(10-20-2015 12:02 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(10-20-2015 10:22 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  My two cents: Good coaches like Fuente will win wherever you put them.

There are numerous examples showing that isn't always the case. Tulane and Vanderbilt are just two schools whose coaches left for another school and then failed. Matter for fact, our own Fred Pancoast failed at Vanderbilt after leaving Memphis - was later quoted as saying that leaving Memphis was the biggest mistake of his career. We replaced him, by the way with Richard Williamson who was a better coach.

I'm talking about the elite coaches, like Urban Meyer, Brian Kelly, Nick Saban, etc. Those guys won every place they ever coached. I have a feeling Fuente will be the same way.

To your point, there are coaches who are better fits for some programs than others.

(10-20-2015 12:08 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(10-20-2015 12:02 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(10-20-2015 10:22 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  My two cents: Good coaches like Fuente will win wherever you put them.

There are numerous examples showing that isn't always the case. Tulane and Vanderbilt are just two schools whose coaches left for another school and then failed. Matter for fact, our own Fred Pancoast failed at Vanderbilt after leaving Memphis - was later quoted as saying that leaving Memphis was the biggest mistake of his career. We replaced him, by the way with Richard Williamson who was a better coach.

I'm talking about the elite coaches, like Urban Meyer, Brian Kelly, Nick Saban, etc. Those guys won every place they ever coached. I have a feeling Fuente will be the same way.

To your point, there are coaches who are better fits for some programs than others.

Maybe they all took only the right jobs ?

(10-20-2015 12:10 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(10-20-2015 12:08 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(10-20-2015 12:02 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(10-20-2015 10:22 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  My two cents: Good coaches like Fuente will win wherever you put them.

There are numerous examples showing that isn't always the case. Tulane and Vanderbilt are just two schools whose coaches left for another school and then failed. Matter for fact, our own Fred Pancoast failed at Vanderbilt after leaving Memphis - was later quoted as saying that leaving Memphis was the biggest mistake of his career. We replaced him, by the way with Richard Williamson who was a better coach.

I'm talking about the elite coaches, like Urban Meyer, Brian Kelly, Nick Saban, etc. Those guys won every place they ever coached. I have a feeling Fuente will be the same way.

To your point, there are coaches who are better fits for some programs than others.

Maybe they all took only the right jobs ?

Touche.

(10-20-2015 10:22 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  Interesting article from Pete Thamel

http://www.campusrush.com/coaching-carou...85585.html

My two cents: Good coaches like Fuente will win wherever you put them. Having resources like Texas has does not guarantee anything. It gives you more opportunities to be successful, but you still need the right coach. Conversely, coaching at Memphis does not mean you can't win. See Justin Fuente. It might be a little bit tougher, but the right coach can and will win.

The next hire for Memphis will be critical. Heck, every hire is critical. You either get a guy who can win or you don't. It's much harder to do the former.

Two things

Thamel is a douche

Rip advising Fuente is like a crop duster pilot advising a stealth fighter pilot

Rip, Tommy and Larry will never be a HC again, and its not because of Memphis, its because they were bad to mediocre head coaches.

(10-20-2015 12:27 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Rip, Tommy and Larry will never be a HC again, and its not because of Memphis, its because they were bad to mediocre head coaches.,,,or stopped working while being a head coach

f.i.f.y.

Lock the thread

(10-20-2015 11:44 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(10-20-2015 11:38 AM)EvilLore Wrote:  

(10-20-2015 11:36 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(10-20-2015 11:34 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(10-20-2015 10:57 AM)eltigre Wrote:  If and when he deicdes to leave I will thank him and then rest comfortably knowing that we now have leadership in place that cares about football and understands the importance of a strong program. I will say it is much more fun to think aboout the prospects of who you may hire if/when your football coach gets hired away. Much better than what we have been used to for the last 50 years.

Here's where I disagree with you: I don't think it will be any easier finding a successful replacement for Fuente than it's ever been before. Memphis will either have to go out and try to find the next undiscovered up and comer, like Fuente, or hire a guy who has fallen from grace, like Bobby Petrino. Programs like USC and Miami have more options because they can hire guys that have already established themselves. Again, that doesn't guarantee success. That's why Miami has been very average for many years. But it increases their odds.

I'm not trying to rain on the parade, but I believe it's going to be very difficult to replace Fuente and sustain success. It's all about the coach. Just look at Calipari vs. Pastner.

You think that it is going to be harder now than 4 years ago.....


do you know who the runner up was?(would have 100% taken job)

Current Florida coach, right? I think he would have done pretty well here.

Yep, Jim McElwain. He was the candidate for the Memphis job but ended up at Colorado State. We wouldn't have gone wrong with Fuente or McElwain, which shows you how fortunate we were with that search. It's not easy to find candidates like that. Sometimes you whiff on guys.

To get final two candidates like Fuente and McElwain, you have to build a search committee and know who to put on that committee. You also have to know who not to put on the committee.

(10-20-2015 12:36 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(10-20-2015 11:44 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(10-20-2015 11:38 AM)EvilLore Wrote:  

(10-20-2015 11:36 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(10-20-2015 11:34 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  Here's where I disagree with you: I don't think it will be any easier finding a successful replacement for Fuente than it's ever been before. Memphis will either have to go out and try to find the next undiscovered up and comer, like Fuente, or hire a guy who has fallen from grace, like Bobby Petrino. Programs like USC and Miami have more options because they can hire guys that have already established themselves. Again, that doesn't guarantee success. That's why Miami has been very average for many years. But it increases their odds.

I'm not trying to rain on the parade, but I believe it's going to be very difficult to replace Fuente and sustain success. It's all about the coach. Just look at Calipari vs. Pastner.

You think that it is going to be harder now than 4 years ago.....


do you know who the runner up was?(would have 100% taken job)

Current Florida coach, right? I think he would have done pretty well here.

Yep, Jim McElwain. He was the candidate for the Memphis job but ended up at Colorado State. We wouldn't have gone wrong with Fuente or McElwain, which shows you how fortunate we were with that search. It's not easy to find candidates like that. Sometimes you whiff on guys.

To get final two candidates like Fuente and McElwain, you have to build a search committee and know who to put on that committee. You also have to know who not to put on the committee.

George Lapides?

Dont let the local sports columnist make the hire, especially when your biggest money booster who happens to have a son on the team is backing someone else.

(10-20-2015 12:29 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(10-20-2015 12:27 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Rip, Tommy and Larry will never be a HC again, and its not because of Memphis, its because they were bad to mediocre head coaches.,,,or stopped working while being a head coach

f.i.f.y.

Tommy ridiculed those who questioned his recruiting, or lack thereof, and pointed to his past success as rationale. Tommy quit working and was content with eeking out 6-7 win seasons. As his talent dwindled, so did the quality of his out-of-conference opponents and so did fan interest. I thought his press conference rant was both self-serving and disingenuous.

(10-20-2015 12:43 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(10-20-2015 12:29 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(10-20-2015 12:27 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Rip, Tommy and Larry will never be a HC again, and its not because of Memphis, its because they were bad to mediocre head coaches.,,,or stopped working while being a head coach

f.i.f.y.

Tommy ridiculed those who questioned his recruiting, or lack thereof, and pointed to his past success as rationale. Tommy quit working and was content with eeking out 6-7 win seasons. As his talent dwindled, so did the quality of his out-of-conference opponents and so did fan interest. I thought his press conference rant was both self-serving and disingenuous.

Tommy and Rip were more at fault than anyone in the administration. Fuente is proof of that.

(10-20-2015 01:09 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(10-20-2015 12:43 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(10-20-2015 12:29 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(10-20-2015 12:27 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Rip, Tommy and Larry will never be a HC again, and its not because of Memphis, its because they were bad to mediocre head coaches.,,,or stopped working while being a head coach

f.i.f.y.

Tommy ridiculed those who questioned his recruiting, or lack thereof, and pointed to his past success as rationale. Tommy quit working and was content with eeking out 6-7 win seasons. As his talent dwindled, so did the quality of his out-of-conference opponents and so did fan interest. I thought his press conference rant was both self-serving and disingenuous.

Tommy and Rip were more at fault than anyone in the administration. Fuente is proof of that.

110% spot on.

(10-20-2015 12:43 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(10-20-2015 12:29 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(10-20-2015 12:27 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Rip, Tommy and Larry will never be a HC again, and its not because of Memphis, its because they were bad to mediocre head coaches.,,,or stopped working while being a head coach

f.i.f.y.

Tommy ridiculed those who questioned his recruiting, or lack thereof, and pointed to his past success as rationale. Tommy quit working and was content with eeking out 6-7 win seasons. As his talent dwindled, so did the quality of his out-of-conference opponents and so did fan interest. I thought his press conference rant was both self-serving and disingenuous.

Never understood how you could have a back like DeAngelo and play a scheme like Fichtner and fail to ever recruit another NFL caliber back or another QB as good as Danny W.

(10-20-2015 12:04 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  I agree with the old dude on this one. Of course it seems like it you can't win here you don't end up anywhere else either.

See Rip, Tommy, Chuck, Rey etc.

Rey Dempsey & Larry Porter were the worst hires in the history of the program.

Charlie Bailey should've never been forced to resign.

Rip was probably kept 2 years more than he deserved.

Tommy said the program didn't have "a fighting chance". But he quit fighting after his heart attack. But had all the time in the world to play golf, drink a lot of whiskey, & run around on his wife.

Fuente is the best I've seen in not only how he coaches but how he as organized the program into his "System".

I don't know if he learned it all at TCU but he certainly knows how to do it in a short period of time.

(10-20-2015 01:18 PM)Cletus Wrote:  

(10-20-2015 12:04 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  I agree with the old dude on this one. Of course it seems like it you can't win here you don't end up anywhere else either.

See Rip, Tommy, Chuck, Rey etc.

Rey Dempsey & Larry Porter were the worst hires in the history of the program.

Charlie Bailey should've never been forced to resign.

Rip was probably kept 2 years more than he deserved.

Tommy said the program didn't have "a fighting chance". But he quit fighting after his heart attack. But had all the time in the world to play golf, drink a lot of whiskey, & run around on his wife.

Fuente is the best I've seen in not only how he coaches but how he as organized the program into his "System".

I don't know if he learned it all at TCU but he certainly knows how to do it in a short period of time.

Fuente is the best we've had since Rex and really that's unfair to Rex since his time was short. Pancoast and Williamson were also good hires.

(10-20-2015 10:49 AM)Smith Wrote:  The big difference now between this job and past is that after 50 years the university has a committed President and AD. The leadership is place that has not been there since I have been following Tiger football. I believe the commitment that Tom West was speaking of is now in place.

The difference is that our former basketball coach told Fred Smith no and pissed him off. At about the same time that Fred's son decided to play football for the U of M. It is the boosters renewed focus on football. Most of the things that are being credited for the new found success was started under the old administration. Including the facility upgrades and the coach.

I grew to HATE Rip. When he totally failed to capitalize on the Tennessee win was one of those defining moments in Tiger history. That was the time to really sell the program and he never could.

(10-20-2015 01:11 PM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(10-20-2015 12:43 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(10-20-2015 12:29 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(10-20-2015 12:27 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Rip, Tommy and Larry will never be a HC again, and its not because of Memphis, its because they were bad to mediocre head coaches.,,,or stopped working while being a head coach

f.i.f.y.

Tommy ridiculed those who questioned his recruiting, or lack thereof, and pointed to his past success as rationale. Tommy quit working and was content with eeking out 6-7 win seasons. As his talent dwindled, so did the quality of his out-of-conference opponents and so did fan interest. I thought his press conference rant was both self-serving and disingenuous.

Never understood how you could have a back like DeAngelo and play a scheme like Fichtner and fail to ever recruit another NFL caliber back or another QB as good as Danny W.

You do realize that the back that came after DeAngelo left was on the same NFL team which DeAngelo is now playing. Or have you forgotten Curtis Steele.

(10-20-2015 01:09 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(10-20-2015 12:43 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(10-20-2015 12:29 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(10-20-2015 12:27 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Rip, Tommy and Larry will never be a HC again, and its not because of Memphis, its because they were bad to mediocre head coaches.,,,or stopped working while being a head coach

f.i.f.y.

Tommy ridiculed those who questioned his recruiting, or lack thereof, and pointed to his past success as rationale. Tommy quit working and was content with eeking out 6-7 win seasons. As his talent dwindled, so did the quality of his out-of-conference opponents and so did fan interest. I thought his press conference rant was both self-serving and disingenuous.

Tommy and Rip were more at fault than anyone in the administration. Fuente is proof of that.

To be fair, this administration is doing much more to fulfill the commitments they made. Unlike before.