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RE: The Hall, AKA "Kaplan Arena" Renovation for 2022
Just heard that they plan to use parts of Kaplan for classroom space so that people can be spaced out. Wightman rm for instance. Not sure if theyre having any in the main arena for bigger classes like Intro to Bio.
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RE: The Hall, AKA "Kaplan Arena" Renovation for 2022
I would be very surprised if the Kaplan renovation project begins on time.
Even with the money in hand, seems like so much is up in the air -- not just for W&M financially, but for anyone involved with the planning and, of course, the physical process of making the actual upgrades.
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RE: The Hall, AKA "Kaplan Arena" Renovation for 2022
Optimistically targeting 2022 as the first season in a renovated Kaplan, it's not too early to project who we'd like to see Huge and Fischer bring in to open it with? If things are not delayed, then two years out is time to start solidifying that home schedule.
Modest opener to hopefully get a W for the opening crowd, then a bigger program scheduled later, as JMU has done, or start with top drawer?
Either way, I hope it will be games of strong fan interest. If it will be a more modest team to start, I'd like to see it be a rivalry game, i.e.- ODU, VCU, even Richmond, then an ACC team to follow.
Staff has work cut out to make something worthy happen. Nothing wrong with giving them a sense of who the fanbase would like to see.
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RE: The Hall, AKA "Kaplan Arena" Renovation for 2022
(08-20-2020 01:55 PM)Tribeheart Wrote: Optimistically targeting 2022 as the first season in a renovated Kaplan, it's not too early to project who we'd like to see Huge and Fischer bring in to open it with? If things are not delayed, then two years out is time to start solidifying that home schedule.
Modest opener to hopefully get a W for the opening crowd, then a bigger program scheduled later, as JMU has done, or start with top drawer?
Either way, I hope it will be games of strong fan interest. If it will be a more modest team to start, I'd like to see it be a rivalry game, i.e.- ODU, VCU, even Richmond, then an ACC team to follow.
Staff has work cut out to make something worthy happen. Nothing wrong with giving them a sense of who the fanbase would like to see.
The biggest point against bringing in a local rival is not taking a chance that the shine of a new facility brings a larger opposing fan base. As we've covered time and time again here, if W&M is good then our fans show up, even to the point of being able to stave off VCU or ODU fans. So I guess it's a risk/reward analysis to be done there.
It would be nice to get Stanford to come to this coast as a trade-off for the lost football game. :) Maybe not for the opener though.
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RE: The Hall, AKA "Kaplan Arena" Renovation for 2022
Work is underway for scheduling the Stanford football game to another year in the '20s.
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RE: The Hall, AKA "Kaplan Arena" Renovation for 2022
(08-20-2020 01:55 PM)Tribeheart Wrote: Optimistically targeting 2022 as the first season in a renovated Kaplan, it's not too early to project who we'd like to see Huge and Fischer bring in to open it with? If things are not delayed, then two years out is time to start solidifying that home schedule.
Modest opener to hopefully get a W for the opening crowd, then a bigger program scheduled later, as JMU has done, or start with top drawer?
Either way, I hope it will be games of strong fan interest. If it will be a more modest team to start, I'd like to see it be a rivalry game, i.e.- ODU, VCU, even Richmond, then an ACC team to follow.
Staff has work cut out to make something worthy happen. Nothing wrong with giving them a sense of who the fanbase would like to see.
Anybody but UNC.
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RE: The Hall, AKA "Kaplan Arena" Renovation for 2022
(08-21-2020 02:05 PM)Zorch Wrote: (08-20-2020 01:55 PM)Tribeheart Wrote: Optimistically targeting 2022 as the first season in a renovated Kaplan, it's not too early to project who we'd like to see Huge and Fischer bring in to open it with? If things are not delayed, then two years out is time to start solidifying that home schedule.
Modest opener to hopefully get a W for the opening crowd, then a bigger program scheduled later, as JMU has done, or start with top drawer?
Either way, I hope it will be games of strong fan interest. If it will be a more modest team to start, I'd like to see it be a rivalry game, i.e.- ODU, VCU, even Richmond, then an ACC team to follow.
Staff has work cut out to make something worthy happen. Nothing wrong with giving them a sense of who the fanbase would like to see.
Anybody but UNC.
Unless they use their bus as a dressing room, again.
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The Hall, AKA "Kaplan Arena" Renovation for 2022
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RE: The Hall, AKA "Kaplan Arena" Renovation for 2022
UVA would be good. Back in my day, the bigger game then at the Hall was Virginia Tech. The atmosphere of that game was on par if not better than ODU. I would take either one.
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RE: The Hall, AKA "Kaplan Arena" Renovation for 2022
While any of those teams would be great, if we want someone with relevance to us, my guess is ODU or Mason are the only options. No one else has shown a willingness to play us at Kaplan. Maybe Richmond would, but I'd be skeptical of even that given the history. None of UVA, Tech, UNC, whichever high major teams are going to give us a home game.
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RE: The Hall, AKA "Kaplan Arena" Renovation for 2022
(08-23-2020 09:27 AM)Tribe2011 Wrote: While any of those teams would be great, if we want someone with relevance to us, my guess is ODU or Mason are the only options. No one else has shown a willingness to play us at Kaplan. Maybe Richmond would, but I'd be skeptical of even that given the history. None of UVA, Tech, UNC, whichever high major teams are going to give us a home game.
Didn't UVA agree to play at JMU recently? I think we can get it done with a new venue.
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RE: The Hall, AKA "Kaplan Arena" Renovation for 2022
(08-23-2020 09:49 AM)zablenoise Wrote: (08-23-2020 09:27 AM)Tribe2011 Wrote: While any of those teams would be great, if we want someone with relevance to us, my guess is ODU or Mason are the only options. No one else has shown a willingness to play us at Kaplan. Maybe Richmond would, but I'd be skeptical of even that given the history. None of UVA, Tech, UNC, whichever high major teams are going to give us a home game.
Didn't UVA agree to play at JMU recently? I think we can get it done with a new venue.
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No chance. The new arena will just make it more of a home advantage. Better teams don't want to play us because of the risk of losing a game to us.
If we start winning 20 games a year and make the dance, I could see us moving to a different conference where that type of competition makes more sense. An easy example is Butler. They never got much love until they moved to the Big East. Now they get other big name teams at home. Their arena holds about 9000 so we may need to flex on seating if we want to move up.
(This post was last modified: 08-23-2020 11:13 AM by Tribe32.)
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RE: The Hall, AKA "Kaplan Arena" Renovation for 2022
(08-23-2020 10:09 AM)Tribe32 Wrote: (08-23-2020 09:49 AM)zablenoise Wrote: (08-23-2020 09:27 AM)Tribe2011 Wrote: While any of those teams would be great, if we want someone with relevance to us, my guess is ODU or Mason are the only options. No one else has shown a willingness to play us at Kaplan. Maybe Richmond would, but I'd be skeptical of even that given the history. None of UVA, Tech, UNC, whichever high major teams are going to give us a home game.
Didn't UVA agree to play at JMU recently? I think we can get it done with a new venue.
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No chance. The new arena will just make it more of a home advantage. Better teams don't want to play us because of the risk of losing a game to us.
If we start winning 20 games a year and make the dance, I could us moving to a different conference where that type of competition makes more sense. An easy example is Butler. They never got much love until they moved to the Big East. Now they get other big name teams at home. Their arena holds about 9000 so we may need to flex on seating if we want to move up.
I was going to say, why would a bigger conference want us to come in with a smaller limited seating arena? But ultimately, conference interest would be solely based on the ability to consistently make the tournament and the money that comes with it.
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RE: The Hall, AKA "Kaplan Arena" Renovation for 2022
UVA played here at least once during the Bruce Parkhill years.
I attended the game with some recent W&M and UVA grads.
I think we may have won.
Our UVA friends were surprised by the intensity of our crowd.
They thought the behavior of our students was borish.
Imagine UVA grads labeling others as borish.
The atmosphere was similar to that big win over UNC during that era.
Our fans and students have potential to be intimidating if we can just
give them a consistent winner to keep everyone motivated.
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RE: The Hall, AKA "Kaplan Arena" Renovation for 2022
(08-23-2020 11:03 AM)DSL Wrote: UVA played here at least once during the Bruce Parkhill years.
I attended the game with some recent W&M and UVA grads.
I think we may have won.
Our UVA friends were surprised by the intensity of our crowd.
They thought the behavior of our students was borish.
Imagine UVA grads labeling others as borish.
The atmosphere was similar to that big win over UNC during that era.
Our fans and students have potential to be intimidating if we can just
give them a consistent winner to keep everyone motivated.
70s and 80s were a lot different. Back then the ACC had a real crappy regional TV deal, ESPN was just starting in 1978, and that was about it. Teams made their revenue from ticket sales. The NCAA tournament was only 16 teams until 1975 and 32 until 1985.
Teams knew that we would draw between 5-10k fans for big weekend games. Teams like ODU, JMU, George Mason, and VCU were just getting established.
We played a LOT of big names overall, and a lot at home. We would consistently get UVA, West Virginia, Wake Forest, VA Tech, Maryland, and UNC for home games. Others like NC State, Rutgers, and Georgetown played us at home.
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RE: The Hall, AKA "Kaplan Arena" Renovation for 2022
(08-23-2020 09:00 AM)Sitting bull Wrote: UVA would be good. Back in my day, the bigger game then at the Hall was Virginia Tech. The atmosphere of that game was on par if not better than ODU. I would take either one.
There is always a case to be made for going the "traditional" route for a grand opening/reopening. Hosting UVA fits the mold. It's what the hyphen schools in NC did with UNC when they opened a new venue. A game with UVA would be a sellout. There is an outside chance of an upset. The more likely outcome is UVA wins in a game officiated by ACC officials with a style of play that is unarguably successful, but usually dreadful from an entertainment perspective. Highlights, mostly by UVA are on ESPN and exposure is limited.
I think the College should shoot for a different, bigger splash and longer lasting story/narrative. College leadership should approach a network about covering the opening game with Howard or another HBCU that has attracted a blue chip recruit or recruits who spurned the Power 5. This opening game is part of a four team tournament the network can cover. The night cap is Harvard vs High Point. This second game might come with its own interesting story line by 2022. Winners play the late game the second night.
Which opening gives the College more bang for the buck? Cost to pitch the idea is zero.
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RE: The Hall, AKA "Kaplan Arena" Renovation for 2022
Love the idea, Florida tribe fan. Create a two day festival atmosphere with the timely narrative to open the arena.
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RE: The Hall, AKA "Kaplan Arena" Renovation for 2022
(08-23-2020 10:09 AM)Tribe32 Wrote: (08-23-2020 09:49 AM)zablenoise Wrote: (08-23-2020 09:27 AM)Tribe2011 Wrote: While any of those teams would be great, if we want someone with relevance to us, my guess is ODU or Mason are the only options. No one else has shown a willingness to play us at Kaplan. Maybe Richmond would, but I'd be skeptical of even that given the history. None of UVA, Tech, UNC, whichever high major teams are going to give us a home game.
Didn't UVA agree to play at JMU recently? I think we can get it done with a new venue.
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No chance. The new arena will just make it more of a home advantage. Better teams don't want to play us because of the risk of losing a game to us.
If we start winning 20 games a year and make the dance, I could see us moving to a different conference where that type of competition makes more sense. An easy example is Butler. They never got much love until they moved to the Big East. Now they get other big name teams at home. Their arena holds about 9000 so we may need to flex on seating if we want to move up.
FACT:
JMU shows they have UVA as a home game on 11/19/20 at their new arena as a return game for playing at UVA last year.
JMU did a great job of scheduling other games at home for MBB to open the arena as they have lineup of:
Maryland Eastern Shore
Longwood
UVA
Mount St. Mary's
Radford
GMU
Fordham
ODU
Not a bad model to use but requires planning more than a year in advance! Hope Covid-19 does not destroy it.
(This post was last modified: 08-28-2020 12:43 PM by wmmii.)
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RE: The Hall, AKA "Kaplan Arena" Renovation for 2022
(08-28-2020 12:32 PM)wmmii Wrote: (08-23-2020 10:09 AM)Tribe32 Wrote: (08-23-2020 09:49 AM)zablenoise Wrote: (08-23-2020 09:27 AM)Tribe2011 Wrote: While any of those teams would be great, if we want someone with relevance to us, my guess is ODU or Mason are the only options. No one else has shown a willingness to play us at Kaplan. Maybe Richmond would, but I'd be skeptical of even that given the history. None of UVA, Tech, UNC, whichever high major teams are going to give us a home game.
Didn't UVA agree to play at JMU recently? I think we can get it done with a new venue.
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No chance. The new arena will just make it more of a home advantage. Better teams don't want to play us because of the risk of losing a game to us.
If we start winning 20 games a year and make the dance, I could see us moving to a different conference where that type of competition makes more sense. An easy example is Butler. They never got much love until they moved to the Big East. Now they get other big name teams at home. Their arena holds about 9000 so we may need to flex on seating if we want to move up.
FACT:
JMU shows they have UVA as a home game on 11/19/20 at their new arena as a return game for playing at UVA last year.
JMU did a great job of scheduling other games at home for MBB to open the arena as they have lineup of:
Maryland Eastern Shore
Longwood
UVA
Mount St. Mary's
Radford
GMU
Fordham
ODU
Not a bad model to use but requires planning more than a year in advance! Hope Covid-19 does not destroy it.
If JMU manages multiple home and homes with UVA we should be in awe.
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RE: The Hall, AKA "Kaplan Arena" Renovation for 2022
(08-28-2020 07:54 PM)Florida tribe fan Wrote: (08-28-2020 12:32 PM)wmmii Wrote: FACT:
JMU shows they have UVA as a home game on 11/19/20 at their new arena as a return game for playing at UVA last year.
JMU did a great job of scheduling other games at home for MBB to open the arena as they have lineup of:
Maryland Eastern Shore
Longwood
UVA
Mount St. Mary's
Radford
GMU
Fordham
ODU
Not a bad model to use but requires planning more than a year in advance! Hope Covid-19 does not destroy it.
If JMU manages multiple home and homes with UVA we should be in awe.
The UVA and JMU home game series was a onetime event to help them kickoff JMU new arena and not an ongoing arrangement seems to me. Still this is a good roadmap for setting expectations for Huge and Fischer in our first season of the new Kap!!
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