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RE: ***** Charlotte at Middle Tennessee *****live game thread
Stock has never been one to run it up, but in reality, we only scored two touchdowns in the 3rd quarter(one defensive) and one touchdown in the 4th quarter.

Frankly I have no problem with it, our program has been stagnating over the last few years, try something different by keeping the foot on the gas and entertaining the home fans.
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I wasn't sure why we felt the need to run the reverse pass, but the onside kick was too obvious not to try it - there was no one lined up for Charlotte on that side of the field near the sideline. Unfortunately the kicker shorted the kick by about 3 yards and you know the rest. The only thing I can think of is that Illinois sees that and over prepares for trick plays when we'll actually just run it down their throat. Idk.

After the way this team played to end the season last year, they just aren't going to stop giving full effort and it's tough to slow down when it takes 2 plays to score each drive. This team has a monster chip on their shoulder and I think we'll keep going back to that well. You can't take your foot off the gas in the first quarter no matter what the score is. You don't prepare for a week only to play hard and full speed for 6 minutes.

I'll admit I felt bad once it hit 35-7.
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RE: ***** Charlotte at Middle Tennessee *****live game thread
(09-21-2015 09:15 AM)919R Wrote:  
(09-19-2015 10:13 PM)Artifice Wrote:  I predicted a 21 point loss. That prediction didn't include 7 TOs. Tonight was a good example of how football games can snowball.

Good game MTSU. Can't say I understand the onside kick or the trick plays, but it was Charlotte's job to stop them.
Niners will need to value the football or they will not be competitive again this year. I believe they have 12 TOs in two games against FBS teams. That is a bigger issue than anything else.

This. A lot of what MTSU did from the 2nd quarter on seemed pretty classless to me. I think we had our 2-3rd stringers before they did, not to mention the trick plays and continued passing well into the 4th quarter and please everybody spare me the "you should have stopped them then" and we can't tell our kids to "lay down", etc. I know even in our short time playing, we have had back-ups in MUCH earlier when games were even closer and certainly we normally quit throwing MUCH earlier than MTSU did. In any case, MTSU looks very strong but just remember everything changes over time----its just a matter of how much time.

I agree. I thought the onside kick call was flat out stupid. We were up 21 and dominating. You just don't do that. We deserved to have you guys run it back for a TD. The trick play was dumb too. Why show it at that point in the game. Now other teams have it on film and it will no longer be a surprise if we really NEED to pull it out at a later time. Very surprised that Stock made those 2 calls. Definitely not his typical conservative character.
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(09-21-2015 09:40 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Stock has never been one to run it up, but in reality, we only scored two touchdowns in the 3rd quarter(one defensive) and one touchdown in the 4th quarter.

Frankly I have no problem with it, our program has been stagnating over the last few years, try something different by keeping the foot on the gas and entertaining the home fans.

We only scored one in 2nd as well. I think it was more about setting things up for the future games. Show some plays that will keep teams honest in the future. Plus we threw the ball 8 times in entire second half and only 2 in the 4th quarter.
So in summary us running it up was scoring 1 TD per quarter for the last 3 quarters and throwing the ball 8 times in second half. I think maybe it just felt worse than it actually was because the way it started. Sorry the game went the way it did but I don't think we were exactly running it up either. I like what Charlotte is building. I think the games will be competitive sooner rather than later. Good luck the rest of the way out.
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(09-21-2015 10:00 AM)Hop45 Wrote:  
(09-21-2015 09:15 AM)919R Wrote:  
(09-19-2015 10:13 PM)Artifice Wrote:  I predicted a 21 point loss. That prediction didn't include 7 TOs. Tonight was a good example of how football games can snowball.

Good game MTSU. Can't say I understand the onside kick or the trick plays, but it was Charlotte's job to stop them.
Niners will need to value the football or they will not be competitive again this year. I believe they have 12 TOs in two games against FBS teams. That is a bigger issue than anything else.

This. A lot of what MTSU did from the 2nd quarter on seemed pretty classless to me. I think we had our 2-3rd stringers before they did, not to mention the trick plays and continued passing well into the 4th quarter and please everybody spare me the "you should have stopped them then" and we can't tell our kids to "lay down", etc. I know even in our short time playing, we have had back-ups in MUCH earlier when games were even closer and certainly we normally quit throwing MUCH earlier than MTSU did. In any case, MTSU looks very strong but just remember everything changes over time----its just a matter of how much time.

I agree. I thought the onside kick call was flat out stupid. We were up 21 and dominating. You just don't do that. We deserved to have you guys run it back for a TD. The trick play was dumb too. Why show it at that point in the game. Now other teams have it on film and it will no longer be a surprise if we really NEED to pull it out at a later time. Very surprised that Stock made those 2 calls. Definitely not his typical conservative character.
Maybe trying to really showcase his son by letting him put up big numbers?
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I don't blame MTSU for the first quarter at all. I mean, it's a wheel route. I'm pretty sure everyone in green had seen one before. No? Really? Maybe tackle the RB? Just some crazy ideas from the armchair.

That first quarter was what happens when a green (no pun intended) team has its confidence absolutely shattered. It can get ugly quickly. MTSU is a stout team as well. I knew that when I watched that Bama game - if not for the Raiders' TOs, that would have been a closer game than Bama wanted.

Anyway, I found myself remembering this game from last year: http://espn.go.com/college-football/boxs...=400548086

Sometimes, it even gets away from good teams. That said, there was a lot to learn from that game for the Niners, and it'll be a gut check this check to see what kind of character these kids have. However, the turnovers for the Niners have got to stop. That wasn't just MTSU. The Niners were happy to give the ball over to Ga State as well. Here's the next minor victory/goal: play an FBS opponent and don't have a TO all game. I'd be very pleased to see that.

Also, here's hoping the Niners get healthy on offense. They were missing 3 starters by the end of the 1st quarter: LT Jamal Covington; LG Casey Perry, and leading WR Austin Duke. That didn't help the situation.
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No pity from the MT fans is needed, we don't deserve it. We turned the ball over 7 times.
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I can't get too upset about the onside kick. Sure, it was a bit out of place - especially from a guy who by all accounts wouldn't do such a thing - but we made them pay for it.

Unfortunately, instead of allowing that to piss us off a bit and sparking us to say "Like Hell you're going to do this to us!" we did the exact opposite.

The inhabitants of Ninerland have said quite a few times that we wish our guys would just step on an opponent's throat in situations like MT was in at that point in the game. There is a fine line between "stepping on their throat" and "running up the score" and that's not a line that I want to be judging.

I'm much more pissed off at our team for letting them do it to us than I am at MT for doing it. My ideal response to this is to get bigger, get meaner, get faster... and do the same thing to them next time.
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(09-19-2015 09:37 PM)MU42 Wrote:  
(09-19-2015 07:14 PM)wh49er Wrote:  
(09-19-2015 07:14 PM)MU42 Wrote:  So I guess I'll say welcome to real D-1 football. Georgia State is about as D-1 as Charlotte is. Seriously doubt the niners win another game. It's just unlikely.

Thank you Captain Obvious.

Well I've only been saying this since it was announced that Charlotte was joining like 3 years ago.However, all summer long all I read was how Charlotte was going to win at least 4-5 games. I said you wouldn't win 2 but I underestimated how bad Georgia St was. Anyway, I feel for you guys, hopefully every game doesn't look like this, I mean there is FAU and FIU.
That was really all you read? What in the world were you reading the whole time?

I think most Niner fans are realistic about this team. Even the Georgia St. win was unexpected for the majority of fans, but it sure was fun to see! Glad you were wrong about it!
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A little anecdote for Charlotte fans:

A few years ago we won 70-14 against UAB, and it wasn't their first year in FBS (obviously). We didn't run it up either, we just kept breaking off big runs up the middle and scoring at will. But we crushed them badly and the score probably wasn't even that close in reality.

UAB beat us 4 years in a row after that. All of their players never forgot that game.
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Trick plays are still plays that can go wrong. I guess you could argue that they are more likely to embarrass an outmatched opponent, but the regular deep passes were working just as well and were even more embarrassing, so it doesn't strike me as worth complaining about. The parts I saw, the Niners D kept diving in to stop the run, so the natural response is to keep the defense honest by throwing over the top and using misdirection.

MTSU seems like a solid team, I'll be interested to see how you do against Illinois (who appears to not be elite, but should at least have athletes to match up better with MTSU, so a better barometer than any of the other games so far). Hopefully the Niners can match up a little better with one or two other teams on the schedule and keep it close, but time is needed to get more FBS recruits in and allow them some time to mature before we start talking about being competitive in most of the games.
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(09-21-2015 12:00 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  A little anecdote for Charlotte fans:

A few years ago we beat 70-14 against UAB, and it wasn't their first year in FBS (obviously). We didn't run it up either, we just kept breaking off big runs up the middle and scoring at will. But we crushed them badly and the score probably wasn't even that close in reality.

UAB beat us 4 years in a row after that. All of their players never forgot that game.

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USM really didn't try to run the score up in that game. It was just sad.
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The important question is at what point did MT play cover 4 prevent?
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(09-21-2015 10:03 AM)Niner National Wrote:  
(09-21-2015 10:00 AM)Hop45 Wrote:  
(09-21-2015 09:15 AM)919R Wrote:  
(09-19-2015 10:13 PM)Artifice Wrote:  I predicted a 21 point loss. That prediction didn't include 7 TOs. Tonight was a good example of how football games can snowball.

Good game MTSU. Can't say I understand the onside kick or the trick plays, but it was Charlotte's job to stop them.
Niners will need to value the football or they will not be competitive again this year. I believe they have 12 TOs in two games against FBS teams. That is a bigger issue than anything else.

This. A lot of what MTSU did from the 2nd quarter on seemed pretty classless to me. I think we had our 2-3rd stringers before they did, not to mention the trick plays and continued passing well into the 4th quarter and please everybody spare me the "you should have stopped them then" and we can't tell our kids to "lay down", etc. I know even in our short time playing, we have had back-ups in MUCH earlier when games were even closer and certainly we normally quit throwing MUCH earlier than MTSU did. In any case, MTSU looks very strong but just remember everything changes over time----its just a matter of how much time.

I agree. I thought the onside kick call was flat out stupid. We were up 21 and dominating. You just don't do that. We deserved to have you guys run it back for a TD. The trick play was dumb too. Why show it at that point in the game. Now other teams have it on film and it will no longer be a surprise if we really NEED to pull it out at a later time. Very surprised that Stock made those 2 calls. Definitely not his typical conservative character.
Maybe trying to really showcase his son by letting him put up big numbers?

(09-21-2015 04:58 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  The important question is at what point did MT play cover 4 prevent?
Probably not as early as we did against ODU. Charlotte felt like they had more of a potential to come back
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(09-21-2015 07:53 PM)TeKERaider Wrote:  
(09-21-2015 04:58 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  The important question is at what point did MT play cover 4 prevent?
Probably not as early as we did against ODU. Charlotte felt like they had more of a potential to come back

03-lmfao
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(09-22-2015 07:18 AM)49erlew Wrote:  
(09-21-2015 07:53 PM)TeKERaider Wrote:  
(09-21-2015 04:58 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  The important question is at what point did MT play cover 4 prevent?
Probably not as early as we did against ODU. Charlotte felt like they had more of a potential to come back

03-lmfao

Yep, 42-7 at the end of the first quarter. Had them right where we wanted them......... lol
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(09-22-2015 08:10 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(09-22-2015 07:18 AM)49erlew Wrote:  
(09-21-2015 07:53 PM)TeKERaider Wrote:  
(09-21-2015 04:58 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  The important question is at what point did MT play cover 4 prevent?
Probably not as early as we did against ODU. Charlotte felt like they had more of a potential to come back

03-lmfao

Yep, 42-7 at the end of the first quarter. Had them right where we wanted them......... lol

I was nervous for a bit there after that big TD for Charlotte. Can't understate the impact of coaching stupidity on the game.
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(09-22-2015 08:36 AM)Ole Blue Wrote:  
(09-22-2015 08:10 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(09-22-2015 07:18 AM)49erlew Wrote:  
(09-21-2015 07:53 PM)TeKERaider Wrote:  
(09-21-2015 04:58 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  The important question is at what point did MT play cover 4 prevent?
Probably not as early as we did against ODU. Charlotte felt like they had more of a potential to come back

03-lmfao

Yep, 42-7 at the end of the first quarter. Had them right where we wanted them......... lol

I was nervous for a bit there after that big TD for Charlotte. Can't understate the impact of coaching stupidity on the game.

Your nerves outlived my confidence!

I was honestly feeling very good after holding y'all to a 3-and-out to start the game.

In that, my prediction did hold true: our defense kept us in this one for three plays longer than we should have been! 04-rock
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(09-22-2015 08:36 AM)Ole Blue Wrote:  
(09-22-2015 08:10 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(09-22-2015 07:18 AM)49erlew Wrote:  
(09-21-2015 07:53 PM)TeKERaider Wrote:  
(09-21-2015 04:58 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  The important question is at what point did MT play cover 4 prevent?
Probably not as early as we did against ODU. Charlotte felt like they had more of a potential to come back

03-lmfao

Yep, 42-7 at the end of the first quarter. Had them right where we wanted them......... lol

I was nervous for a bit there after that big TD for Charlotte. Can't understate the impact of coaching stupidity on the game.

No worries. Payback will come. It may take several years, but, eventually, one day, payback will come!!! 04-cheers
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