(09-02-2015 03:03 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(09-02-2015 02:50 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  Men's volleyball, and men's and women's water polo are other examples. A D2 or even a D3 school can win the national championships in those sports and they would be considered a D1 champion.

We're wading deep into geek-speak here, but... men's volleyball like ice hockey essentially has a combined D-I/D-II championship, and also has a D-III championship. The NCAA officially calls the water polo championships "NCAA championships" without referring to D-I, II, or III. And, women's beach volleyball will also be an all-division championship when they hold the first tournament next spring.

And Bowling has one championship as well.

Not sure if anyone posted this in this thread:

http://sunbeltsports.org/news/2015/9/1/G...51041.aspx

(09-02-2015 04:58 PM)Rube Dali Wrote:  

(09-02-2015 03:25 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(09-02-2015 02:28 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(09-02-2015 12:04 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(09-02-2015 04:34 AM)Rube Dali Wrote:  Another one who does not know Minnesota politics. No one is even thinking about moving up right now.

The U of MN board of regents and president can only control the branch campuses in the system.

So as good as Duluth is as a potential FCS team, the U could potentially squash that.


It has zero control over the MNSCU system, which has potential FCS teams in St. Cloud and Mankato.



My dream conference for NDSU, if FBS can't be achieved, is to have a upper midwest regional conference with the four Dakotas and then two teams each in MN and WI. Probably St. Cloud, Mankato, Eau Claire and La Crosse. Talk about a pipe dream! The markets are right ... but the MN and particularly the WI schools have quite a bit of work to do. Probably never happen.

Duluth might be okay for a move up since they are in North Minnesota while the main Minnesota is in the south of the state. It is so big I think they may not mind them since Duluth already have men's hockey in D1.

Duluth supports hockey but that's it. Their football and basketball don't draw, even though they have been good.

The only Minnesota public DII that might entertain moving up is Minn St-Mankato, and they would have to go no scholarship football to do it. But Mankato needs to keep up in hockey, which is what Minnesota schools see as their cash cow, not football. Mankato values basketball, but not enough for DI.

Schools like Minn St-Moorhead and Winona St see adding hockey as going DI. The Wisconsin schools are happy as DIII.

Mankato looked into going DI briefly a few years ago, but decided against it, knowing if it did the reprecussions would have been big. I think it's more likely that in the event of another economic downturn, the MN publics will drop DI hockey and possibly go DIII. Morris is already there.

Mods: can I request that the discussion on Minnesota schools be split into it's own thread?

It would be a major blow to the MNSCU schools to give up DI hockey. Mankato, St. Cloud and Bemidji live off the sport (in men's, at least).

Moorhead wanted it. Haven't heard of Winona or Marshall trying to get it.


As long as there is a DII, for limited scholarships, I can't see the Northern Sun dropping down to DIII.



Like I said before, my "pipe dream" would be for Mankato and St. Cloud to pull a UND. It's very unlikely, unless Glen Taylor showers Mankato in money for no reason.

Their best chance would be to pull an Omaha, instead.

(09-03-2015 12:06 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Not sure if anyone posted this in this thread:

http://sunbeltsports.org/news/2015/9/1/G...51041.aspx

During the 2014-15 season 10 of 18 CCU athletic programs made appearances in NCAA postseason competition. CCU was one of only five NCAA Division I universities to have its football, men's soccer, men's basketball and baseball teams qualify for NCAA postseason play in last season. Joining the Chanticleers were Louisville, Maryland, Notre Dame and UCLA.

That's why I think Coastal got the nod over Eastern Kentucky, a well balanced Olympic sports profile.

(09-03-2015 12:33 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 12:06 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Not sure if anyone posted this in this thread:

http://sunbeltsports.org/news/2015/9/1/G...51041.aspx

During the 2014-15 season 10 of 18 CCU athletic programs made appearances in NCAA postseason competition. CCU was one of only five NCAA Division I universities to have its football, men's soccer, men's basketball and baseball teams qualify for NCAA postseason play in last season. Joining the Chanticleers were Louisville, Maryland, Notre Dame and UCLA.

That's why I think Coastal got the nod over Eastern Kentucky, a well balanced Olympic sports profile.

And, if you are trying to predict whether a school will be successful in starting FBS football, while there are no guarantees, you'd probably rather choose a school with a track record of developing a strong athletic department overall.

(09-03-2015 12:06 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Not sure if anyone posted this in this thread:

http://sunbeltsports.org/news/2015/9/1/G...51041.aspx

Given the late date of the move, it makes sense not to treat 2015 as a transition season; they can still be in the FCS playoffs, though whether the Big South allows them to earn the autobid or does a CAA on them I guess hasn't been determined.

2015 -- FCS
2016 -- FCS transition (won't count as FBS game for opponents; theoretically could qualify for FCS playoffs but almost certainly will be above the scholarship limit by then, disqualifying them)
2017 -- FBS transition (full Sun Belt schedule, no postseason unless there's not enough teams to qualify under the NCAA's contingency plan)
2018 -- FBS in full

Is this right?

(09-03-2015 12:43 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 12:06 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Not sure if anyone posted this in this thread:

http://sunbeltsports.org/news/2015/9/1/G...51041.aspx

Given the late date of the move, it makes sense not to treat 2015 as a transition season; they can still be in the FCS playoffs, though whether the Big South allows them to earn the autobid or does a CAA on them I guess hasn't been determined.

2015 -- FCS
2016 -- FCS transition (won't count as FBS game for opponents; theoretically could qualify for FCS playoffs but almost certainly will be above the scholarship limit by then, disqualifying them)
2017 -- FBS transition (full Sun Belt schedule, no postseason unless there's not enough teams to qualify under the NCAA's contingency plan)
2018 -- FBS in full

Is this right?

a few things.
2015- already too late for anything anyways(deadline is June 1).
2016- FCS Transtion. They can't qualify for FCS playoffs.
2017- FBS transition.
2018- FBS in full

(09-03-2015 12:49 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 12:43 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 12:06 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Not sure if anyone posted this in this thread:

http://sunbeltsports.org/news/2015/9/1/G...51041.aspx

Given the late date of the move, it makes sense not to treat 2015 as a transition season; they can still be in the FCS playoffs, though whether the Big South allows them to earn the autobid or does a CAA on them I guess hasn't been determined.

2015 -- FCS
2016 -- FCS transition (won't count as FBS game for opponents; theoretically could qualify for FCS playoffs but almost certainly will be above the scholarship limit by then, disqualifying them)
2017 -- FBS transition (full Sun Belt schedule, no postseason unless there's not enough teams to qualify under the NCAA's contingency plan)
2018 -- FBS in full

Is this right?

a few things.
2015- already too late for anything anyways(deadline is June 1).
2016- FCS Transtion. They can't qualify for FCS playoffs.
2017- FBS transition.
2018- FBS in full

So even if they, for whatever reason, stayed at the FCS max for scholarships in 2016, they'd be disqualified from the postseason? I mean, it'd be a distinction without a difference because there's no way they'd stay at 65 when they're playing a FBS schedule the next season, but for clarity's sake.

(09-03-2015 01:13 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 12:49 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 12:43 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 12:06 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Not sure if anyone posted this in this thread:

http://sunbeltsports.org/news/2015/9/1/G...51041.aspx

Given the late date of the move, it makes sense not to treat 2015 as a transition season; they can still be in the FCS playoffs, though whether the Big South allows them to earn the autobid or does a CAA on them I guess hasn't been determined.

2015 -- FCS
2016 -- FCS transition (won't count as FBS game for opponents; theoretically could qualify for FCS playoffs but almost certainly will be above the scholarship limit by then, disqualifying them)
2017 -- FBS transition (full Sun Belt schedule, no postseason unless there's not enough teams to qualify under the NCAA's contingency plan)
2018 -- FBS in full

Is this right?

a few things.
2015- already too late for anything anyways(deadline is June 1).
2016- FCS Transtion. They can't qualify for FCS playoffs.
2017- FBS transition.
2018- FBS in full

So even if they, for whatever reason, stayed at the FCS max for scholarships in 2016, they'd be disqualified from the postseason? I mean, it'd be a distinction without a difference because there's no way they'd stay at 65 when they're playing a FBS schedule the next season, but for clarity's sake.

Exactly. They will have no postseason in 2016 or 2017..

(09-03-2015 01:13 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 12:49 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 12:43 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(09-03-2015 12:06 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Not sure if anyone posted this in this thread:

http://sunbeltsports.org/news/2015/9/1/G...51041.aspx

Given the late date of the move, it makes sense not to treat 2015 as a transition season; they can still be in the FCS playoffs, though whether the Big South allows them to earn the autobid or does a CAA on them I guess hasn't been determined.

2015 -- FCS
2016 -- FCS transition (won't count as FBS game for opponents; theoretically could qualify for FCS playoffs but almost certainly will be above the scholarship limit by then, disqualifying them)
2017 -- FBS transition (full Sun Belt schedule, no postseason unless there's not enough teams to qualify under the NCAA's contingency plan)
2018 -- FBS in full

Is this right?

a few things.
2015- already too late for anything anyways(deadline is June 1).
2016- FCS Transtion. They can't qualify for FCS playoffs.
2017- FBS transition.
2018- FBS in full

So even if they, for whatever reason, stayed at the FCS max for scholarships in 2016, they'd be disqualified from the postseason? I mean, it'd be a distinction without a difference because there's no way they'd stay at 65 when they're playing a FBS schedule the next season, but for clarity's sake.

They can't stay at 63 in 2016 because for 2016 & 2017 they have to meet the NCAA two year average (76 I believe) to qualify as fully transitioned in 2018.

At least Coastal's got one more shot in the FCS playoffs before moving up.

(09-03-2015 06:12 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  At least Coastal's got one more shot in the FCS playoffs before moving up.

One last shot to come to Fargo and lose in the quater-finals ...

(09-03-2015 01:13 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  So even if they, for whatever reason, stayed at the FCS max for scholarships in 2016, they'd be disqualified from the postseason?

As noted, they are not allowed to ... they have to actually be transitioning during their two transition years (one as FCS with the excess number of FTE FB scholarships, one as FBS with under the 85 head count FB scholarships, and meeting the other FBS requirements.

Even if they were allowed to, for all practical purposes they couldn't, because while they are heading into the 85 head count FB scholarship world, they are under the regular FBS limits of new scholarships per year, so it takes more than two years to get up to full scholarship.

The hard timing on the transition is the stadium ... you can't have paid attendance on non-existent seats, even if you find a sugar daddy to buy tickets to bring you up to 15K average. That issue in for year two of the transition, when the school has to start meeting the transition-qualified versions of FBS requirements.

So if they can have the stadium capacity ready in 2017, then they can start transitioning in 2016.