(11-12-2015 12:44 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 08:56 PM)Leargh! Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 12:47 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(11-09-2015 04:25 PM)Leargh! Wrote:  Christians sure are sensitive about their Pagan symbols.

Except the issue is the removal of the words 'Merry Christmas' and not the removal of a symbol of say, a tree.

No. I do not see the words "Merry Christmas" on a single previous cup design. And even if so, since when does Starbucks owe us a Christmas Cup? I think it is a nice and festive way to acknowledge a season that is celebrated by Christians as well as many other religions. Talk about manufactured outrage...

As I implied, I think the term 'outrage' is also manufactured... Unfortunately 'outrage' sells and some lunatics pick up on 'whatever' and go nuts with it.... someone looking for their 5 minutes of youtube fame, or provoking a reaction that they can extract value from. The overwhelming number of people, including IMO the guy in the OP are merely suggesting a flexing of a group of consumers' buying power. SOME have called for boycotts and if that is what they want to do, they should be allowed to do it. That's entirely different from staging onsite protests etc etc. How is it any different than those who said 'don't buy from Wal-Mart' because they destroy American jobs, or they use sweat shops or they under-pay employees?

And they DON'T owe us a Christmas cup, but we also don't owe them our money. They made the cups as a means of marketing. If you liked them and they take it away, then you don't need to buy their coffee. 60+% of what you're paying for there is marketing.... not the product.

Quote:And as far as wishing someone "Merry Christmas" versus "Happy Kwanza" or whatever... Why would I wish someone a Merry Christmas when I know they don't celebrate it? Now, don't get me wrong... I also think it is ludicrous for someone to get mad or offended if they are wished a Merry Christmas, unless the wisher knows the wishee doesn't celebrate. I understand what you are saying, but I tend to agree, but in the opposite. I personally wish you and everyone else a happy holiday, whatever holiday they celebrate. If I know that to be Christmas, then I still MAY say happy holidays because, I also wish you a happy new year too.

(Edit to clarify, maybe, a little better) just so you know, I am trying to be argumentative, so hopefully this will express my opinion a little better... I don't believe in Santa Clause, but I tell my grand children that I hope Santa is good to them. I just don't think you have to believe in Christmas to want your Christian neighbor to enjoy their Christmas.

Agree with this and really all of it. I would never be offended by someone wishing me a happy 'something they believe strongly in' nor would I be against wishing it in return, because I know they value it, even if I don't. That's being polite. I'm really more talking about say a greeter at a store or a 'wish' to a mixed group of people or merely passing someone you don't really know and wishing them a Merry Christmas, Happy holidays (or anything else) and someone taking offense. That, too is IMO feigned outrage... How horrible that someone wished me 'well'. While people are certainly welcome to celebrate anything they want, or nothing at all, I just don't think 'separation of church and state' needs to require that you not be able to say Merry Christmas or Happy Hanukkah or whatever else. Displays, I get... that's money being spent. Words (especially platitudes) are generally free.

Frankly, while there is PLENTY not to like about Trump, I think he had a very reasonable response to it. Maybe you should boycott if that is what you want to do. It's your money and they want it. It's not like you can't get coffee elsewhere. If that means they close, then so be it. It's not that big a deal. Someone else will make a Christmas cup and you get what you want and they get your money.

(11-12-2015 12:44 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 08:56 PM)Leargh! Wrote:  

(11-11-2015 12:47 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(11-09-2015 04:25 PM)Leargh! Wrote:  Christians sure are sensitive about their Pagan symbols.

Except the issue is the removal of the words 'Merry Christmas' and not the removal of a symbol of say, a tree.

No. I do not see the words "Merry Christmas" on a single previous cup design. And even if so, since when does Starbucks owe us a Christmas Cup? I think it is a nice and festive way to acknowledge a season that is celebrated by Christians as well as many other religions. Talk about manufactured outrage...

As I implied, I think the term 'outrage' is also manufactured... Unfortunately 'outrage' sells and some lunatics pick up on 'whatever' and go nuts with it.... someone looking for their 5 minutes of youtube fame, or provoking a reaction that they can extract value from. The overwhelming number of people, including IMO the guy in the OP are merely suggesting a flexing of a group of consumers' buying power. SOME have called for boycotts and if that is what they want to do, they should be allowed to do it. That's entirely different from staging onsite protests etc etc. How is it any different than those who said 'don't buy from Wal-Mart' because they destroy American jobs, or they use sweat shops or they under-pay employees?

And they DON'T owe us a Christmas cup, but we also don't owe them our money. They made the cups as a means of marketing. If you liked them and they take it away, then you don't need to buy their coffee. 60+% of what you're paying for there is marketing.... not the product.

Quote:And as far as wishing someone "Merry Christmas" versus "Happy Kwanza" or whatever... Why would I wish someone a Merry Christmas when I know they don't celebrate it? Now, don't get me wrong... I also think it is ludicrous for someone to get mad or offended if they are wished a Merry Christmas, unless the wisher knows the wishee doesn't celebrate. I understand what you are saying, but I tend to agree, but in the opposite. I personally wish you and everyone else a happy holiday, whatever holiday they celebrate. If I know that to be Christmas, then I still MAY say happy holidays because, I also wish you a happy new year too.

(Edit to clarify, maybe, a little better) just so you know, I am trying to be argumentative, so hopefully this will express my opinion a little better... I don't believe in Santa Clause, but I tell my grand children that I hope Santa is good to them. I just don't think you have to believe in Christmas to want your Christian neighbor to enjoy their Christmas.

Agree with this and really all of it. I would never be offended by someone wishing me a happy 'something they believe strongly in' nor would I be against wishing it in return, because I know they value it, even if I don't. That's being polite. I'm really more talking about say a greeter at a store or a 'wish' to a mixed group of people or merely passing someone you don't really know and wishing them a Merry Christmas, Happy holidays (or anything else) and someone taking offense. That, too is IMO feigned outrage... How horrible that someone wished me 'well'. While people are certainly welcome to celebrate anything they want, or nothing at all, I just don't think 'separation of church and state' needs to require that you not be able to say Merry Christmas or Happy Hanukkah or whatever else. Displays, I get... that's money being spent. Words (especially platitudes) are generally free.

Frankly, while there is PLENTY not to like about Trump, I think he had a very reasonable response to it. Maybe you should boycott if that is what you want to do. It's your money and they want it. It's not like you can't get coffee elsewhere. If that means they close, then so be it. It's not that big a deal. Someone else will make a Christmas cup and you get what you want and they get your money.

you worded line 3 of sig to death

Kevin James doppleganger. Prostrating himself for attention. Nothing but an attention monger who can't live without it.

If Starbucks policy keeps nutjobs like him out of the store, all the better for me

(11-10-2015 03:52 PM)ken d Wrote:  I find it hilarious that Donald Trump, of all people, suggested Republicans should boycott Starbucks over this. Way to pander, Donald! And you did it with a straight face, too.

Attention hounds all howling at the moon

(11-11-2015 10:14 AM)Lush Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 04:01 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(11-10-2015 03:58 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Sheesh, everyone knows that most of people that buy at Starbucks are Libs so why would this guy come up with his "suggestion". Personally, I think only fools pay 5 bucks or more for a cup of coffee and you can see who their clientele is.

In two words: Who Cares.

Libs go to independent coffee shops

conservatives hate mom and pops?

They buy all they need at Wal Mart cus it's all made in Amurika