Not:

Alaska-Fairbanks (not D-I)
*Buffalo
Delaware
Hawai'i
Idaho
Maine
Montana
Nevada
New Mexico
New Hampshire
North Dakota
Rhode Island
South Dakota State
UConn
UMass
Vermont
Wyoming

Note: Ohio U is not a flagship, the Ohio State University is. *Also, the State University of New York has no official flagship, although some look to Buffalo as the system's leading school.

You're using your own personal definition of flagship. Evidenced by your arbitrary selection of UND for ND and SDSU for SD.

(10-06-2015 10:31 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  You're using your own personal definition of flagship. Evidenced by your arbitrary selection of UND for ND and SDSU for SD.

Either way, neither state has a flagship in the P5. That said, I don't really follow FCS closely---Do those states designate a single flagship university? Not every state does that. Its interesting, if the AAC wanted to go nationwide, they could go nationwide and do it with primarily state "flagships". Idaho, N Dakota, S Dakota, and Montana. Snap on SDSU and New Mexico St and you have and entire 6-team western division that's mostly flagships. You could do some shifting, drop NM St, slide Tulsa west, slide Cinci to the central division, and add UMass---giving the AAC 6 state flagships. Its an interesting option, but its probably of little value as most of those states have tiny populations or terrible programs.

(10-06-2015 10:31 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  You're using your own personal definition of flagship. Evidenced by your arbitrary selection of UND for ND and SDSU for SD.

He's not wrong. He just isn't right either. Both are the superior institutions in their respective states.

In addition, the only public schools whose name does not have a -state-, -A&M- or -tech- actually in the club are:

Auburn
Clemson
Louisville
Pittsburgh
Purdue
UCLA

-Texas Tech also likely belongs on the list above as well as Georgia Tech.

Note that some well known schools such as USC and Miami are not public schools.

(10-06-2015 10:31 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  You're using your own personal definition of flagship. Evidenced by your arbitrary selection of UND for ND and SDSU for SD.

Actually, I did some research on it and actually made some final changes before making my final draft. For example, I changed UNLV to Nevada and South Dakota State for South Dakota.

(10-06-2015 10:41 AM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(10-06-2015 10:31 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  You're using your own personal definition of flagship. Evidenced by your arbitrary selection of UND for ND and SDSU for SD.

He's not wrong. He just isn't right either. Both are the superior institutions in their respective states.

Neither are superior. Or it would have to be a narrow definition for "superior".

(10-06-2015 10:46 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(10-06-2015 10:31 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  You're using your own personal definition of flagship. Evidenced by your arbitrary selection of UND for ND and SDSU for SD.

Actually, I did some research on it and actually made some final changes before making my final draft. For example, I changed UNLV to Nevada and South Dakota State for South Dakota.

I probably agree for Nevada, but you got ND, SD and others wrong.

What is your methodology?

(10-06-2015 10:41 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-06-2015 10:31 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  You're using your own personal definition of flagship. Evidenced by your arbitrary selection of UND for ND and SDSU for SD.

Either way, neither state has a flagship in the P5. That said, I don't really follow FCS closely---Do those states designate a single flagship university? Not every state does that. Its interesting, if the AAC wanted to go nationwide, they could go nationwide and do it with primarily state "flagships". Idaho, N Dakota, S Dakota, and Montana. Snap on SDSU and New Mexico St and you have and entire 6-team western division that's mostly flagships. You could do some shifting, drop NM St, slide Tulsa west, slide Cinci to the central division, and add UMass---giving the AAC 6 state flagships. Its an interesting option, but its probably of little value as most of those states have tiny populations or terrible programs.

In ND, for example, all public, four-year institutions governed by a single president and board (called the NDUS). They designate both UND and NDSU to be flagships.

I agree that being a flagship in a small state doesn't mean much for major conferences.

Though it's interesting to compare the situations of ND, SD and MT to that of Wyoming.

(10-06-2015 10:43 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  In addition, the only public schools whose name does not have a -state-, -A&M- or -tech- actually in the club are:

Auburn
Clemson
Louisville
Pittsburgh
Purdue
UCLA

-Texas Tech also likely belongs on the list above as well as Georgia Tech.

Note that some well known schools such as USC and Miami are not public schools.

Do you not understand what the "C" in UCLA stands for?

Its the same as the "C" in the University of California at Berkeley.

BTW, Vermont dropped football many years ago.

(10-06-2015 11:04 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(10-06-2015 10:41 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-06-2015 10:31 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  You're using your own personal definition of flagship. Evidenced by your arbitrary selection of UND for ND and SDSU for SD.

Either way, neither state has a flagship in the P5. That said, I don't really follow FCS closely---Do those states designate a single flagship university? Not every state does that. Its interesting, if the AAC wanted to go nationwide, they could go nationwide and do it with primarily state "flagships". Idaho, N Dakota, S Dakota, and Montana. Snap on SDSU and New Mexico St and you have and entire 6-team western division that's mostly flagships. You could do some shifting, drop NM St, slide Tulsa west, slide Cinci to the central division, and add UMass---giving the AAC 6 state flagships. Its an interesting option, but its probably of little value as most of those states have tiny populations or terrible programs.

In ND, for example, all public, four-year institutions governed by a single president and board (called the NDUS). They designate both UND and NDSU to be flagships.

I agree that being a flagship in a small state doesn't mean much for major conferences.

Though it's interesting to compare the situations of ND, SD and MT to that of Wyoming.

This hits the nail on the head. Some reference state designated flagships while others point to the school most referenced by casual observers. TN is a good example with two systems. The state recognizes UTK as the flagship of one (UT and its' branches) and Memphis (everybody else) as the flagship of the other. Yet, you'd be hard pressed to find even the most ardent Tiger fan pushing Memphis as a flagship.

(10-06-2015 11:01 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(10-06-2015 10:41 AM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(10-06-2015 10:31 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  You're using your own personal definition of flagship. Evidenced by your arbitrary selection of UND for ND and SDSU for SD.

He's not wrong. He just isn't right either. Both are the superior institutions in their respective states.

Neither are superior. Or it would have to be a narrow definition for "superior".

Higher in University ranking. Perceived as the superior university by peer institutions.

(10-06-2015 11:28 AM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(10-06-2015 11:01 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(10-06-2015 10:41 AM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(10-06-2015 10:31 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  You're using your own personal definition of flagship. Evidenced by your arbitrary selection of UND for ND and SDSU for SD.

He's not wrong. He just isn't right either. Both are the superior institutions in their respective states.

Neither are superior. Or it would have to be a narrow definition for "superior".

Higher in University ranking. Perceived as the superior university by peer institutions.

What ranking? Whichever one it is, it's subjective.

(10-06-2015 11:20 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(10-06-2015 10:43 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  In addition, the only public schools whose name does not have a -state-, -A&M- or -tech- actually in the club are:

Auburn
Clemson
Louisville
Pittsburgh
Purdue
UCLA

-Texas Tech also likely belongs on the list above as well as Georgia Tech.

Note that some well known schools such as USC and Miami are not public schools.

Do you not understand what the "C" in UCLA stands for?

Its the same as the "C" in the University of California at Berkeley.

BTW, Vermont dropped football many years ago.

And to further muddy the California waters:

UC San Diego (not San Diego St, not U of San Diego) is top 10 in research in the nation. A major, world research institution.

But it only has DII athletics (for now, at least).

(10-06-2015 11:31 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(10-06-2015 11:28 AM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(10-06-2015 11:01 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(10-06-2015 10:41 AM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(10-06-2015 10:31 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  You're using your own personal definition of flagship. Evidenced by your arbitrary selection of UND for ND and SDSU for SD.

He's not wrong. He just isn't right either. Both are the superior institutions in their respective states.

Neither are superior. Or it would have to be a narrow definition for "superior".

Higher in University ranking. Perceived as the superior university by peer institutions.

What ranking? Whichever one it is, it's subjective.

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreview...olleges/nd

UND is 5 higher than NDSU (Not much gap but still there).

USD is 7 higher than SDSU (Not much gap either).

So you're right, it is subjective to whichever list you use and there isn't quite enough there to designate which university is a flagship.

(10-06-2015 10:28 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  Not:

Alaska-Fairbanks (not D-I)
*Buffalo
Delaware
Hawai'i
Idaho
Maine
Montana
Nevada
New Mexico
New Hampshire
North Dakota
Rhode Island
South Dakota State
UConn
UMass
Vermont
Wyoming

Note: Ohio U is not a flagship, the Ohio State University is. *Also, the State University of New York has no official flagship, although some look to Buffalo as the system's leading school.

It's Ohio, not Ohio U.

(10-06-2015 10:43 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  In addition, the only public schools whose name does not have a -state-, -A&M- or -tech- actually in the club are:

Auburn
Clemson
Louisville
Pittsburgh
Purdue
UCLA

-Texas Tech also likely belongs on the list above as well as Georgia Tech.

Note that some well known schools such as USC and Miami are not public schools.

Rutgers

(10-06-2015 12:07 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(10-06-2015 10:43 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  In addition, the only public schools whose name does not have a -state-, -A&M- or -tech- actually in the club are:

Auburn
Clemson
Louisville
Pittsburgh
Purdue
UCLA

-Texas Tech also likely belongs on the list above as well as Georgia Tech.

Note that some well known schools such as USC and Miami are not public schools.

Rutgers

The State University of New Jersey, Rutgers

(10-06-2015 12:30 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  

(10-06-2015 12:07 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(10-06-2015 10:43 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  In addition, the only public schools whose name does not have a -state-, -A&M- or -tech- actually in the club are:

Auburn
Clemson
Louisville
Pittsburgh
Purdue
UCLA

-Texas Tech also likely belongs on the list above as well as Georgia Tech.

Note that some well known schools such as USC and Miami are not public schools.

Rutgers

The State University of New Jersey, Rutgers

University of California, Los Angeles

(10-06-2015 12:07 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(10-06-2015 10:28 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  Not:

Alaska-Fairbanks (not D-I)
*Buffalo
Delaware
Hawai'i
Idaho
Maine
Montana
Nevada
New Mexico
New Hampshire
North Dakota
Rhode Island
South Dakota State
UConn
UMass
Vermont
Wyoming

Note: Ohio U is not a flagship, the Ohio State University is. *Also, the State University of New York has no official flagship, although some look to Buffalo as the system's leading school.

It's Ohio, not Ohio U.

It's the ORIGINAL OU.