(10-23-2015 04:36 PM)lance99 Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 03:29 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  Your options are MAC and SBC now that UAB is bringing back football in CUSA.

From what i seen, JMU thinks that it is better than the SBC and the MAC seems to have no interest as a full member because of no traver partner(Deleware not wanting to move up and Liberty is a Non-Starter).

You really think that's the reason? I think if the MAC wanted to expand they'd find someone else to go with JMU. They aren't that far out of the footprint, especially with so many Ohio teams. I think the reason is we already have 12 teams and any more just dilutes the small amount of revenue the MAC gets.

(10-23-2015 06:06 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 04:36 PM)lance99 Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 03:29 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  Your options are MAC and SBC now that UAB is bringing back football in CUSA.

From what i seen, JMU thinks that it is better than the SBC and the MAC seems to have no interest as a full member because of no traver partner(Deleware not wanting to move up and Liberty is a Non-Starter).

You really think that's the reason? I think if the MAC wanted to expand they'd find someone else to go with JMU. They aren't that far out of the footprint, especially with so many Ohio teams. I think the reason is we already have 12 teams and any more just dilutes the small amount of revenue the MAC gets.

If Delaware doesn't want the mAC, Stony Brook would be a match for JMU and the MAC.

But the MAC knows it will be burned by east coast schools so would likely take Ill St and Ind St if any opening occur, because they won't have eyes elsewhere.

(10-23-2015 06:17 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 06:06 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 04:36 PM)lance99 Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 03:29 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  Your options are MAC and SBC now that UAB is bringing back football in CUSA.

From what i seen, JMU thinks that it is better than the SBC and the MAC seems to have no interest as a full member because of no traver partner(Deleware not wanting to move up and Liberty is a Non-Starter).

You really think that's the reason? I think if the MAC wanted to expand they'd find someone else to go with JMU. They aren't that far out of the footprint, especially with so many Ohio teams. I think the reason is we already have 12 teams and any more just dilutes the small amount of revenue the MAC gets.

If Delaware doesn't want the mAC, Stony Brook would be a match for JMU and the MAC.

But the MAC knows it will be burned by east coast schools so would likely take Ill St and Ind St if any opening occur, because they won't have eyes elsewhere.

That's very possible. I'm biased, being an outlier on the western end of the conference, but I'd rather grab a western team along with JMU. One for each division, if the MAC was going to expand.

(10-23-2015 06:20 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  That's very possible. I'm biased, being an outlier on the western end of the conference, but I'd rather grab a western team along with JMU. One for each division, if the MAC was going to expand.

But if the MAC expands with Bowling Green and Toledo are in different divisions, they have to be locked, and games against Bowling Green by western schools and Toledo by eastern schools become even rarer than at present.

This'd be part of why the last expansion was with Temple and UMass in the east (though in the event, Temple left the season before UMass could start) ... to put two Ohio schools in the Western division, and not have any locked cross-division games.

Also it is hard to find western schools that really help, without being too small, or too far outside the foot print in areas with very small populations. If Wisconsin had a school that made sense then going west would be a lot easier I think.

(10-23-2015 08:50 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  Also it is hard to find western schools that really help, without being too small, or too far outside the foot print in areas with very small populations. If Wisconsin had a school that made sense then going west would be a lot easier I think.

Southern Illinois and Illinois State send their regards. Personally I think the MAC should have invited Missouri State as a football affiliate with an arrangement similar to UMass - perhaps it gets the Bears' stadium upgrade underway a little bit sooner. For syndication purposes the conference then has a footprint that stretches from Oklahoma to New Hampshire.

(10-23-2015 06:06 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 04:36 PM)lance99 Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 03:29 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  Your options are MAC and SBC now that UAB is bringing back football in CUSA.

From what i seen, JMU thinks that it is better than the SBC and the MAC seems to have no interest as a full member because of no traver partner(Deleware not wanting to move up and Liberty is a Non-Starter).

You really think that's the reason? I think if the MAC wanted to expand they'd find someone else to go with JMU. They aren't that far out of the footprint, especially with so many Ohio teams. I think the reason is we already have 12 teams and any more just dilutes the small amount of revenue the MAC gets.

I am in way saying they'd take you/offer you but those would be the only two conferences that could arguably want someone. CUSA is full. JMU to the MWC? LOL, NO.

(10-23-2015 10:17 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 08:50 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  Also it is hard to find western schools that really help, without being too small, or too far outside the foot print in areas with very small populations. If Wisconsin had a school that made sense then going west would be a lot easier I think.

Southern Illinois and Illinois State send their regards. Personally I think the MAC should have invited Missouri State as a football affiliate with an arrangement similar to UMass - perhaps it gets the Bears' stadium upgrade underway a little bit sooner. For syndication purposes the conference then has a footprint that stretches from Oklahoma to New Hampshire.

Southern Illinois and Illinois State are not worth expanding for. Missouri State is better for the Sun Belt unless there was another school in the area worth taking.

Seriously if you were going to post schools out there you could at least post Northern Iowa which at least has tradition of good teams and brings in a new state that is not far from NIU (though it also continue to give NIU fans fits of being confused with UNI). However I do not think they are a good fit for FBS and are slightly smaller than your typical MAC level institution and they are in a small population state with two FBS programs in it already.

(10-23-2015 08:50 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  Also it is hard to find western schools that really help, without being too small, or too far outside the foot print in areas with very small populations. If Wisconsin had a school that made sense then going west would be a lot easier I think.

Wisconsin-Milwaukee said they would look into re-starting their football program. They are really fit into the MAC in a way. They could be in the MAC like South Alabama was before they added football. Build the program in the FCS as an independent. Same could be said for Mankato State or Minn.-Deluth where they can be in FCS building up their football program, and join the MAC with all sports. North Dakota State is on the border with Minnesota, and really not that far from Northern Iowa in terms.

(10-23-2015 10:24 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 10:17 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 08:50 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  Also it is hard to find western schools that really help, without being too small, or too far outside the foot print in areas with very small populations. If Wisconsin had a school that made sense then going west would be a lot easier I think.

Southern Illinois and Illinois State send their regards. Personally I think the MAC should have invited Missouri State as a football affiliate with an arrangement similar to UMass - perhaps it gets the Bears' stadium upgrade underway a little bit sooner. For syndication purposes the conference then has a footprint that stretches from Oklahoma to New Hampshire.

Southern Illinois and Illinois State are not worth expanding for. Missouri State is better for the Sun Belt unless there was another school in the area worth taking.

Seriously if you were going to post schools out there you could at least post Northern Iowa which at least has tradition of good teams and brings in a new state that is not far from NIU (though it also continue to give NIU fans fits of being confused with UNI). However I do not think they are a good fit for FBS and are slightly smaller than your typical MAC level institution and they are in a small population state with two FBS programs in it already.

Missouri State is a LONG way from any MAC member (~500 miles). At least UNI is drivable. To be honest, Missouri State is kind of far from anyone in the Valley other than Wichita.

UNI is a better program than Missouri State. But Missouri State has more potential. Neither appear to want to leave the Valley.

JMU has no equal in the Sun Belt or MAC or CUSA

We have better academics, facilities , following and women.

That's the whole thing. Which Valley bball team is willing to go to a lower G5 conference, in order to upgrade football -- at the expense of bball?

Maybe one of them will pull that trigger, one day. I think there is also a background thought that MVC could move up to FBS one day, if Wichita St restarts football.

(10-24-2015 01:32 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  That's the whole thing. Which Valley bball team is willing to go to a lower G5 conference, in order to upgrade football -- at the expense of bball?

Maybe one of them will pull that trigger, one day. I think there is also a background thought that MVC could move up to FBS one day, if Wichita St restarts football.

I think Missouri State is the one that will eventually pull the trigger. Especially if WSU falls back to being middle of the road or they leave.

I don't think its going to happen for a while.

(10-23-2015 10:24 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 10:17 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 08:50 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  Also it is hard to find western schools that really help, without being too small, or too far outside the foot print in areas with very small populations. If Wisconsin had a school that made sense then going west would be a lot easier I think.

Southern Illinois and Illinois State send their regards. Personally I think the MAC should have invited Missouri State as a football affiliate with an arrangement similar to UMass - perhaps it gets the Bears' stadium upgrade underway a little bit sooner. For syndication purposes the conference then has a footprint that stretches from Oklahoma to New Hampshire.

Southern Illinois and Illinois State are not worth expanding for. Missouri State is better for the Sun Belt unless there was another school in the area worth taking.

Seriously if you were going to post schools out there you could at least post Northern Iowa which at least has tradition of good teams and brings in a new state that is not far from NIU (though it also continue to give NIU fans fits of being confused with UNI). However I do not think they are a good fit for FBS and are slightly smaller than your typical MAC level institution and they are in a small population state with two FBS programs in it already.

The only schools in the west, IMHO are the Dakota Schools or St. Cloud State.

(10-24-2015 03:13 PM)lance99 Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 10:24 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 10:17 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 08:50 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  Also it is hard to find western schools that really help, without being too small, or too far outside the foot print in areas with very small populations. If Wisconsin had a school that made sense then going west would be a lot easier I think.

Southern Illinois and Illinois State send their regards. Personally I think the MAC should have invited Missouri State as a football affiliate with an arrangement similar to UMass - perhaps it gets the Bears' stadium upgrade underway a little bit sooner. For syndication purposes the conference then has a footprint that stretches from Oklahoma to New Hampshire.

Southern Illinois and Illinois State are not worth expanding for. Missouri State is better for the Sun Belt unless there was another school in the area worth taking.

Seriously if you were going to post schools out there you could at least post Northern Iowa which at least has tradition of good teams and brings in a new state that is not far from NIU (though it also continue to give NIU fans fits of being confused with UNI). However I do not think they are a good fit for FBS and are slightly smaller than your typical MAC level institution and they are in a small population state with two FBS programs in it already.

The only schools in the west, IMHO are the Dakota Schools or St. Cloud State.

The only way Dakota schools would work is if the MAC went expansion crazy and took a bunch of schools out west but then you would need to worry about a break away later. Not worthwhile venture.

(10-24-2015 01:31 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  JMU has no equal in the Sun Belt or MAC or CUSA

We have better academics, facilities , following and women.

And humble too boot.

(10-24-2015 01:10 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 08:50 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  Also it is hard to find western schools that really help, without being too small, or too far outside the foot print in areas with very small populations. If Wisconsin had a school that made sense then going west would be a lot easier I think.

Wisconsin-Milwaukee said they would look into re-starting their football program. They are really fit into the MAC in a way. They could be in the MAC like South Alabama was before they added football. Build the program in the FCS as an independent. Same could be said for Mankato State or Minn.-Deluth where they can be in FCS building up their football program, and join the MAC with all sports. North Dakota State is on the border with Minnesota, and really not that far from Northern Iowa in terms.

Minn St-Mankato is #1 in DII football but only attracts 4000 / game. Duluth has similar support. No way could football justify a move to DI for those schools. The Minnesota DII schools are like commuter schools as they still mainly support the Vikings and Gophers. St Thomas and St Johns are DIII schools in Minnesota, but they have a lot more fan support and serious fans.

Mn-Duluth swept Minnesota in hockey last weekend and plays Notre Dame this weekend. That's where all the fan support and finances go at Duluth, MSU-Mankato, and St Cloud St. In any other state, those schools would have been DI in everything.

(10-24-2015 05:42 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(10-24-2015 01:10 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(10-23-2015 08:50 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  Also it is hard to find western schools that really help, without being too small, or too far outside the foot print in areas with very small populations. If Wisconsin had a school that made sense then going west would be a lot easier I think.

Wisconsin-Milwaukee said they would look into re-starting their football program. They are really fit into the MAC in a way. They could be in the MAC like South Alabama was before they added football. Build the program in the FCS as an independent. Same could be said for Mankato State or Minn.-Deluth where they can be in FCS building up their football program, and join the MAC with all sports. North Dakota State is on the border with Minnesota, and really not that far from Northern Iowa in terms.

Minn St-Mankato is #1 in DII football but only attracts 4000 / game. Duluth has similar support. No way could football justify a move to DI for those schools. The Minnesota DII schools are like commuter schools as they still mainly support the Vikings and Gophers. St Thomas and St Johns are DIII schools in Minnesota, but they have a lot more fan support and serious fans.

Mn-Duluth swept Minnesota in hockey last weekend and plays Notre Dame this weekend. That's where all the fan support and finances go at Duluth, MSU-Mankato, and St Cloud St. In any other state, those schools would have been DI in everything.

The Sunbelt doesn't want JMU under any circumstance.

(10-24-2015 01:31 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  JMU has no equal in the Sun Belt or MAC or CUSA

We have better academics, facilities , following and women.

Texas State would like to have a word with you about the women...

(10-24-2015 01:31 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  JMU has no equal in the Sun Belt or MAC or CUSA

We have better academics, facilities , following and women.

Say what?