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RE: Did the Dems just hand the election to the Republicans?
Would as many people buy houses if the mortgage interest rate were taken away? Does home ownership produce jobs and increase people's net worth?

Oil companies explore for, drill for, and refine oil. Risky business. Their return on on a gallon of gas is less than what Pepsie makes on a gallon of Aquafina. Yet no one refers to Aquafina as "Big Water" gouging the little guy.

The state Feds take over 40 cents a gallon in taxes, far more than what the oil company made of it, yet the oil company had to produce it and the government produced NOTHING. Whose making more off a gallon of gas, Big Oil, or Big Government. Could the average Joe use that 40 cent decrease in the cost of a gallon of gas? I go through about 2000 gallons a year. That's $800 that could go in my pocket.

Check your cell, Internet, and electric bill. All have government fees. For what? What did the government produce to deserve a cut?

As for income equality, it will NEVER HAPPEN. There will always be people who are smarter, work harder, and have built in advantages such as connections, access to training, etc.

If I give a student a B for trying even though his effort and product was not that of other students who received B's, will it make him work harder? Will it make the others slack off?
10-19-2015 01:14 PM
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RE: Did the Dems just hand the election to the Republicans?
We don't need bloated gubments pretending to serve us and then turn around and tell the very people who are paying their wages that we want to much, that we're soft.

It's no secret that gubment jobs are the best out there right now, why?

Power companies pretending to be regulated, oil companies pretending they need tax abatements in order to explore, Major League franchises pretending they need tax dollars to build their stadiums while they pay their players multiples of millions, you name it, all welfare. Big $ welfare too.

As for fees, somehow the people need an advocate to provide some oversight, if that's the mechanism that funds it, I'm for it, but I don't agree on it being an "add on" to the bill. The people that we're getting protection from (meat packers, cell providers, etc) should be paying it equally. Cost of doing business.
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10-19-2015 01:38 PM
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Quote:Would as many people buy houses if the mortgage interest rate were taken away? Does home ownership produce jobs and increase people's net worth?

You might be right, maybe not, but your rationale aside does not alter the fact that I am on government subsidy, i.e., welfare as a benefit of buying a house.

In a pure market based capitalist economy the government would not have to artificially step in to subsidize my standard of living, or yours, so I could buy a house or not. It'd be a dog eat dog economy.

If I can't afford a house without government welfare, then tough ****. Economic stimulus rationale or not, the fact that tax policy incentives citizens to consume means that an unaltered market economy does not work. If a free market based economy worked we would not need incentives.
10-19-2015 03:00 PM
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(10-19-2015 03:00 PM)BCBronco Wrote:  
Quote:Would as many people buy houses if the mortgage interest rate were taken away? Does home ownership produce jobs and increase people's net worth?

You might be right, maybe not, but your rationale aside does not alter the fact that I am on government subsidy, i.e., welfare as a benefit of buying a house.

In a pure market based capitalist economy the government would not have to artificially step in to subsidize my standard of living, or yours, so I could buy a house or not. It'd be a dog eat dog economy.

If I can't afford a house without government welfare, then tough ****. Economic stimulus rationale or not, the fact that tax policy incentives citizens to consume means that an unaltered market economy does not work. If a free market based economy worked we would not need incentives.

That's kind of harsh, I like tax deductions and incentives as long as it benefits ME. 03-shhhh
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(10-19-2015 11:04 AM)rtletterman Wrote:  
(10-19-2015 05:39 AM)brovol Wrote:  
(10-18-2015 07:29 PM)rtletterman Wrote:  I'm
(10-18-2015 02:42 PM)brovol Wrote:  
(10-18-2015 09:16 AM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear brovol and ESSSS,
Can either of you really say that your lives have been changed or altered by government programs that were set up to help other Americans? You both worry too much about things that really have no effect on you. If you want to worry or complain about something I suggest that you be concerned about all the taxes that the huge corporations avoid every year with all their loopholes, thereby making the rest of us pay through the nose.
Yes!! Every hour of every day my life is altered. I have far less to spend than I would but for government tax and spending, and while both parties have contributed to the socialistic trend in America over the past few decades, the democrats have led the charge. The fact that we have someone who proudly declares himself as a socialist, with a philosophy that would make Marx smile, leading the race for the dem nomination says it all.

Change it up, starting with our local court systems. Those employees should be part time at most. Some real world perspective would make a huge impact on the quality of work we get. Then move that model to the federal level.

Leverage that work above throughout the rest of the public sector and then we will have a society where government isn't the largest employer.

Be a great first step towards the goal of a more capitalistic society.
Not surprisingly, you are one who would advocate eliminating the real core government functions like the courts in order to go forward with a socialist agenda. Capitalism requires the courts, but I know you already knew that comrad.

Even the most "progressive" Democrats from ages ago would be shocked and disappointed at what their party has become, and would never believe what the current candidates are proposing. Our founding fathers, on the other hand, would be demanding that we leave our rakes in the field and take arms. They would remind us that the purpose the second amendment was put in the Constitution wasn't to protect hunting rights or self defense.

Not a full time, bloated bureaucracy like we have now, with lawyers making laws, policies and procedures designed to line their pockets first, serve the citizens second. It's blatant justification of their own existence on a daily basis.

Good work if you can get it, trust me, I'm jealous.

I wont argue with you there. My point is that the government is too big, and plays way too big a role in our lives, and in our economy. But I am neither an anarchist. I Believe, as did the framers of our constitution, which set out our government structure, that we need a LIMITED government. We need laws, and thus a mechanism to enforce those laws.

I know you are giving me the business because you know I am a judge, and therefore a "government employee" I get that, and that's fine. But for the past few decades our country has deviated towards socialistic principles; and frankly the Republicans are almost as equally as guilty as the Democrats. Presidential politicians all tell us how they are going to "create jobs". Both sides do this. Well lets be clear, the government doesn't create jobs, and shouldn't, in a free enterprise capitalist society. Private enterprise does. Big and small businesses. The government just needs to get the hell out of the way, and let the economy work.

It is just so hard to be a proud American, and understand how government is supposed to work, and how the economy is supposed to work, all while watching what has happened, and how people now expect the federal government to be our daddy. We now have a guy who proudly declares himself a socialist as a leading candidate for president. Seriously, you all like this?
10-19-2015 03:25 PM
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Quote:If I can't afford a house without government welfare, then tough ****. Economic stimulus rationale or not, the fact that tax policy incentives citizens to consume means that an unaltered market economy does not work. If a free market based economy worked we would not need incentives.

Tax incentives are supposed to "help the economy work"?

So those thousands upon thousands of lobbyists in DC are only there hoping to do their part?

Who knew?
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(10-19-2015 03:25 PM)brovol Wrote:  
(10-19-2015 11:04 AM)rtletterman Wrote:  
(10-19-2015 05:39 AM)brovol Wrote:  
(10-18-2015 07:29 PM)rtletterman Wrote:  I'm
(10-18-2015 02:42 PM)brovol Wrote:  Yes!! Every hour of every day my life is altered. I have far less to spend than I would but for government tax and spending, and while both parties have contributed to the socialistic trend in America over the past few decades, the democrats have led the charge. The fact that we have someone who proudly declares himself as a socialist, with a philosophy that would make Marx smile, leading the race for the dem nomination says it all.

Change it up, starting with our local court systems. Those employees should be part time at most. Some real world perspective would make a huge impact on the quality of work we get. Then move that model to the federal level.

Leverage that work above throughout the rest of the public sector and then we will have a society where government isn't the largest employer.

Be a great first step towards the goal of a more capitalistic society.
Not surprisingly, you are one who would advocate eliminating the real core government functions like the courts in order to go forward with a socialist agenda. Capitalism requires the courts, but I know you already knew that comrad.

Even the most "progressive" Democrats from ages ago would be shocked and disappointed at what their party has become, and would never believe what the current candidates are proposing. Our founding fathers, on the other hand, would be demanding that we leave our rakes in the field and take arms. They would remind us that the purpose the second amendment was put in the Constitution wasn't to protect hunting rights or self defense.

Not a full time, bloated bureaucracy like we have now, with lawyers making laws, policies and procedures designed to line their pockets first, serve the citizens second. It's blatant justification of their own existence on a daily basis.

Good work if you can get it, trust me, I'm jealous.

I wont argue with you there. My point is that the government is too big, and plays way too big a role in our lives, and in our economy. But I am neither an anarchist. I Believe, as did the framers of our constitution, which set out our government structure, that we need a LIMITED government. We need laws, and thus a mechanism to enforce those laws.

I know you are giving me the business because you know I am a judge, and therefore a "government employee" I get that, and that's fine. But for the past few decades our country has deviated towards socialistic principles; and frankly the Republicans are almost as equally as guilty as the Democrats. Presidential politicians all tell us how they are going to "create jobs". Both sides do this. Well lets be clear, the government doesn't create jobs, and shouldn't, in a free enterprise capitalist society. Private enterprise does. Big and small businesses. The government just needs to get the hell out of the way, and let the economy work.

It is just so hard to be a proud American, and understand how government is supposed to work, and how the economy is supposed to work, all while watching what has happened, and how people now expect the federal government to be our daddy. We now have a guy who proudly declares himself a socialist as a leading candidate for president. Seriously, you all like this?

Newsflash, I took a contract gig to help a local, rural turning urban, school district with their budgeting system, they were in a CHITSTORM last year. I converted to w2.

If I owned a house in that school district and knew my house escrow account was bloated by this operation, I'd be livid. As it stands now, I'm watching my local district like a hawk, but they're lean and mean compared to us, and bigger.

It's a travesty. This should be a part time gig, it's the bureaucracy that gets in the way. Sad.

I've worked at pretty much all levels now either consulting, w2, or both. Not one is much better than the other. Corporations aren't the answer either, with their big funding mechanisms and built in federal reporting requirements, they're almost as bad, if not worse in some instances. REITS should be outlawed immediately. (another discussion but a GLARING example of socialism)
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