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CBS Sports College Hoops Mailbag: Big East Expansion?
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Thread subject is the title of his vid clip on CBS sports. Sam Vecenie discusses idea of Big East expansion, mentions Dayton and St Louis as candidates.
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Dayton I don't believe adds much to the Big East. Its not like they will be building an NBA caliber arena anytime soon.

I would make a play for UConn who could then go independent in football and sign a BYU type deal with ESPN.

BYU's schedule as an Independent is not that much different than an AAC schedule. Connecticut could play BYU and also UMass late in November every year alleviating scheduling pressure.
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RE: CBS Sports College Hoops Mailbag: Big East Expansion?
If the Big East was forced to add teams today, Saint Louis and Dayton would be the only two realistic adds the conference could make. Both have schools have arenas that seat over (or close to) 10k, have a clear drive in their athletics programs towards men's basketball, and bring new large markets (yes, Dayton is a separate TV market than Cincinnati). Unfortunately, and realistically, if you look at where Dayton and Saint Louis would finish in the Big East in men's basketball, you question whether they add value to the conference. Dayton, with Archie Miller, would undoubtedly finish in the middle-to-top-half of the league fairly consistently, and Saint Louis, under Jim Crews, would challenge Seton Hall and DePaul for 10th, 11th or 12th in the conference. Would those two situations add overall value to the Big East? I would think that Fox, the Big East presidents and Val Ackermann would think not.

Schools like Wichita State and VCU, while strong basketball programs in new markets and no football, would have a tough time being accepted in with a 10-school league with a clear private/Catholic focus. Schools within conferences love similar institutions being accepted into their club (Nebraska/Rutgers - B1G, Missouri/Texas A&M - SEC, Colorado/Utah - PAC-12), and WSU and VCU don't fit the mold of what the Big East currently is - from an institutional perspective, right or wrong as that is.

UConn, as been stressed and reiterated time and time again on these boards, is a pipe dream for the conference and will not be headed back to the Big East - unless some sort of doomsday scenario occurs.

The league, for the first time since the 80's, looks to be viewing expansion from a position of selection and choice rather than reaction and impulse. They can take their time in any expansion talks and not have to worry about any schools leaving for greener pastures. They are in, what is perceived by national pundits, a power basketball conference with a very lucrative TV deal. They can afford to continue (re)build the league and its reputation, waiting to see how the collegiate landscape changes over the next several years.
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I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Uconn. With the announcement that the Big Ten considers them to be P5, they're set up quite nicely like BYU. Scheduling, which is often cited as the biggest impediment to FBS independence would be easy for Uconn now. BYU, UMass, Army on the schedule every year. Add an FCS opponent, a Big Ten opponent, Buffalo or Stony Brook. You're easily at 6 games. All these opponents except the Big Ten could be scheduled in the latter half of the season, no problem. September could see one of the AAC schools, another MAC school again without any effort.

As far as tv rights, if the Big East allowed Uconn to monetize its out of conference men's basketball games and its women's games, Uconn would be looking at northwards of $15 million a year.

The Big East would have their Great Satan that tv wod adore. Nova Uconn. GTown Uconn. PC UConn. These would be killer for Fox Sports.
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RE: CBS Sports College Hoops Mailbag: Big East Expansion?
St Louis only won 3 games in the A-10 last year.
Dayton could have a nice rivalry with Xavier and Butler in the Midwest. Their average home attendance of 12K is impressive. (certainly an option)
Gonzaga would be a great addition but is 3 time zones away from NYC. Too far away.
VCU & Wichita State don't play football (which is good) but don't really fit the profile of the current members.
Just stay at 10 for now.
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Wichita State seems does not have any interests in the Big Least. They have their eyes on MWC. If they really want to leave the MVC for MWC, they have to readd football. If they join? You might suspect Eastern Washington, Portland State or Sacramento State be added to the West side.
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I have a hard time seeing any G5 conference add any non-football members for basketball purposes. Disregarding the fact that the Mountain West has never had a non-football member in the conference in its 20-year history, what gain it would it have for Wichita State? It would create more travel within a weaker basketball conference and, unless another non-football school was added, WSU would be the only non-football school in the conference.

There's a reason why none of the power conferences have split members in football/basketball. The Old Big East tried it for nearly 30 years, and, after numerous shakeups in membership, it led to the reconfiguration of the conference and the creation of an another.
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(09-27-2015 06:27 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  I have a hard time seeing any G5 conference add any non-football members for basketball purposes. Disregarding the fact that the Mountain West has never had a non-football member in the conference in its 20-year history, what gain it would it have for Wichita State? It would create more travel within a weaker basketball conference and, unless another non-football school was added, WSU would be the only non-football school in the conference.

There's a reason why none of the power conferences have split members in football/basketball. The Old Big East tried it for nearly 30 years, and, after numerous shakeups in membership, it led to the reconfiguration of the conference and the creation of an another.

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(09-27-2015 06:09 PM)Burrito Wrote:  St Louis only won 3 games in the A-10 last year.
But the Bills did have 3 very strong seasons before that. Could be a one-year blip (or maybe not).

Agree that Dayton would be a strong add, for a lot of reasons.

Quote:Just stay at 10 for now.
Agree, that is what will happen.
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Notre Dame, while certainly owning the most unique membership status in the country, still is contractually bound to play five ACC opponents each season. While not officially an ACC football member, they still present tremendous advantages to the ACC and its football teams - not just as an opponent, but as a national fan base and national television coverage. Few schools in the country could present such a valuable and exclusive membership agreement to any conference.
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SLU's blip of success was due, in large part, to Rick Majerus - who tragically passed away a few seasons ago. He recruited the players, raised awareness and excitement with the men's program, and got the school behind basketball like no previous coach is a long time. Jim Crews has not been able to recruit the level of players that Majerus did, and it finally became revealed last season. Unfortunately, all the positive momentum Majerus started has clearly stalled under Crews' watch.
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(09-27-2015 05:25 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Would those two situations add overall value to the Big East? I would think that Fox, the Big East presidents and Val Ackermann would think not.
We kind of have the answer as to whether Fox & the Big East Presidents think they do ... otherwise the Big East would have added them already.
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(09-27-2015 04:40 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Dayton I don't believe adds much to the Big East. Its not like they will be building an NBA caliber arena anytime soon.

I would make a play for UConn who could then go independent in football and sign a BYU type deal with ESPN.

BYU's schedule as an Independent is not that much different than an AAC schedule. Connecticut could play BYU and also UMass late in November every year alleviating scheduling pressure.

If ESPN were the least bit interested in UConn football, it would be at a price at least as low as their current share from the AAC, and probably lower. UConn has nowhere near BYU's stature when it comes to football. They would have a much harder time finding FBS opponents, and there is no market for games against schools like UMass and Army.
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(09-27-2015 06:09 PM)Burrito Wrote:  St Louis only won 3 games in the A-10 last year.
Dayton could have a nice rivalry with Xavier and Butler in the Midwest. Their home attendance of 12K is impressive. (certainly an option)
Gonzaga would be a great addition but is 3 time zones away from NYC. Too far away.
VCU & Wichita State don't play football (which is good) but don't really fit the profile of the current members either.
Just stay at 10 for now.

This. We still have 10 more years on the Fox contract. There is no rush, I love the round robin schedule.
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(09-27-2015 07:13 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(09-27-2015 04:40 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Dayton I don't believe adds much to the Big East. Its not like they will be building an NBA caliber arena anytime soon.

I would make a play for UConn who could then go independent in football and sign a BYU type deal with ESPN.

BYU's schedule as an Independent is not that much different than an AAC schedule. Connecticut could play BYU and also UMass late in November every year alleviating scheduling pressure.

If ESPN were the least bit interested in UConn football, it would be at a price at least as low as their current share from the AAC, and probably lower. UConn has nowhere near BYU's stature when it comes to football. They would have a much harder time finding FBS opponents, and there is no market for games against schools like UMass and Army.

They would be getting another 2 million per year from the BE contract over the AAC not including what they could get on the open market for their TV rights.

I suspect UConn could be worth something on the open market in football since the entire state of Connecticut is its market. Not quite BYU money but maybe 4 million per year.

Combined between the BE and FB Indy UConn could be pulling in an 5-6 million in TV money. They would lose about 2 million in access bowl money and the automatic bid access but that isn't too important to UConn who will likely never sniff an access bowl anyway.
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Exactly. Not every UConn game opponent has to be the game of the century. But UConn can easily get marquee home games. They had Michigan. They have Tennessee. If the Big Ten doesn't reup to any great extent with esp, espn gets a backdoor Big Ten game.

Their tv ratings are solid. Anti Uconn fans just have to acknowledge that even a poor performing UConn team gets good ratings. Look at the Mizzou UConn game.
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With ESPn scaling back, why would they want UConn football? BYU is in the west and can have later start times. Aside from being a better football program, that makes them more valuable.
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For a variety of reasons, BYU's fb brand, west coast (mainly) start times, ESPN cutbacks, might be worth more. At the same time, UConn garners stronger ratings. But in the era of cutbacks, would UConn take less? I'm sure they would. Taking less from the indy deal still means taking more than from the AAC contract. BYU get between $800k and 1.2 m per home game.

Given UConn's ratings versus BYU, even if they settle for $300k per game that is considerably more than the AAC contract.
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UConn isn't going back to the Big East. Not just because of football, but women's basketball as well. If UConn goes Big East, all their prime time games are gone for women's basketball. That kills the program.
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(09-27-2015 07:13 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(09-27-2015 04:40 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Dayton I don't believe adds much to the Big East. Its not like they will be building an NBA caliber arena anytime soon.

I would make a play for UConn who could then go independent in football and sign a BYU type deal with ESPN.

BYU's schedule as an Independent is not that much different than an AAC schedule. Connecticut could play BYU and also UMass late in November every year alleviating scheduling pressure.

If ESPN were the least bit interested in UConn football, it would be at a price at least as low as their current share from the AAC, and probably lower. UConn has nowhere near BYU's stature when it comes to football. They would have a much harder time finding FBS opponents, and there is no market for games against schools like UMass and Army.

BE contract > AAC contract. If UConn was in the BE, their fb team could give the rights to their games to ESPN/FOX/NBC and still come out on top from a media payout perspective. That said, TV payouts are only one piece of the equation.
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