etc can be an extremely deadly weapon. Talk about conjecture.

Sure, against someone with NONE. Not an AK47 and grendades. You're an idiot no matter what you discuss, troll boy.

So the positioning of those terrorists with AK47's and those civilians with handguns is always straightened out before hand? You argue for arguments sake, and you make yourself look like a fool.

Positioning? Are you serious? They're militants with training. They were coordinated and tactical. An average civilian "packing" would have been toast. You watch too many Hollywood movies.

I see what an idiot I'm dealing with here, no matter who you really are behind that second id, you're dated logic is a determint, not a help.

Again, you've got no training with handguns. You obviously don't know what you are talking about and are going to use faulty logic to try and back it up.

(11-14-2015 06:28 PM)ChuckNorris Wrote:  

(11-14-2015 06:25 PM)rtletterman Wrote:  

(11-14-2015 06:20 PM)ChuckNorris Wrote:  

(11-14-2015 06:18 PM)rtletterman Wrote:  

(11-14-2015 06:12 PM)ChuckNorris Wrote:  And yes, a .388, 44 etc can be an extremely deadly weapon. Talk about conjecture.

Sure, against someone with NONE. Not an AK47 and grendades. You're an idiot no matter what you discuss, troll boy.

So the positioning of those terrorists with AK47's and those civilians with handguns is always straightened out before hand? You argue for arguments sake, and you make yourself look like a fool.

Positioning? Are you serious? They're militants with training. They were coordinated and tactical. An average civilian "packing" would have been toast. You watch too many Hollywood movies.

I see what an idiot I'm dealing with here, no matter who you really are behind that second id, you're dated logic is a determint, not a help.

Again, you've got no training with handguns. You obviously don't know what you are talking about and are going to use faulty logic to try and back it up.

Want to wager on that one too, troll boy?

(11-14-2015 06:27 PM)rtletterman Wrote:  

(11-14-2015 06:23 PM)ChuckNorris Wrote:  And I highly doubt you've ever fired a handgun in your life. You have zero idea what you are talking about here. Go take your weak sh*t back to the football board.

Want to wager on that one troll boy?

Your solution to this is a "bigger" police presence.

You've made yourself look like a big enough idiot tonight, you don't need any help from me. Have a good weekend.