And let it begin...

I just heard MCs name mentioned with only 2 others for the South Carolina job. One of those being Dantonio from Michigan State, who is a SC graduate and former player. I don't see Dantonio leaving MSU with all the success they're having and the BIG10s current rise in relevance. I can't remember the 3rd candidates name.

As a South Carolina native and resident, and a huge Gamecock fan (3 of my 4 siblings are SC grads), it would be a bitter sweet move for me. I'd love to continue to pull for MC, would be excited to see what he could do with SC, and would be super happy for him and his family, but I just hate to see what he has going at Toledo end. Bottom line is this, SC can throw a hell of a lot more money at him than Toledo can, the climate down here is much better, and its the SEC, nuff said. It wouldn't surprise me to see him move.

Also, it wouldn't be a bad move at all. Where schools like Illinois are a graveyard for head coaches, SC now has a history (albeit short history) of success and the expectations are now there. They recruit very well and SC as a state has become a hot bed for HS football talent with high schools like Byrnes, Dorman and Spartanburg all being nationally recognized schools on an annual basis. Hell, Dorman, where I graduated, has a stadium that seats over 13k people. We don't mess around down here. And all that talent goes through Clemson and SC before heading out of state.

Anyone else heard anything about this?

(10-14-2015 08:07 AM)tjt1980 Wrote:  And let it begin...

I just heard MCs name mentioned with only 2 others for the South Carolina job. One of those being Dantonio from Michigan State, who is a SC graduate and former player. I don't see Dantonio leaving MSU with all the success they're having and the BIG10s current rise in relevance. I can't remember the 3rd candidates name.

As a South Carolina native and resident, and a huge Gamecock fan (3 of my 4 siblings are SC grads), it would be a bitter sweet move for me. I'd love to continue to pull for MC, would be excited to see what he could do with SC, and would be super happy for him and his family, but I just hate to see what he has going at Toledo end. Bottom line is this, SC can throw a hell of a lot more money at him than Toledo can, the climate down here is much better, and its the SEC, nuff said. It wouldn't surprise me to see him move.

Also, it wouldn't be a bad move at all. Where schools like Illinois are a graveyard for head coaches, SC now has a history (albeit short history) of success and the expectations are now there. They recruit very well and SC as a state has become a hot bed for HS football talent with high schools like Byrnes, Dorman and Spartanburg all being nationally recognized schools on an annual basis. Hell, Dorman, where I graduated, has a stadium that seats over 13k people. We don't mess around down here. And all that talent goes through Clemson and SC before heading out of state.

Anyone else heard anything about this?

Great state for golf courses. Close to Indiana in terms of FBS FB talent.

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/s...r-34434587
http://www.garnetandblackattack.com/sout...tin-fuente

Googling for `"south carolina" "matt campbell" toledo` showed all kinds of interesting results.

That's funny: may not be ready for a job like this. SC was nothing before Spurrier. I think that may be an overestimation of their importance.

(10-13-2015 07:49 PM)Carolina Rocket Wrote:  

(10-13-2015 06:01 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(10-13-2015 05:17 PM)emanoh Wrote:  How many times do you see a coach outted after 4-5 yrs and miraculously the following year with a new coach they are good, with the previous coaches mature and seasoned kids. Some programs need 5 yrs to get on track, especially with long histories of loosing. In our own circumstances, stutz rode the wave until the bottom fell out. It's taken us 3 yrs with Beckman and 4 with campbell to get the depth we have now. At a big school, campbell would have been out last year cause he hasn't won a championship.

Look at Coach K at Dook for example. He was 17-13 in yr 1, 10-17 in yr 2, 11=17 in yr 3. Nowadays, he woulda been canned after the 3rd yr.

Maybe, maybe not. Duke wasn't DUKE until he took it over, so expectations were still "who's this 'Krizewski' guy"...

But on the whole, you're right. See also: Belichick with Browns vs. Belichick with Pats. Same guy, two stories.

Duke had been to the Final Four and Elite Eight in two of the three seasons prior to Coach K's arrival. He wasn't exactly scraping the bottom of the barrel. He took over a very good program and struggled a lot early.

(10-14-2015 08:35 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  That's funny: may not be ready for a job like this. SC was nothing before Spurrier. I think that may be an overestimation of their importance.

It may be more of a reference to the pressures of trying to win in the SEC.Dealing with UT Alums/Boosters etc has to be easier than these wacko
SEC people. If I were Coach Campbell I'd want to stick somewhere close to his roots and with a successful program. There are reasons certain programs are bottom dwellers that are far beyond your control. I believe Matt is a honest, value driven individual. That would not mesh with a lot of programs.

(10-14-2015 08:56 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(10-14-2015 08:35 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  That's funny: may not be ready for a job like this. SC was nothing before Spurrier. I think that may be an overestimation of their importance.

It may be more of a reference to the pressures of trying to win in the SEC.Dealing with UT Alums/Boosters etc has to be easier than these wacko
SEC people. If I were Coach Campbell I'd want to stick somewhere close to his roots and with a successful program. There are reasons certain programs are bottom dwellers that are far beyond your control. I believe Matt is a honest, value driven individual. That would not mesh with a lot of programs.

Or a lot of conferences.

S Carolina = the Illinois of the SEC

Very poor taste resigning in the middle of the season but given it's done, the common sense thing would have been to elevate someone from their own coaching ranks instead of upsetting other programs. Why work for someone like that?

SC could never win the big game even with spurrier. Perennial chokers.

(10-13-2015 07:49 PM)Carolina Rocket Wrote:  

(10-13-2015 06:01 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(10-13-2015 05:17 PM)emanoh Wrote:  How many times do you see a coach outted after 4-5 yrs and miraculously the following year with a new coach they are good, with the previous coaches mature and seasoned kids. Some programs need 5 yrs to get on track, especially with long histories of loosing. In our own circumstances, stutz rode the wave until the bottom fell out. It's taken us 3 yrs with Beckman and 4 with campbell to get the depth we have now. At a big school, campbell would have been out last year cause he hasn't won a championship.

Look at Coach K at Dook for example. He was 17-13 in yr 1, 10-17 in yr 2, 11=17 in yr 3. Nowadays, he woulda been canned after the 3rd yr.

Maybe, maybe not. Duke wasn't DUKE until he took it over, so expectations were still "who's this 'Krizewski' guy"...

But on the whole, you're right. See also: Belichick with Browns vs. Belichick with Pats. Same guy, two stories.

Actually Duke had a lot of success before Coach K. I don't remember who their coach was before that was there in the 60's & 70's........

(10-14-2015 08:35 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  That's funny: may not be ready for a job like this. SC was nothing before Spurrier. I think that may be an overestimation of their importance.

Steve took over for Lou Holtz and they have a Heisman Trophy winner in George Rogers in the 80's.

btw, the movie "The Program" with James Caan was shot there.......

(10-14-2015 03:40 PM)Terry Wrote:  

(10-14-2015 08:35 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  That's funny: may not be ready for a job like this. SC was nothing before Spurrier. I think that may be an overestimation of their importance.

Steve took over for Lou Holtz and they have a Heisman Trophy winner in George Rogers in the 80's.

btw, the movie "The Program" with James Caan was shot there.......

Holtz was 33-37 in six years.

George O'Leary has resigned at Central Florida.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...ry-resigns

Thank God Campbell is staying after that loss to UMass.

Al Golden is out after the goose egg Miami laid against Clemson. In his Defense I think Clemson is one of the top two in the nation.

Agreed. I think that was a fired to save our own azzes firing. Golden took on a mess of a program. Bigger mess than either Coach K or B had to here with barely a fraction of the level of competition. Miami is a tough gig to do football with all rules in place. Small, private, high academic competing against several large state schools. It needs a Harbaugh type to turn it around I think. Someone who can come from outside but still be recognizable enough to lift recruiting.

(10-25-2015 08:25 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  Agreed. I think that was a fired to save our own azzes firing. Golden took on a mess of a program. Bigger mess than either Coach K or B had to here with barely a fraction of the level of competition. Miami is a tough gig to do football with all rules in place. Small, private, high academic competing against several large state schools. It needs a Harbaugh type to turn it around I think. Someone who can come from outside but still be recognizable enough to lift recruiting.

Talk around town is Butch Davis is coming back. Former players are all for this. This a hotbed of HS recruiting: I-4 and below. The right HC can turn this program around very quickly. Golden was not a good game day coach, didn't bother spending enough time building relationships on the local level. If you remember, he was a media darling in the MAC, but never beat a MAC team with a winning record. Solich would eat his lunch. Harbaugh would not be a winner at the U, too headstrong and idiosyncratic. Certainly would not get along with "The U" FB alums, which have been a big part of the program. Guys like Chud or Cristobal would also be accepted by the power structure.

Frank Beamer is retiring at Virginia Tech.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/colleg...-1.2419784

V-Tech would be a great jump for a mid-major coach but I'd have to imagine Beamer already has someone lined up to replace himself.

(11-01-2015 04:53 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  V-Tech would be a great jump for a mid-major coach but I'd have to imagine Beamer already has someone lined up to replace himself.

VaTech keeps their assistants forever, but the wins haven't been coming as easily recently. Look for them to go outside of the program.