(10-23-2015 01:50 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 01:42 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 01:36 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(10-22-2015 10:06 PM)EagleNationRising Wrote:  

(10-22-2015 10:01 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  I'm not expecting us to get mid-round draft picks. I do expect us to at least get the same caliber player that we consistently get while playing in the FCS and running an offense where we throw even less than we do now. I have followed Georgia Southern football since the late 90s and I can't remember ever having this much of a problem at that position.

I'm hoping that some of those "studs" that we redshirted this season live up to the hype next year as receivers.

One thing to realize is that with the exception of the really young players in the WR corps, the guys on the field are JUCO's that Fritz brought in to address the gap we had on the roster at WR. Monken brought in Crockett, Johnson, Showers, Walker and just kinda gave up on WR's it seems. We've had a massive dropoff losing those guys cause we don't have anyone ready to take over with game experience.

We have some guys redshirting right now that should be pretty talented and a bit more physical as well. It's kind of wasted at this point to worry about burning their redshirts though. We should see WR play improve as the guys we've recruited recently start getting more experience.

Even with wide receivers, the play calling on pass plays was dismal. Deep routes knowing that Ellison is going to lock on and your offensive line couldn't block Blair or Stringer is just bad coaching.

Well, our OL was confused by the looks I think. There was way too many defenders coming in and everything was clogged up. Hell, on a couple of plays ya'll had 10 guys in the box it appeared. It was insane.

Yes, I agree we need a more consistent QB. I've said as much on our board in the past.

Ellison is your offense. Unless you get a top notch player who plays at Breida's level but at a different position, Ellison is as good as you need. You waited to pass until obvious situations, tried the cliche deep pass every time it wasn't an obvious down, and couldn't pass block when you needed to. That all leads to a poor passing attack which once again is on the coaches.

(10-23-2015 01:57 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 01:50 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 01:42 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 01:36 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(10-22-2015 10:06 PM)EagleNationRising Wrote:  I'm hoping that some of those "studs" that we redshirted this season live up to the hype next year as receivers.

One thing to realize is that with the exception of the really young players in the WR corps, the guys on the field are JUCO's that Fritz brought in to address the gap we had on the roster at WR. Monken brought in Crockett, Johnson, Showers, Walker and just kinda gave up on WR's it seems. We've had a massive dropoff losing those guys cause we don't have anyone ready to take over with game experience.

We have some guys redshirting right now that should be pretty talented and a bit more physical as well. It's kind of wasted at this point to worry about burning their redshirts though. We should see WR play improve as the guys we've recruited recently start getting more experience.

Even with wide receivers, the play calling on pass plays was dismal. Deep routes knowing that Ellison is going to lock on and your offensive line couldn't block Blair or Stringer is just bad coaching.

Well, our OL was confused by the looks I think. There was way too many defenders coming in and everything was clogged up. Hell, on a couple of plays ya'll had 10 guys in the box it appeared. It was insane.

Yes, I agree we need a more consistent QB. I've said as much on our board in the past.

Ellison is your offense. Unless you get a top notch player who plays at Breida's level but at a different position, Ellison is as good as you need. You waited to pass until obvious situations, tried the cliche deep pass every time it wasn't an obvious down, and couldn't pass block when you needed to. That all leads to a poor passing attack which once again is on the coaches.

Those deep passes early would have changed your attack if they were executed properly. You're looking at 7 points (possibly 14) there that would be quick strikes. Then you couldn't just load up on our rushing attack or you run the risk of us doing it more. Ya'll gave up any respect for our passing game except in the most obvious of passing downs, and then leaned on our weakest area in the OL (pass pro).

We need a QB that's a legit dual threat. He needs to be a threat to run and he needs to be a threat to pass. A QB that can throw well can insulate OL issues to some degree if he can make quick strikes before defensive pressure has a chance to impact the play.

Ellison spent 2 years under Monken's staff, where they were more interested in how well he could run the ball. His development as a QB suffered. Then in 2013, he shredded his shoulder and he played through it. Last year his shoulder was aggravated, and you can see how the production dropped off from the beginning of the season. I think we've seen the best of what Ellison will give us, unfortunately he's playing more like an RB filling in for a QB. We still need a real QB.

(10-23-2015 02:07 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 01:57 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 01:50 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 01:42 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 01:36 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  One thing to realize is that with the exception of the really young players in the WR corps, the guys on the field are JUCO's that Fritz brought in to address the gap we had on the roster at WR. Monken brought in Crockett, Johnson, Showers, Walker and just kinda gave up on WR's it seems. We've had a massive dropoff losing those guys cause we don't have anyone ready to take over with game experience.

We have some guys redshirting right now that should be pretty talented and a bit more physical as well. It's kind of wasted at this point to worry about burning their redshirts though. We should see WR play improve as the guys we've recruited recently start getting more experience.

Even with wide receivers, the play calling on pass plays was dismal. Deep routes knowing that Ellison is going to lock on and your offensive line couldn't block Blair or Stringer is just bad coaching.

Well, our OL was confused by the looks I think. There was way too many defenders coming in and everything was clogged up. Hell, on a couple of plays ya'll had 10 guys in the box it appeared. It was insane.

Yes, I agree we need a more consistent QB. I've said as much on our board in the past.

Ellison is your offense. Unless you get a top notch player who plays at Breida's level but at a different position, Ellison is as good as you need. You waited to pass until obvious situations, tried the cliche deep pass every time it wasn't an obvious down, and couldn't pass block when you needed to. That all leads to a poor passing attack which once again is on the coaches.

Those deep passes early would have changed your attack if they were executed properly. You're looking at 7 points (possibly 14) there that would be quick strikes. Then you couldn't just load up on our rushing attack or you run the risk of us doing it more. Ya'll gave up any respect for our passing game except in the most obvious of passing downs, and then leaned on our weakest area in the OL (pass pro).

We need a QB that's a legit dual threat. He needs to be a threat to run and he needs to be a threat to pass. A QB that can throw well can insulate OL issues to some degree if he can make quick strikes before defensive pressure has a chance to impact the play.

Ellison spent 2 years under Monken's staff, where they were more interested in how well he could run the ball. His development as a QB suffered. Then in 2013, he shredded his shoulder and he played through it. Last year his shoulder was aggravated, and you can see how the production dropped off from the beginning of the season. I think we've seen the best of what Ellison will give us, unfortunately he's playing more like an RB filling in for a QB. We still need a real QB.

I still think the issue is play calling.

(10-23-2015 09:06 AM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  

(10-22-2015 08:48 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  

(10-22-2015 08:45 PM)stAteNation Wrote:  

(10-22-2015 08:36 PM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  

(10-22-2015 08:30 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Yes. It's a yellowish hue, and sound is poor.

Ok. Good. Someone else is seeing a yellow tint

It looks like those outdoor bug lights.

Going back and forth to Cal - UCLA is making it look worse.

I wasn't there. So someone could definitely say I am nuts on this, but I think it was last year, maybe the GS/App Game, where ESPN asked them to bring in additional lights. If they did that in Boone, they could have got some of those night skiing lights which are off white. Which in HD and not bouncing off white snow could look yellow. Just a thought. But I thought the Rock represented the Sun Belt well on national TV just as Paulson did last year. Nicely done App.

You are nuts! Just kidding. When the new Athletics Center was built it was equipped with LED light towers to support Hi Def broadcasting. It is anything but dark in KBS.

(10-23-2015 09:16 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 09:00 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 07:58 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  App and GS took different approaches to redshirting. After App's bad start last year I understand they played a lot of talented players that are now experienced players. We have just about redshirted everyone the past couple of years. It will be interesting to see how it plays out over the next couple of years. One major problem is I think we are afraid to play freshman WRs because they are not physical enough to block. Hopefully they will be ready next year.

Scott built this team with an eye on the future not immediate satifsfaction.

2013: 17 freshmen signed 2 played / 1 juco signed - did not play
2104: 26 freshmen signed 8 played / 2 juco's signed 1 played
2015: 18 freshmen signed 4 have played so far / 4 juco's signed 3 have played

How many RS FR and Sophmores played significant roles last night?

Starters
Offense
RG Colby Gossett RS Soph
RT Beau Nunn - True Soph
WR Shaedon Meadors - True Soph
QB Taylor Lamb - RS Soph

Defense
ILB Eric Boggs - True Soph
OLB Devan Stringer - True Soph
CB Latrell Gibbs - True Soph

Played significant minutes
True Soph
WR Ike Lewis
DB AJ Howard

RS Fr
WR Deltron Hopkins
WR Jaylan Barbour
WR Mykelti Armstrong - ST
RB Josh Boyd - ST
RB Jaylin Moore
DB Junior Sigalo - ST
ILB Teh'Ron Fuller - ST
OLB Okon Godwin - ST
DL Myquon Stout

True Freshmen
DB Tae Hayes - ST
DB Josh Thomas - ST
ILB Anthony Flory
OL Victor Johnson
LS Elias McMurry

(10-23-2015 09:08 AM)Scrotumus Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 09:00 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 07:58 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  App and GS took different approaches to redshirting. After App's bad start last year I understand they played a lot of talented players that are now experienced players. We have just about redshirted everyone the past couple of years. It will be interesting to see how it plays out over the next couple of years. One major problem is I think we are afraid to play freshman WRs because they are not physical enough to block. Hopefully they will be ready next year.

Scott built this team with an eye on the future not immediate satifsfaction.

2013: 17 freshmen signed 2 played / 1 juco signed - did not play
2104: 26 freshmen signed 8 played / 2 juco's signed 1 played
2015: 18 freshmen signed 4 have played so far / 4 juco's signed 3 have played

That's good program building if you can redshirt all those kids. It basically makes your program one year older and builds experienced depth, both of which are huge.

I remember reading your board after the GS game last year and shaking my head at all the calls for Satterfield to be let go. How short sighted and stupid... he is doing it the right way and you guys are reaping and enjoying the results.

The folks calling for Satterfield's head were nuts. The guy had ALL KINDS of issues to deal with in the wake of the Jerry Moore fiasco. 2013 was a nightmare. Some upper classmen loyal to JM instead of Applachian divided the locker room. Scott was bringing in more talented players and after getting smoked by South Alabama he made wholesale changes and six first year players started against Liberty. That number grew to 10 the next week against Troy with 7 more playing significant minutes. As Paul Harvey would say, now you know the rest of the story.

What is the throwing the arm in the air thing all the App players are doing now? Is that meant to be a "bowling" thing or what?

I'm not sure about the throwing the arm in the air thing, but the flapping the arms thing is a reference to 8 Seconds.

(10-22-2015 08:58 PM)slycat Wrote:  App still hasn't played anyone....


....am I the first to say it

Does Clemson not count in your book?

(10-23-2015 06:09 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  The folks calling for Satterfield's head were nuts. The guy had ALL KINDS of issues to deal with in the wake of the Jerry Moore fiasco. 2013 was a nightmare. Some upper classmen loyal to JM instead of Applachian divided the locker room. Scott was bringing in more talented players and after getting smoked by South Alabama he made wholesale changes and six first year players started against Liberty. That number grew to 10 the next week against Troy with 7 more playing significant minutes. As Paul Harvey would say, now you know the rest of the story.

DG those people are eating crow right now. It doesn't (or didn't) take a rocket scientist to figure out they were sore about Coach Moore, wanted us to stay in the SoVon and keep playing reams like Western Carolina, VMI and Furman.

It was clear to me in SS's first few years that the focus was on building the program to THIS season and onward. It doesn't matter what we did the past 2-3 years there was nothing other than pride to play for and playing to build a competitive top-level program. This season is our FIRST authentic risk/reward FBS season. That's where the focus was and it is showing. Next year should be something special too.

(10-23-2015 05:32 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 09:16 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 09:00 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 07:58 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  App and GS took different approaches to redshirting. After App's bad start last year I understand they played a lot of talented players that are now experienced players. We have just about redshirted everyone the past couple of years. It will be interesting to see how it plays out over the next couple of years. One major problem is I think we are afraid to play freshman WRs because they are not physical enough to block. Hopefully they will be ready next year.

Scott built this team with an eye on the future not immediate satifsfaction.

2013: 17 freshmen signed 2 played / 1 juco signed - did not play
2104: 26 freshmen signed 8 played / 2 juco's signed 1 played
2015: 18 freshmen signed 4 have played so far / 4 juco's signed 3 have played

How many RS FR and Sophmores played significant roles last night?

Starters
Offense
RG Colby Gossett RS Soph
RT Beau Nunn - True Soph
WR Shaedon Meadors - True Soph
QB Taylor Lamb - RS Soph

Defense
ILB Eric Boggs - True Soph
OLB Devan Stringer - True Soph
CB Latrell Gibbs - True Soph

Played significant minutes
True Soph
WR Ike Lewis
DB AJ Howard

RS Fr
WR Deltron Hopkins
WR Jaylan Barbour
WR Mykelti Armstrong - ST
RB Josh Boyd - ST
RB Jaylin Moore
DB Junior Sigalo - ST
ILB Teh'Ron Fuller - ST
OLB Okon Godwin - ST
DL Myquon Stout

True Freshmen
DB Tae Hayes - ST
DB Josh Thomas - ST
ILB Anthony Flory
OL Victor Johnson
LS Elias McMurry

Interesting as that is much different than our makeup. App's struggles early last year at have allowed you to play talented young players over those having seniority. Since we won last year, it would have been difficult to bench upperclassman.

When Scott took over and the FBS move announced 3 months later, it was about building to 2015. He didn't say it publicly, but it was well known the core had been rotten for a while and he had a project ahead. It was tough at times, especially after Liberty, but I always thought Scott could turn it around just because of the recruiting classes he was bringing in.

They had pictures of For Sale signs in the yard, etc. It was sickening. This is really the first season he should be judged on.

(10-23-2015 07:55 PM)AppAttack Wrote:  This is really the first season he should be judged on.

Exactly, everything from the announcement until this year has been prep work.

Congrats Ap State. You guys are in the driver seat now for sure

(10-23-2015 07:03 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  What is the throwing the arm in the air thing all the App players are doing now? Is that meant to be a "bowling" thing or what?

Don't know what its all about, but ILB John Law started doing it last season.

Congratulations Apps, I certainly had hoped that we would give y'all a better game, but you left no doubt. At this point I very much agree with a friend's statement shortly after the game, we're real glad that there are no more Mountaineers on our schedule this year!

Good luck the rest of way.

On a side note, I sure hope that Chiefsfan's bowl predictions on page 20 are correct.

(10-23-2015 07:44 PM)T-Dog Wrote:  When Scott took over and the FBS move announced 3 months later, it was about building to 2015. He didn't say it publicly, but it was well known the core had been rotten for a while and he had a project ahead. It was tough at times, especially after Liberty, but I always thought Scott could turn it around just because of the recruiting classes he was bringing in.

Good observation... even from our vantage point as a rival your offensive line in particular had been "under" recruited,

The fact that the two programs are in competition for so many of the same recruits means they are both doing it right.

(10-23-2015 07:43 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 05:32 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 09:16 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 09:00 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 07:58 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  App and GS took different approaches to redshirting. After App's bad start last year I understand they played a lot of talented players that are now experienced players. We have just about redshirted everyone the past couple of years. It will be interesting to see how it plays out over the next couple of years. One major problem is I think we are afraid to play freshman WRs because they are not physical enough to block. Hopefully they will be ready next year.

Scott built this team with an eye on the future not immediate satifsfaction.

2013: 17 freshmen signed 2 played / 1 juco signed - did not play
2104: 26 freshmen signed 8 played / 2 juco's signed 1 played
2015: 18 freshmen signed 4 have played so far / 4 juco's signed 3 have played

How many RS FR and Sophmores played significant roles last night?

Starters
Offense
RG Colby Gossett RS Soph
RT Beau Nunn - True Soph
WR Shaedon Meadors - True Soph
QB Taylor Lamb - RS Soph

Defense
ILB Eric Boggs - True Soph
OLB Devan Stringer - True Soph
CB Latrell Gibbs - True Soph

Played significant minutes
True Soph
WR Ike Lewis
DB AJ Howard

RS Fr
WR Deltron Hopkins
WR Jaylan Barbour
WR Mykelti Armstrong - ST
RB Josh Boyd - ST
RB Jaylin Moore
DB Junior Sigalo - ST
ILB Teh'Ron Fuller - ST
OLB Okon Godwin - ST
DL Myquon Stout

True Freshmen
DB Tae Hayes - ST
DB Josh Thomas - ST
ILB Anthony Flory
OL Victor Johnson
LS Elias McMurry

Interesting as that is much different than our makeup. App's struggles early last year at have allowed you to play talented young players over those having seniority. Since we won last year, it would have been difficult to bench upperclassman.

The great thing in playing all those young guys last year is it put App in great shape for the next two years. We only lose 7 starters. Of the two players on defense, DE Blair and DB Middleton, Blair is an NFL prospect and will be a huge hole to fill. On offense we lose two year starter at center, OT, and 3 WR's. It can be argued the replacments at WR have more talent than the guys graduating, but replacing those guys on the OL concerns me as we have young, unproven players behind them.