(10-06-2015 10:24 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(10-06-2015 10:05 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(10-06-2015 09:52 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(10-06-2015 09:43 AM)miko33 Wrote:  No one wrote fake prophecies. The editors simply altered texts and added passages to these various books after the events occurred. Textual analysis of the OT books showed various levels of rewrites and additions over the years. For example, in the book of Isaiah, there was an original author, a 2nd author generations later and evidence of editing of both sources.

You speak of these things as if they are excepted facts, when they are in fact highly debated issues among scholars.

False. The textual criticism that shows the various points of editing, redaction and multiple authors is universally accepted by almost everyone. The Pentateuch was not written by Moses, but by a slew of writers over many generations. C'mon, surely you've seen the highly contradictory creation accounts in the first and 2nd chapters of Genesis, right?

There is a big difference in editing and altering doctrine or prophecy. The fact is we have thousands of manuscripts that scholars tell us are accurate back to the time of the prophets themselves. How can God create the entire universe but fail to protect his Word through the centuries? That makes no sense. He has preserved His Word through the ages. You either believe in the God of Abraham or you don't.

Lets save that whole discussion for another thread.

The subject here is replacement theology in the Bible. If you don't believe in the validity of the Bible then there is zero point in discussing this particular issue.

Prove it. I'll bow out of the discussion now and will wait for your response.

No. Never heard of this.

(10-06-2015 11:32 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  No. Never heard of this.

I think I had...but I actually thought it meant something else. Perhaps we should make sure it's even what the OP is saying it is.

EDIT...the description in the OP is fairly accurate.

To me, it doesn't sound that much like heresy. After all, Jesus brought the new covenant and paved the way for the spread of Christianity to the world to Gentiles as well as Jews. I can certainly ascertain heaven through Romans 10:9 regardless of what happens with the physical land of Israel.

(10-05-2015 11:56 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Replacement theology is the belief that the Church inherited ALL the future blessings of the physical nation of Israel after they rejected Christ.

Not for just the Church Age, but FOREVER.

In other words, the physical nation of Israel will play zero role in the latter days times. God has Zero plans or Zero use for the physical nation of Israel forever and ever....He's turned His back on it for all times.

Anyone here been taught this heresy before?

I know of it, and have talked to Pastor's that believe it. Sadly, they don't know the Bible very well.

Scary theology.

http://www.gotquestions.org/replacement-theology.html


In my heart the reason that the modern Jew will accept Christ won't be so much because of what us believers preach/teach. Remember that the Jews in Christs' time (and before) were waiting for a victorious Messiah. A King who would lead them in war and establish his Kingdom. Since Christ came not as a warrior but as a Savior the Jews of that time could not accept him as he was of humbleness and not of a Warrior King. They failed to read Isaiah 53 in (that Christ would be the sacrificial Lamb who took away the sins of the world) and if they did they still refused to believe their own Holy Book's prophesy.

Unfortunately, for those Jews that passed away before the coming tribulation and never accepted Christ their journey has already been set. In other words, not with Him in Heaven. This isn't to say that when Jesus does come down to earth to establish His Kingdom that there still won't be Jewish unbelievers.

(10-06-2015 02:32 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(10-05-2015 11:56 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Replacement theology is the belief that the Church inherited ALL the future blessings of the physical nation of Israel after they rejected Christ.

Not for just the Church Age, but FOREVER.

In other words, the physical nation of Israel will play zero role in the latter days times. God has Zero plans or Zero use for the physical nation of Israel forever and ever....He's turned His back on it for all times.

Anyone here been taught this heresy before?

I know of it, and have talked to Pastor's that believe it. Sadly, they don't know the Bible very well.

Scary theology.

The common thread among those who believe it is that they don't seem to read the OT much at all.

Its like they never read a single scripture of the prophets, and the prophets make up the majority of the OT.

(10-06-2015 12:29 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-06-2015 11:32 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  No. Never heard of this.

I think I had...but I actually thought it meant something else. Perhaps we should make sure it's even what the OP is saying it is.

EDIT...the description in the OP is fairly accurate.

To me, it doesn't sound that much like heresy. After all, Jesus brought the new covenant and paved the way for the spread of Christianity to the world to Gentiles as well as Jews. I can certainly ascertain heaven through Romans 10:9 regardless of what happens with the physical land of Israel.

No one was suggesting your salvation was tied to physical Israel in any way. Its not.

But the fact is the Bible prophecies over and over again they the Jews will be regathered in the end times and accept Jesus.

This has no real effect on Us as Gentile Christians, we are still in the same situation......the Jews are converting to US. Becoming Christians at the very end.

This is about the latter day remnant of the Jewish seed and nation.

Why can't we have a religion board separate from the politics? I really enjoy threads like this without the interference of politics.

Isaiah 52:7-10

7
How beautiful upon the mountains
Are the feet of him who brings good news,
Who proclaims peace,
Who brings glad tidings of good things,
Who proclaims salvation,
Who says to Zion,
“Your God reigns!”
8
Your watchmen shall lift up their voices,
With their voices they shall sing together;
For they shall see eye to eye
When the Lord brings back Zion.
9
Break forth into joy, sing together,
You waste places of Jerusalem!
For the Lord has comforted His people,
He has redeemed Jerusalem.
10
The Lord has made bare His holy arm (Christ)
In the eyes of all the nations;
And all the ends of the earth shall see
The salvation of our God.


Verse 7 is referenced in Romans 10:15 by Paul as being Christians coming and preaching the Salvation of Jesus Christ. We see the Christians prophesied as telling the Jews "Your God Reigns!". And in the latter days when the full or final remnant has come in, they see "eye to eye" over Jesus the Messiah.

Joel 3:1-2
1
“For behold, in those days and at that time,
When I bring back the captives of Judah and Jerusalem,
2
I will also gather all nations,
And bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat;
And I will enter into judgment with them there
On account of My people, My heritage Israel,
Whom they have scattered among the nations;
They have also divided up My land.


The text could not be more clear. A physical regather of Judah and Jerusalem (BOTH Kingdoms) in the latter days .


Isaiah 61:4-7
4
And they shall rebuild the old ruins,
They shall raise up the former desolations,
And they shall repair the ruined cities,
The desolations of many generations.

Ezekiel 37:15-23

15
Again the word of the Lord came to me, saying,
16
“As for you, son of man, take a stick for yourself and write on it: ‘For Judah and for the children of Israel, his companions.’ Then take another stick and write on it, ‘For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel, his companions.’
17
Then join them one to another for yourself into one stick, and they will become one in your hand.
18
“And when the children of your people speak to you, saying, ‘Will you not show us what you mean by these?’—
19
say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Surely I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel, his companions; and I will join them with it, with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they will be one in My hand.”’
20
And the sticks on which you write will be in your hand before their eyes.
21
“Then say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Surely I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, wherever they have gone, and will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land;
22
and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king over them all; they shall no longer be two nations, nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again.
23
They shall not defile themselves anymore with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions; but I will deliver them from all their dwelling places in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them. Then they shall be My people, and I will be their God.



We see here a clear prophecy of the reunification of the houses of Judah and Israel, which have been divided since Solomon died almost 3000 years ago.

Ezekiel 36:17-26

17
“Son of man, when the house of Israel dwelt in their own land, they defiled it by their own ways and deeds; to Me their way was like the uncleanness of a woman in her customary impurity.
18
Therefore I poured out My fury on them for the blood they had shed on the land, and for their idols with which they had defiled it.
19
So I scattered them among the nations, and they were dispersed throughout the countries; I judged them according to their ways and their deeds.
20
When they came to the nations, wherever they went, they profaned My holy name—when they said of them, ‘These are the people of the Lord, and yet they have gone out of His land.’
21
But I had concern for My holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the nations wherever they went.
22
“Therefore say to the house of Israel, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “I do not do this for your sake, O house of Israel, but for My holy name’s sake, which you have profaned among the nations wherever you went.
23
And I will sanctify My great name, which has been profaned among the nations, which you have profaned in their midst; and the nations shall know that I am the Lord,” says the Lord God, “when I am hallowed in you before their eyes.
24
For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land.
25
Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols.
26
I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.

Ezekiel 36:28-38

28
Then you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; you shall be My people, and I will be your God.
29
I will deliver you from all your uncleannesses. I will call for the grain and multiply it, and bring no famine upon you.
30
And I will multiply the fruit of your trees and the increase of your fields, so that you need never again bear the reproach of famine among the nations. 31
Then you will remember your evil ways and your deeds that were not good; and you will loathe yourselves in your own sight, for your iniquities and your abominations.
32
Not for your sake do I do this,” says the Lord God, “let it be known to you. Be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel!”
33
‘Thus says the Lord God: “On the day that I cleanse you from all your iniquities, I will also enable you to dwell in the cities, and the ruins shall be rebuilt.
34
The desolate land shall be tilled instead of lying desolate in the sight of all who pass by.
35
So they will say, ‘This land that was desolate has become like the garden of Eden; and the wasted, desolate, and ruined cities are now fortified and inhabited.’
36
Then the nations which are left all around you shall know that I, the Lord, have rebuilt the ruined places and planted what was desolate. I, the Lord, have spoken it, and I will do it.”
37 ‘
Thus says the Lord God: “I will also let the house of Israel inquire of Me to do this for them: I will increase their men like a flock.
38
Like a flock offered as holy sacrifices, like the flock at Jerusalem on its feast days, so shall the ruined cities be filled with flocks of men. Then they shall know that I am the Lord.”’”

These past several posts are the strongest evidence in favor of replacement theology I've seen yet.

(10-07-2015 10:48 AM)miko33 Wrote:  These past several posts are the strongest evidence in favor of replacement theology I've seen yet.

You gotta love this place for posts like that!

(10-07-2015 11:29 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(10-07-2015 10:48 AM)miko33 Wrote:  These past several posts are the strongest evidence in favor of replacement theology I've seen yet.

You gotta love this place for posts like that!

Just .