Just watched the opening of the game against Illinois on ESPN3 ... holy crap. There looked to be 15,000 very spread apart people there.

ACC football is on the way up.

Crowds won't come back until we stop playing Mickey Mouse football. Fedora must go.

Hasn't UNC always played garbage football? You haven't been good since...ever.

How is it the ACC has 4 teams in one state (which is horrible for any conference) and they are all out drawn by ECU?

That says everything about the ACC.


And I'll say it again, UNC has so much going for it, it has to actively work to be so bad in football. Them and UVA should be the Stanford of the east coast in football......

(09-22-2015 09:09 PM)nole Wrote:  How is it the ACC has 4 teams in one state (which is horrible for any conference) and they are all out drawn by ECU?

That says everything about the ACC.


And I'll say it again, UNC has so much going for it, it has to actively work to be so bad in football. Them and UVA should be the Stanford of the east coast in football......

Big difference is Stanford wants to be successful in football.

http://wncn.com/2015/09/21/attendance-wo...ora-heels/

Quote:Anyone who watched North Carolina dominate Illinois on ESPN2 Saturday probably noticed one thing: a stunningly small crowd at Kenan Stadium.

The Tar Heels posted a 48-14 drubbing of the Illini, the largest margin of victory over a team from a top five conference since 2010. Carolina beat Virginia 44-10 Oct. 16, 2010.`

The school announced an attendance of 41,000 Saturday but Kenan Stadium’s aluminum bleachers dominated wide shots on television.

You guys don't see the dynamic that exists in the triangle area of NC where UNC, Duke, and NC State are all within a half an hour of each other. 3 power 5 teams within a 30 minute radius is ridiculous and I don't think exists anywhere else in the country. Two Saturdays ago all 3 teams had home football games at EXACTLY the same time. How stupid is that? UNC seats 63k for football. NC State is about 57k. Duke is about 33k. So you're talking about almost 150k capacity for football in the same area of the state.

Second, UNC's parking situation is atrocious. The stadium is in the middle of campus and shares a parking lot with the hospital. However, there have been times in the past where fans showed up. Right now empty seats have a lot to do with the product on the field. I firmly believe if this team starts winning again, then the attendance will be better.

(09-22-2015 09:54 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  You guys don't see the dynamic that exists in the triangle area of NC where UNC, Duke, and NC State are all within a half an hour of each other. 3 power 5 teams within a 30 minute radius is ridiculous and I don't think exists anywhere else in the country. Two Saturdays ago all 3 teams had home football games at EXACTLY the same time. How stupid is that? UNC seats 63k for football. NC State is about 57k. Duke is about 33k. So you're talking about almost 150k capacity for football in the same area of the state.

Second, UNC's parking situation is atrocious. The stadium is in the middle of campus and shares a parking lot with the hospital. However, there have been times in the past where fans showed up. Right now empty seats have a lot to do with the product on the field. I firmly believe if this team starts winning again, then the attendance will be better.

Yet Clemson and South Carolina don't have much of a problem drawing more fans in a state with around half the population of North Carolina.

Attendance is a function of whether fans think (1) the home team has a shot a winning, and (2) the home team has a chance to have a truly meaningful season.

IMO, UNC fans largely quit on Fedora after the 2 drubbings by ECU. Will this win over Illinois - the first OOC P5 win for the Heels in what seems like forever - bring fans back? We'll see how many show up for this week's easy win over Delaware...

(09-22-2015 09:52 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  http://wncn.com/2015/09/21/attendance-wo...ora-heels/

Quote:Anyone who watched North Carolina dominate Illinois on ESPN2 Saturday probably noticed one thing: a stunningly small crowd at Kenan Stadium.

The Tar Heels posted a 48-14 drubbing of the Illini, the largest margin of victory over a team from a top five conference since 2010. Carolina beat Virginia 44-10 Oct. 16, 2010.`

The school announced an attendance of 41,000 Saturday but Kenan Stadium’s aluminum bleachers dominated wide shots on television.

Guessin' They still wouldn't allow Fans in the Cheap Seats to "Come on Down "

(09-23-2015 04:46 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Attendance is a function of whether fans think (1) the home team has a shot a winning, and (2) the home team has a chance to have a truly meaningful season.

IMO, UNC fans largely quit on Fedora after the 2 drubbings by ECU. Will this win over Illinois - the first OOC P5 win for the Heels in what seems like forever - bring fans back? We'll see how many show up for this week's easy win over Delaware...

Doesn't explain Duke's horrible attendance Sat against a RANKED team.

(09-22-2015 09:54 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  You guys don't see the dynamic that exists in the triangle area of NC where UNC, Duke, and NC State are all within a half an hour of each other. 3 power 5 teams within a 30 minute radius is ridiculous and I don't think exists anywhere else in the country. Two Saturdays ago all 3 teams had home football games at EXACTLY the same time. How stupid is that? UNC seats 63k for football. NC State is about 57k. Duke is about 33k. So you're talking about almost 150k capacity for football in the same area of the state.

Second, UNC's parking situation is atrocious. The stadium is in the middle of campus and shares a parking lot with the hospital. However, there have been times in the past where fans showed up. Right now empty seats have a lot to do with the product on the field. I firmly believe if this team starts winning again, then the attendance will be better.

There's approx 10,000,000 people in North Carolina.

EDIT: That includes over 2,000,000 alone in the Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill area.

ECU isn't very far from there and they don't seem to have a problem getting people to games. I guess I don't understand the dynamic of the area. The Louisville-Lexington corridor is as basketball crazy as anywhere in North Carolina, but we care a lot, if not more about football. I'm really surprised there isn't more of a football following in NC.

(09-22-2015 09:09 PM)nole Wrote:  How is it the ACC has 4 teams in one state (which is horrible for any conference) and they are all out drawn by ECU?

There isn't much else to do in Greenville, NC & all points east in the fall except go to ECU football games.

(09-23-2015 08:00 AM)Lucy Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 09:09 PM)nole Wrote:  How is it the ACC has 4 teams in one state (which is horrible for any conference) and they are all out drawn by ECU?

There isn't much else to do in Greenville, NC & all points east in the fall except go to ECU football games.

So Duke area has lots to do during football but not basketball season?


Bottom line is.....if the ACC is P5 and wants to stay there.....it needs football fans. It doesn't have them and revenue disparity is starting to reflect.

ACC is just the old Big East and it is a problem.

Maybe it's just Me but I think that Uniforms can play a key role in getting new and more fans on board. I like the UNC light blue but it just doesn't "POP" on the football field. The Navy Blue color is a much stronger look as well as say a Black and Blue jersey would. I know it's tradition but some change could be just enough to fire up the fanbase. No You don't have to pull a Maryland type uniform to do it.

(09-22-2015 09:54 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  You guys don't see the dynamic that exists in the triangle area of NC where UNC, Duke, and NC State are all within a half an hour of each other. 3 power 5 teams within a 30 minute radius is ridiculous and I don't think exists anywhere else in the country. Two Saturdays ago all 3 teams had home football games at EXACTLY the same time. How stupid is that? UNC seats 63k for football. NC State is about 57k. Duke is about 33k. So you're talking about almost 150k capacity for football in the same area of the state.

Second, UNC's parking situation is atrocious. The stadium is in the middle of campus and shares a parking lot with the hospital. However, there have been times in the past where fans showed up. Right now empty seats have a lot to do with the product on the field. I firmly believe if this team starts winning again, then the attendance will be better.

Sorry, but UNC's parking situation has ALWAYS been atrocious, but they drew better crowds when John Bunting was the head coach.

You might be able to sell me on the idea of it being a noon kickoff, because typically noon kickoffs don't appear to draw the same as evening games. Duke had the same issue on Saturday, too.

(Although it didn't keep the Northwestern fans away -- I was impressed at how they represented)

Anyways, back to topic:

This, to me, has a lot to do with the brand of football that Larry Fedora has brought to Carolina, combined with the continued fallout from the sanctions.

Maybe $50-60 for a ticket is too much in the Triangle area when so many other options are available to us now.

But, no -- the parking situation at Carolina has nothing to do with the lack of turn out.

I think North Carolina and Duke football are much like Kentucky football. Wake and Virginia are much like Vanderbilt football, also.

(09-23-2015 08:04 AM)nole Wrote:  

(09-23-2015 08:00 AM)Lucy Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 09:09 PM)nole Wrote:  How is it the ACC has 4 teams in one state (which is horrible for any conference) and they are all out drawn by ECU?

There isn't much else to do in Greenville, NC & all points east in the fall except go to ECU football games.

So Duke area has lots to do during football but not basketball season?

Actually, nole, the Triangle has lot of 'outdoor social options' during September and October so the Triangle schools are competing against themselves AND the growing social life.

Raleigh Beer Week is this week --

I know you want to troll, but, since I live here, I can speak to that.

Greenville -- there is NOTHING to do in G-Vegas BUT go to a football game. It is what it is.