I completely with those who have said Gunner hasn't looked the part this year. Reiterating what others have said we are lucky to have 2 great QB's, but Gunner hasn't done anything to "earn" it (just because he was the starter last year) , you simply let the best player play. I have no issue with either going forward, but it is so nice to see what the future could have from a QB perspective after Gunner is gone. If Gunner is 100%, then i have no problem with him as the starter, but he may not be and maybe he hasn't been early this year.

I think the biggest issue I have is with the use of McKay. Yes, Boone should be the tailback in for 50% of the snaps, but the use of or better non use of McKay is mind boggling. McKay is 6'6" and runs like a 4.4 or 4.5 40. He is NFL caliber and will probably be playing on Sundays in the future, so why do we use him so sparingly?!? Every time he is utilized, it is potentially a big play and a mismatch.

(10-02-2015 09:49 AM)daap_bearcat97 Wrote:  I completely with those who have said Gunner hasn't looked the part this year. Reiterating what others have said we are lucky to have 2 great QB's, but Gunner hasn't done anything to "earn" it (just because he was the starter last year) , you simply let the best player play. I have no issue with either going forward, but it is so nice to see what the future could have from a QB perspective after Gunner is gone. If Gunner is 100%, then i have no problem with him as the starter, but he may not be and maybe he hasn't been early this year.

I think the biggest issue I have is with the use of McKay. Yes, Boone should be the tailback in for 50% of the snaps, but the use of or better non use of McKay is mind boggling. McKay is 6'6" and runs like a 4.4 or 4.5 40. He is NFL caliber and will probably be playing on Sundays in the future, so why do we use him so sparingly?!? Every time he is utilized, it is potentially a big play and a mismatch.

McKay has been hobbled up to this point. I think I saw a quote from Tuberville last week that indicated he was still not 100%.

(10-02-2015 09:41 AM)Bearcat2012 Wrote:  When healthy, Gunner is our QB for the next two years (we can put to rest him leaving for the NFL after this year) . We cant do from touting we have a potential first round NFL draft pick to benching him for a freshman whos had 2 good games who got an opportunity from an injured Kiel .

That said I'm excited as hell we have Moore to go to .Lets face it, on a good year we need 2 good QBs to carry the weight , sometimes 3 or 4 . Moore can be something special in a couple years. And with couple other good young QBs in the pipeline , things are looking strong

I'm with you. I see it like this: Gunner is a junior and a 5-star recruit who put up some legitimate numbers last year as a soph. Even with his recent struggles, he's still an NFL prospect. No way he leaves this year, but the staff is still going to want to showcase him for the 2017 draft. Whereas Moore is just a freshman. He's got 3 more years here after this year. We've got plenty of time to play him. Why rush it? Give Gunner this year and next, then Moore the 2 years after that. Obviously there can be a shakeup if Gunner REALLY struggles, or gets hurt again (likely), but I think this is the plan they're aiming for.

(10-02-2015 09:49 AM)daap_bearcat97 Wrote:  I completely with those who have said Gunner hasn't looked the part this year. Reiterating what others have said we are lucky to have 2 great QB's, but Gunner hasn't done anything to "earn" it (just because he was the starter last year) , you simply let the best player play. I have no issue with either going forward, but it is so nice to see what the future could have from a QB perspective after Gunner is gone. If Gunner is 100%, then i have no problem with him as the starter, but he may not be and maybe he hasn't been early this year.

I think the biggest issue I have is with the use of McKay. Yes, Boone should be the tailback in for 50% of the snaps, but the use of or better non use of McKay is mind boggling. McKay is 6'6" and runs like a 4.4 or 4.5 40. He is NFL caliber and will probably be playing on Sundays in the future, so why do we use him so sparingly?!? Every time he is utilized, it is potentially a big play and a mismatch.

Gunner hasn't looked the part this year? I'm not sure he looked the part last year with the exception of the 1st half against Toledo.
McKay is injured. He scores on that long pass last night if 100% healthy.

(10-02-2015 07:35 AM)BigDawg Wrote:  Gunner is the more proven option and Moore is still a freshman and he still doe snot have the full offense at his disposal. Gunner looks more comfortable, though he has battled turnovers as well. But I think at this point, the offense works better with Gunner, though with his injury history, glad to have Moore. If Moore wins the job, fine with me, but Gunner seems to be the better option at this time.

I have not seen Gunner look comfortable all year. In the Miami(oh) game he had happy feet the entire time. He has rushed throws in the Temple, Miami(oh).

(10-02-2015 10:39 AM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(10-02-2015 07:35 AM)BigDawg Wrote:  Gunner is the more proven option and Moore is still a freshman and he still doe snot have the full offense at his disposal. Gunner looks more comfortable, though he has battled turnovers as well. But I think at this point, the offense works better with Gunner, though with his injury history, glad to have Moore. If Moore wins the job, fine with me, but Gunner seems to be the better option at this time.

I have not seen Gunner look comfortable all year. In the Miami(oh) game he had happy feet the entire time. He has rushed throws in the Temple, Miami(oh).

I really think they should scale back the playbook some for him as well. He just has too much on his plate. It's obvious through his body language that he isn't comfortable with what he's doing. With the WR's they have they shouldn't need a huge playbook that can create confusion. The WR's are going to out talent every back 7 they are going to face this season. Simplify it, and let the WR's out-talent their opponents.

(10-02-2015 08:47 AM)BigDawg Wrote:  The offense is scaled back for Moore, or at least that seems to be the case. Gunner is asked to do much more and the offense can do so much more with him under center. Now some of that may be not having Chris Moore and Holton, but we use more of the field with Gunner running the offense. But Moore has shown he can make plenty of plays. Both make their share of mistakes and Moore got away with a few passes last night (Though Gunner has as well). I'm happy with either, just think Gunner is more suited to get the most out of our offense at this time.

Especially at the college level, there just isn't a significant advantage to having an overly complex offense. Scaling back the offense is a good thing and something Gran has struggled with at UC.

Personally, I would prefer to sit him the rest of the season to make sure everything is OK. Assuming both are on the roster, let them compete next year and I expect Kiel to start wk1 2016.

Lots of good points.

But the elephant in the room is that Moore is a better QB.

I am not sure I have watched a college game this year and seen a QB who throws a better ball.

Best qb should play regardless of star rankings or nfl draft prospects. Right now it looks like Moore. He really only had 2-3 'misses' last night. I liked the playcalling last night. The throws out to shaq in the seam were great. If Moore gives us the best chance to win I'll take him.

(10-02-2015 11:45 AM)Eastside_J Wrote:  Lots of good points.

But the elephant in the room is that Moore is a better QB.

I am not sure I have watched a college game this year and seen a QB who throws a better ball.

I could not agree more. The touch on his deep ball is outstanding.

Also, he somehow throws a ball with zip that seems to land in the reecievers' hands softly. Hard to explain.

Let's not forget Ross Trail for the future.

(10-02-2015 10:52 AM)qsilvr2531 Wrote:  

(10-02-2015 08:47 AM)BigDawg Wrote:  The offense is scaled back for Moore, or at least that seems to be the case. Gunner is asked to do much more and the offense can do so much more with him under center. Now some of that may be not having Chris Moore and Holton, but we use more of the field with Gunner running the offense. But Moore has shown he can make plenty of plays. Both make their share of mistakes and Moore got away with a few passes last night (Though Gunner has as well). I'm happy with either, just think Gunner is more suited to get the most out of our offense at this time.

Especially at the college level, there just isn't a significant advantage to having an overly complex offense. Scaling back the offense is a good thing and something Gran has struggled with at UC.

100% agree. No need to get complex in the passing game when the talent you have at WR is far better than every secondary you face.

(10-02-2015 12:08 PM)Racinejake Wrote:  Best qb should play regardless of star rankings or nfl draft prospects. Right now it looks like Moore. He really only had 2-3 'misses' last night. I liked the playcalling last night. The throws out to shaq in the seam were great. If Moore gives us the best chance to win I'll take him.

I cant argue with any of that. He has great touch on his passes, something most QB's always struggle with. I just think that if you scale back the playbook in similar fashion for Gunner you're going to get really good results as well.

Tubs speaks.....

“They’ll both compete,” Tuberville said. “I want both of them to be out there helping each other and competing against each other. It’s good to have two guys now that you know you can put in the game, and they help each other.



“It’s going to be a friendly competition. I’m not going to let it be anything other than that, and let the best man go. In two games, Hayden has done a real good job. An excellent job.”

As for Kiel:

“It’s really going to be good to have him back.”

In 1.75 games, Hayden Moore has thrown for 800+ yards, 6 TDs and 2 picks.

He's also run for a TD.

I think the "you don't lose your job to an injury" trope is outdated. You play the kid that gives you the best chance to win. Admittedly, I'm a Moore homer, but you don't sit one kid because you think you owe some other kid.

I don't think Gunner has looked healthy all year. Right now I would continue to play Moore unless he falls apart. I am not putting Gunner out there until he 100 percent healthy and ready to go. Wouldn't mind a situation in a few weeks to see the Cats blow out UConn and UCF with both getting snaps.

It's a great problem to have. You have to be upfront with the kids and let them know the guys who performs the best plays. You do it any other way and you have a double standard. Also, I agree there is no reason to trot Kiel out there if he is not 100%.

(10-02-2015 03:57 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  I don't think Gunner has looked healthy all year. Right now I would continue to play Moore unless he falls apart. I am not putting Gunner out there until he 100 percent healthy and ready to go. Wouldn't mind a situation in a few weeks to see the Cats blow out UConn and UCF with both getting snaps.

^^^ This. I said to others that he did not look completely healed when watching him move and throw.

This audio from today of Hoard interviewing CTT says little, but may say a lot.

CTT sounds much less committed to Gunner having the job when he gets back than previous interviews I think.

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