(09-08-2015 04:16 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  If nothing else, they're idiots. The first hit could have been argued incidental but that second hit was as obvious as the day is long.

It would be a pretty weak argument.

(09-08-2015 04:25 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  How bad was the ref hurt? I'm not sure if criminal chargers are in the kids best interest but missing the rest of the year and a hell of alot of community service sure is..

Who cares? How bad you are hurt isn't really an issue to wether or not they did something wrong.

I'd be interested to know how old these "kids" are.

(09-08-2015 05:00 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 04:25 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  How bad was the ref hurt? I'm not sure if criminal chargers are in the kids best interest but missing the rest of the year and a hell of alot of community service sure is..

Who cares? How bad you are hurt isn't really an issue to wether or not they did something wrong.

I'd be interested to know how old these "kids" are.

Two kids trespass in my back yard and don't break anything I don't care to make them criminals. Two kids get into my yard to wreck the place I care.

We can't pretend that the degree of damage done plays no factor in the punishment dolled out.

I never said they did not do anything wrong. I said that taking this and potentially incarcerating them might be a mistake. *** MIGHT ***... In either case discipline is warranted but it should be constructive and appropriate.

(09-08-2015 04:07 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 02:01 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I understand your want, but since you brought it up and tried to dismiss it because one player was white, if it was me, a white guy, and the ref sad something derogatory towards my black teammate and friend, I'd want to club the guy too.

And no, it's still wrong to do it even if that is what happened. They should have told the coach or another referee.

Wow, Tom. this is really an interesting response.

I can't even really articulate how odd I find your response. Not meant as an insult, merely as 'surprise' that this is where your head went in response to his comment.

It seems clear to me that he meant because the two players were apparently of different races, that racism either by the players against the official or towards the players by posters here was unwarranted... but still, you imagined a scenario by which racism would play a part. That the OFFICIAL was possibly a racist and the players were 'fighting racism'.

That's because I listened to sports talk radio today where several callers mentioned they heard that racist comments from the referee were motivation for the attack. Not saying they were, but that's why I commented as I did. If that were actually the case, then I could see myself defending my black teammate and friend.

(09-08-2015 05:03 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 05:00 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 04:25 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  How bad was the ref hurt? I'm not sure if criminal chargers are in the kids best interest but missing the rest of the year and a hell of alot of community service sure is..

Who cares? How bad you are hurt isn't really an issue to wether or not they did something wrong.

I'd be interested to know how old these "kids" are.

Two kids trespass in my back yard and don't break anything I don't care to make them criminals. Two kids get into my yard to wreck the place I care.

We can't pretend that the degree of damage done plays no factor in the punishment dolled out.

I never said they did not do anything wrong. I said that taking this and potentially incarcerating them might be a mistake. *** MIGHT ***... In either case discipline is warranted but it should be constructive and appropriate.

In fairness, minor trespassing and battery aren't really on the same playing field, no pun intended.

I honestly am saying exactly that. I'm not real concerned with how hurt the guy was.

The punishment should be, and would be, dished out based on their intent, not their result.

Do I think they should be punished? Yes. Now, I won't pretend to know enough about what was going on or what happened to try and prescribe some punishment.

(09-08-2015 04:25 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  How bad was the ref hurt? I'm not sure if criminal chargers are in the kids best interest but missing the rest of the year and a hell of alot of community service sure is..

Not sure.


Potentially he could have been paralyzed or died. That weighs more into what kind of discipline these thugs should receive than what his actual injuries were.

(09-08-2015 05:03 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 05:00 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 04:25 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  How bad was the ref hurt? I'm not sure if criminal chargers are in the kids best interest but missing the rest of the year and a hell of alot of community service sure is..

Who cares? How bad you are hurt isn't really an issue to wether or not they did something wrong.

I'd be interested to know how old these "kids" are.

Two kids trespass in my back yard and don't break anything I don't care to make them criminals. Two kids get into my yard to wreck the place I care.

We can't pretend that the degree of damage done plays no factor in the punishment dolled out.

I never said they did not do anything wrong. I said that taking this and potentially incarcerating them might be a mistake. *** MIGHT ***... In either case discipline is warranted but it should be constructive and appropriate.

Wouldn't it be up to the Ref whether he wanted to press charges or not? And even if he didn't the State probably still could.

To the former, it was one Senior-hit one, and a Soph hit two. And if these guys are anything like what my son plays with and against in that position, they will bring a wallop, 6'1" 215 or so.

And totally unexpected, from behind. Could have paralyzed or even killed the guy. Charge 'em.

(09-08-2015 04:51 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 04:16 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  If nothing else, they're idiots. The first hit could have been argued incidental but that second hit was as obvious as the day is long.

It would be a pretty weak argument.

Sure, but it would be an argument that they could possibly make. But that second hit is what really drives home the fact it's absolutely obvious they were targeting this ref.

(09-08-2015 06:35 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 05:03 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 05:00 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 04:25 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  How bad was the ref hurt? I'm not sure if criminal chargers are in the kids best interest but missing the rest of the year and a hell of alot of community service sure is..

Who cares? How bad you are hurt isn't really an issue to wether or not they did something wrong.

I'd be interested to know how old these "kids" are.

Two kids trespass in my back yard and don't break anything I don't care to make them criminals. Two kids get into my yard to wreck the place I care.

We can't pretend that the degree of damage done plays no factor in the punishment dolled out.

I never said they did not do anything wrong. I said that taking this and potentially incarcerating them might be a mistake. *** MIGHT ***... In either case discipline is warranted but it should be constructive and appropriate.

Wouldn't it be up to the Ref whether he wanted to press charges or not? And even if he didn't the State probably still could.

To the former, it was one Senior-hit one, and a Soph hit two. And if these guys are anything like what my son plays with and against in that position, they will bring a wallop, 6'1" 215 or so.

And totally unexpected, from behind. Could have paralyzed or even killed the guy. Charge 'em.

The whole 'press charges' thing isn't really how criminal cases work, especially in something like this where there is video evidence of what happened. In some crimes, without a victim willing to work with the prosecution, it can result in the cases being dropped for lack of evidence, but I don't see how that'd apply in this case. Any lawyers here can correct me, but I'm fairly certain that it's the DA/Prosecutor which decides whether or not charges will be filed, and they don't need the victims consent because criminal cases are technically crimes against society in general.

Humorously enough, if these kids had gotten into a fight off of the field, the fact that Texas holds football as so important possible could have helped them get somewhat lighter penalties. But, in this case, they're probably going to get the book thrown at them because it messes with the game of football itself.

(09-08-2015 06:32 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 04:25 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  How bad was the ref hurt? I'm not sure if criminal chargers are in the kids best interest but missing the rest of the year and a hell of alot of community service sure is..

Not sure.


Potentially he could have been paralyzed or died. That weighs more into what kind of discipline these thugs should receive than what his actual injuries were.

^ what a drama queen...

(09-08-2015 05:00 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 04:25 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  How bad was the ref hurt? I'm not sure if criminal chargers are in the kids best interest but missing the rest of the year and a hell of alot of community service sure is..

Who cares? How bad you are hurt isn't really an issue to wether or not they did something wrong.

I'd be interested to know how old these "kids" are.

Bull is right.

So, now claims of racial slurs are being thrown around. And, the school system is logging a complaint with the organization the referee works for.

Yup, they want to ruin this guy's life on the word of a bunch of loser kids.

(09-08-2015 04:07 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 02:01 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I understand your want, but since you brought it up and tried to dismiss it because one player was white, if it was me, a white guy, and the ref sad something derogatory towards my black teammate and friend, I'd want to club the guy too.

And no, it's still wrong to do it even if that is what happened. They should have told the coach or another referee.

Wow, Tom. this is really an interesting response.

I can't even really articulate how odd I find your response. Not meant as an insult, merely as 'surprise' that this is where your head went in response to his comment.

It seems clear to me that he meant because the two players were apparently of different races, that racism either by the players against the official or towards the players by posters here was unwarranted... but still, you imagined a scenario by which racism would play a part. That the OFFICIAL was possibly a racist and the players were 'fighting racism'.

This thought never crossed my mind but as it turns out, it seems tha Red might in fact be correct.

Heard on the radio this morning that an assistant coach may have implied the ref needed to be taken out for some reason or another. If so, does that change things? Were the kids just doing as told?

(09-09-2015 10:01 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Heard on the radio this morning that an assistant coach may have implied the ref needed to be taken out for some reason or another. If so, does that change things? Were the kids just doing as told?

Then the assistant is criminally culpable as well, nothing more.

(09-09-2015 10:10 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(09-09-2015 10:01 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Heard on the radio this morning that an assistant coach may have implied the ref needed to be taken out for some reason or another. If so, does that change things? Were the kids just doing as told?

Then the assistant is criminally culpable as well, nothing more.

But what if the ref was using racist language?

I posted this on another website.

Yall have to understand that to some of these kids, their coaches are the closest thing to a father figure that they will have. The word of a football coach is like gospel to them. Some of these coaches get more respect than principals in some of these schools. It's a sad reality, but that's what it is.

(09-09-2015 11:00 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(09-09-2015 10:10 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(09-09-2015 10:01 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Heard on the radio this morning that an assistant coach may have implied the ref needed to be taken out for some reason or another. If so, does that change things? Were the kids just doing as told?

Then the assistant is criminally culpable as well, nothing more.

But what if the ref was using racist language?

No word that comes out of someone's mouth justifies you assaulting them.

(09-09-2015 11:02 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  I posted this on another website.

Yall have to understand that to some of these kids, their coaches are the closest thing to a father figure that they will have. The word of a football coach is like gospel to them. Some of these coaches get more respect than principals in some of these schools. It's a sad reality, but that's what it is.

I agree 100%. If a member of the coaching staff suggested that this should happen then the coaches should also suffer consequences and the students to a lesser extent.

(09-09-2015 10:10 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(09-09-2015 10:01 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Heard on the radio this morning that an assistant coach may have implied the ref needed to be taken out for some reason or another. If so, does that change things? Were the kids just doing as told?

Then the assistant is criminally culpable as well, nothing more.

I agree; however, does that let the students off the hook? I mean, they were told what to do by a superior, etc.....