Some beliefs make it easier for you to become President while other beliefs make it impossible for you to become President. It is my position that everyone holding the belief that Dr. Carson is a proponent of, makes them ineligible to hold a higher office in a general election. I get why you believe that way. There is a considerable segment of people who are pro life that share that belief. How ever they probably make up about 16-24%% of our electorate. You can not win an election where 16-24 % agree with you. It's impossible. You can not win holding that belief in a general election on such a hot topic. It ranks right up there with the 2nd amendment guys. It's as toxic of label as a gun grabber label. I would even say it's worse. You can find more than 16-24% of people who want to grab guns.

Here's a link from 2012. http://www.livescience.com/22654-america...rtion.html

(10-26-2015 09:25 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  We just had this discussion in RCIA classes where they expect you to talk about your beliefs. It goes to the core of my beliefs. I can not, will not, and shall not inflict my beliefs upon others. I will not use the force of govt. as a tool to impose my views upon others. We live in a secular society. Is it my right to impose my views upon others? What's the old saying my right to throw a punch ends at the bridge of another's nose. This issue screams that to me. My family's sponsor is an ardent pro life guy. We have had many discussions over it. He loves me as I love him. btw he's a Rubio guy. Only way he sees the GOP getting out of the forest. Big immigration guy too.

People's beliefs and the repercussions of such are imposed on the population of the United States all the time. Literally all the time. By one dude with way too much power, 535 bought and paid for millionaires, and 9 old judges.

If the government serves any purpose whatsoever, shouldn't be safeguarding the lives of the innocent and defenseless be included in that purpose?

This isn't an issue of imposition, it's an issue of basic morality. You know it's wrong. Most people know it's wrong. Just as other violations of basic morality are wrong like theft, rape, and the like.

Republicans will not vote for Carson in huge numbers because he is a minority.

You can believe it. You can hold that conviction you just can't say it. Done. Toast. End of campaign.


Next will be one of these guys to go off on a legitimate rape or incest angle. It's absolutely toxic to the middle and I don't understand how the GOP puts up with it. It has cost them countless elections on the national stage.

The GOP primary season is manna from heaven to a D operative. They have to be salivating before every debate and I "get" how the people who believe this call the establishment GOP lite. What do you do when your base goes so far off the reservation where it leaves you unelectable? Reince going to have another autopsy to tell him to lay off the social issues and immigration? The base is so out of touch with the main stream. I just smh.

I just looked at that poll. 53% of white Catholics think abortion should be illegal. 70% of protestants.

(10-26-2015 10:31 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Some beliefs make it easier for you to become President while other beliefs make it impossible for you to become President. It is my position that everyone holding the belief that Dr. Carson is a proponent of, makes them ineligible to hold a higher office in a general election.

unelectable? perhaps and that is debatable. ** INELIGIBLE ** I hope that was just hyperbole on your part.

Quote:I get why you believe that way. There is a considerable segment of people who are pro life that share that belief.

I did not ask you to believe what I believe Mach I have not brought up God or the core of my beliefs. I merely asked two related questions..

1 - *IF* you believed life began at conception how would your view differ from Carson?

2 - How can you square your stated beleif with *ANY* regulation of when abortion is or is not ok (e.g. abortion on demand up to birth)

The thrust of what Carson said is that someone born of rape is no less of a person than someone born of a loving relationship. To say that you can be pro life and elected but you can't believe that an unborn child of rape has equal value to the unborn child of love is Orwellian double think at it's finest.

(10-26-2015 10:37 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Republicans will not vote for Carson in huge numbers because he is a minority.

Right that's why he is close to taking the lead in the GOP field. Get this through your head. The GOP does not see skin color in everything the social justice warriors on the left do.

(10-26-2015 10:56 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(10-26-2015 10:37 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Republicans will not vote for Carson in huge numbers because he is a minority.

Right that's why he is close to taking the lead in the GOP field. Get this through your head. The GOP does not see skin color in everything the social justice warriors on the left do.

Yeah right. Then why did they say that Obama only got elected because he was black?

(10-26-2015 10:58 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(10-26-2015 10:56 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(10-26-2015 10:37 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Republicans will not vote for Carson in huge numbers because he is a minority.

Right that's why he is close to taking the lead in the GOP field. Get this through your head. The GOP does not see skin color in everything the social justice warriors on the left do.

Yeah right. Then why did they say that Obama only got elected because he was black?

I'm not going to walk down Non sequitur lane with you here. Your comment has nothing to do with whether or not Republicans would vote for an AA who held conservative positions.

Try harder..

(10-26-2015 10:47 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I just looked at that poll. 53% of white Catholics think abortion should be illegal. 70% of protestants.

Don't know what poll you're referring to, but the Catholic Church is one of the most vocal pro-life organizations in existence. Catholics talk about it. Not only vocal, but as far as the support of pro-life women's health centers, post-abortion counseling, etc.

My experience in Protestant services is that they are pro-life, but I've never heard it once mentioned or discussed in any fashion. I wish they would though.

(10-26-2015 10:37 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Republicans will not vote for Carson in huge numbers because he is a minority.

That's not true.

Republicans have proven in many places (including South Carolina) that they will enthusiastically support a Black candidate that constantly attacks the mainstream Black community and enjoys virtually no support from the mainstream Black community.

Republicans will look past Carson's race.

Its the race of those supporting the candidate that appears to be causing the issue now.

Baby steps.

(10-26-2015 11:16 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(10-26-2015 10:37 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Republicans will not vote for Carson in huge numbers because he is a minority.

That's not true.

Republicans have proven in many places (including South Carolina) that they will enthusiastically support a Black candidate that constantly attacks the mainstream Black community and enjoys virtually no support from the mainstream Black community.

Translation... My way is the one true way for African Americans and damn any uppity African American who believes that their community might be better off on a different path.

Because he is a social justice warrior and they are the fascist vanguard of the 21st century.

Democrats hate Carson because if he's the nominee they can't play the race card anymore.

Every poll shows the GOP does better when they advocate for the government to stay out of people's personal lives.

(10-26-2015 12:06 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  Democrats hate Carson because if he's the nominee they can't play the race card anymore.

Carson and Trump are both just straight up un-electable.

(10-26-2015 12:56 PM)Hitch Wrote:  

(10-26-2015 12:06 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  Democrats hate Carson because if he's the nominee they can't play the race card anymore.

Carson and Trump are both just straight up un-electable.

The whole field, Republican and Democrat, is unelectable by most standards.

You can go through them one by one and come up with at least one reason why there is no way in hell they could win.

But, when everybody is poor nobody is poor.

(10-26-2015 12:56 PM)Hitch Wrote:  

(10-26-2015 12:06 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  Democrats hate Carson because if he's the nominee they can't play the race card anymore.

Carson and Trump are both just straight up un-electable.

Indeed.

But then again, so were Mitt Romney and John McCain.

(10-26-2015 01:13 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(10-26-2015 12:56 PM)Hitch Wrote:  

(10-26-2015 12:06 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  Democrats hate Carson because if he's the nominee they can't play the race card anymore.

Carson and Trump are both just straight up un-electable.

Indeed.

But then again, so were Mitt Romney and John McCain.

Yeah they didn't get elected.

In my lifetime, I've only seen the GOP presidential candidate win the popular vote once.