(11-11-2015 02:35 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 02:32 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  uh, not at all what you wrote in your first post. If you said Jupiter curtails asteroids that may otherwise hit the earth then I wouldn't blink an eye but you said:

"Did you know if you removed Jupiter, all the other planets would just float out into space?

Jupiter holds the planets in orbit around the sun more than the sun does. "

and that's just not true.


Whether Jupiter was made of rock or gas it's gonna have the same effect on other planets. It would effect the gravitational force you'd feel standing on the planet but the further you got from the planet the more negligible it would be.

There is no need to get worked up over it.

The things I discussed are out there if you are interested in looking into them. Its not a JUST matter of which has more overall gravity, but a matter of how the different bodies react to each other due their relative positions with each other.

There is no way to prove the theory unless we remove Jupiter, and we can't do that. So its no big deal really.

It's crazy talk. The sun. The sun holds us in orbit end of story.

I'd be extremely interested in reading about Jupiter being the lynchpin that's holding the solar system together and would greatly appreciate it if you could point me in the right direction.

(11-11-2015 01:39 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  rouge?

Is that some celestial term I am unfamiliar with, or is it a spell-check error for rogue?

If it's a rouge planet, we should simply name it planet pink.

Donald does have kind of pink cheeks. Probably makeup, but nevertheless....

(11-11-2015 02:49 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  It's crazy talk. The sun. The sun holds us in orbit end of story.

I'd be extremely interested in reading about Jupiter being the lynchpin that's holding the solar system together and would greatly appreciate it if you could point me in the right direction.

It plays a huge role, yes. The largest by far because we orbit the sun.

But the sun isn't the only thing pulling on the earth, and the position of Jupiter DOES matter. That is how this comes into play. Jupiter plays a stabilizing role, keeping things together. The planets would leave their orbits without it. Not travel to another solar system, but float out deeper into space and totally lose their current orbits.

As I said, the theory is impossible to prove anyway. Research it a little, you will come across some scientists discussing it.

(11-11-2015 03:23 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 02:49 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  It's crazy talk. The sun. The sun holds us in orbit end of story.

I'd be extremely interested in reading about Jupiter being the lynchpin that's holding the solar system together and would greatly appreciate it if you could point me in the right direction.

It plays a huge role, yes. The largest by far because we orbit the sun.

But the sun isn't the only thing pulling on the earth, and the position of Jupiter DOES matter. That is how this comes into play.

As I said, the theory is impossible to prove anyway. Research it a little, you will come across some scientists discussing it.

Jupiter is equal to 0.0009546 the mass of the sun.

(11-11-2015 03:34 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 03:23 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  It plays a huge role, yes. The largest by far because we orbit the sun.

But the sun isn't the only thing pulling on the earth, and the position of Jupiter DOES matter. That is how this comes into play.

As I said, the theory is impossible to prove anyway. Research it a little, you will come across some scientists discussing it.

Jupiter is equal to 0.0009546 the mass of the sun.

Its 318 times the size of earth and has 67 moons too. Its almost twice the size of Saturn.

Its gravity is so massive, the planet is squeezed into an oval shape.

Jupiter is an amazing planet full of scientific wonders and contradictions. That's why Nasa has so many missions there. They often use Jupiter's gravity to slingshot probes further out.

(11-11-2015 03:39 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 03:34 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 03:23 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  It plays a huge role, yes. The largest by far because we orbit the sun.

But the sun isn't the only thing pulling on the earth, and the position of Jupiter DOES matter. That is how this comes into play.

As I said, the theory is impossible to prove anyway. Research it a little, you will come across some scientists discussing it.

Jupiter is equal to 0.0009546 the mass of the sun.

Its 318 times the size of earth and has 67 moons too. Its almost twice the size of Saturn.

Its gravity is so massive, the planet is squeezed into an oval shape.

Jupiter is also 410 million miles away. Look up Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation - It's pull on planet earth is negligible.

(11-11-2015 03:43 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  Jupiter is also 410 million miles away. Look up Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation - It's pull on planet earth is negligible.

Its further out than that at times. Its orbit varies a bit.

(11-11-2015 03:46 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 03:43 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  Jupiter is also 410 million miles away. Look up Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation - It's pull on planet earth is negligible.

Its further out than that at times. Its orbit varies a bit.

Great, at that point it'd have even less of a pull.

(11-11-2015 03:46 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 03:43 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  Jupiter is also 410 million miles away. Look up Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation - It's pull on planet earth is negligible.

Its further out than that at times. Its orbit varies a bit.

At it's closest it has a pull on earth equal to about 1/100th of the moon's

eric...smh

(11-11-2015 03:47 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 03:46 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 03:43 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  Jupiter is also 410 million miles away. Look up Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation - It's pull on planet earth is negligible.

Its further out than that at times. Its orbit varies a bit.

Great, at that point it'd have even less of a pull.

lol

What would be sweet is if they could discover another super Gas Giant like Jupiter or Saturn out there around this new planet. Its was theorized for many years, but we've never found one.

Often all they find are these small ice dwarfs.

Maybe they can send one of the probes already out there to this planet, since we have several out past Pluto now.

New Horizons was made to view a really dim planet like Pluto anyway. It seems to have worked REALLY well.

(11-11-2015 03:47 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 03:46 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 03:43 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  Jupiter is also 410 million miles away. Look up Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation - It's pull on planet earth is negligible.

Its further out than that at times. Its orbit varies a bit.

At it's closest it has a pull on earth equal to about 1/100th of the moon's

Would the earth fly out of orbit of the sun if Jupiter just disappeared? No.

Can the pull of Jupiter affect a spacecrafts trajectory to the moon? Yes. Which is why Nasa had to calculate trajectories to the moon with all of the inner planets gravitational pull accounted for.

A couple of other interesting tidbits abut Jupiter.

It is a giant planet with a mass one-thousandth that of the Sun, but two and a half times that of all the other planets in the Solar System combined. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jupiter

As we talked about, the gravity forces the planet to squeeze into an oval shape

Jupiter's magnetosphere is the largest and most powerful of any planetary magnetosphere in the Solar System, and by volume the largest known continuous structure in the Solar System after the heliosphere. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetosphere_of_Jupiter

The great red spot has been shrinking for decades. It much smaller than it was when the voyager probes took all those famous pics.

(11-11-2015 02:02 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 01:59 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 01:37 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Its 3 times further than Pluto.

All forms of matter near our sun are effected by its gravity.

Most of them are even effect by Jupiter's gravity.

Did you know if you removed Jupiter, all the other planets would just float out into space?

Jupiter holds the planets in orbit around the sun more than the sun does.

Wut?

I don't think that's true. Jupiter is big but compared to the sun it's small.

Size has nothing to do with its gravity.

I wouldn't go that far. I mean, there's a reason you aren't being pulled towards your desk (whatever you are next to) but instead being pulled towards the Earth. Point being the Earth is a a lot bigger than that desk, etc so it's gravitational force is stronger. I do agree that Jupiter helps keep the Earth safe from rouge space objects though.

(11-12-2015 08:55 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 02:02 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 01:59 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 01:37 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Its 3 times further than Pluto.

All forms of matter near our sun are effected by its gravity.

Most of them are even effect by Jupiter's gravity.

Did you know if you removed Jupiter, all the other planets would just float out into space?

Jupiter holds the planets in orbit around the sun more than the sun does.

Wut?

I don't think that's true. Jupiter is big but compared to the sun it's small.

Size has nothing to do with its gravity.

I wouldn't go that far. I mean, there's a reason you aren't being pulled towards your desk (whatever you are next to) but instead being pulled towards the Earth. Point being the Earth is a a lot bigger than that desk, etc so it's gravitational force is stronger. I do agree that Jupiter helps keep the Earth safe from rouge space objects though.

So you're saying that it's not the size that matters, but how you use it?

(11-11-2015 03:56 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  New Horizons was made to view a really dim planet like Pluto anyway. It seems to have worked REALLY well.

The Pluto probe is an interesting example of the evolution of science.

It is possible to calculate the position of Pluto in our night sky using only Newtonian/Lagrangian mechanics. When using a telescope to view Pluto, this is adequate and sufficient.

However to send a probe to Pluto, which requires a positional orbital calculation of a precision many magnitudes greater, the effects of General Relativity must be applied.

In other words, Newtonian/Lagrangian mechanics get us close but General Relativity gets us there.

(11-12-2015 12:52 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(11-12-2015 08:55 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 02:02 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 01:59 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 01:37 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Its 3 times further than Pluto.

All forms of matter near our sun are effected by its gravity.

Most of them are even effect by Jupiter's gravity.

Did you know if you removed Jupiter, all the other planets would just float out into space?

Jupiter holds the planets in orbit around the sun more than the sun does.

Wut?

I don't think that's true. Jupiter is big but compared to the sun it's small.

Size has nothing to do with its gravity.

I wouldn't go that far. I mean, there's a reason you aren't being pulled towards your desk (whatever you are next to) but instead being pulled towards the Earth. Point being the Earth is a a lot bigger than that desk, etc so it's gravitational force is stronger. I do agree that Jupiter helps keep the Earth safe from rouge space objects though.

So you're saying that it's not the size that matters, but how you use it?

Well played.

Just saying that when it comes to gravitational pull, size matters.

(11-12-2015 12:52 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(11-12-2015 08:55 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 02:02 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 01:59 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 01:37 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Its 3 times further than Pluto.

All forms of matter near our sun are effected by its gravity.

Most of them are even effect by Jupiter's gravity.

Did you know if you removed Jupiter, all the other planets would just float out into space?

Jupiter holds the planets in orbit around the sun more than the sun does.

Wut?

I don't think that's true. Jupiter is big but compared to the sun it's small.

Size has nothing to do with its gravity.

I wouldn't go that far. I mean, there's a reason you aren't being pulled towards your desk (whatever you are next to) but instead being pulled towards the Earth. Point being the Earth is a a lot bigger than that desk, etc so it's gravitational force is stronger. I do agree that Jupiter helps keep the Earth safe from rouge space objects though.

So you're saying that it's not the size that matters, but how you use it?

that's what 'sum' said

there are those that are so gape-ingly wide that one can only prey upon the heavens for relief

(11-11-2015 01:37 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 01:34 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 01:23 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  So, the idea that the space between solar systems is devoid of plane like objects may not be realistic?

Sci-Fi will have to change to catch up!

Technically still in the solar system if influenced at all by the suns gravity.

Its 3 times further than Pluto.

All forms of matter near our sun are effected by its gravity.

Most of them are even effect by Jupiter's gravity.

Did you know if you removed Jupiter, all the other planets would just float out into space?

Jupiter holds the planets in orbit around the sun more than the sun does.

Do you have anything to back this up? I found nothing in a quick google search.