(08-28-2015 05:59 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(08-28-2015 04:45 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-28-2015 04:32 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(08-28-2015 04:06 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  It is not illegal to obviously avoid eye contact or obviously eyeball a cop for a prolong period.

Nor is it illegal for them to pull you over.

You act like you have the right to NEVER be inconvenienced by the police.

The fact is that this is going to happen to you perhaps twice in your lifetime, that you will be pulled over for effectively doing nothing.... obviously depending in part on where you are (bad neighborhoods it will happen more).

I had an artist painting my child's wall who worked at a bar and would come over at 2am and paint until 5. He didn't live in my neighborhood and was regularly (until they all knew him and knew he had reason to be there) stopped for driving slowly through my neighborhood at 2am.

Was it a pain in the butt for him? Yes, a little. But far less of a pain in the butt for even ONE burglary.

You have made the assumption that the officer was just being a jerk... and while that may be true, you have ZERO evidence of it.

Cops are trained to look for suspicious behavior, which encompasses a WHOLE LOT of trivial actions that people unknowingly do all the time... but in the wrong context or in the wrong situation, can appear suspicious.

I don't know how often a 'suspicious driver' leads to preventing a crime, but given how often it leads to arrests for other crimes, I suspect it's a decent sized number.

Maybe some of us also need to get over our 'self importance' that we're too good to be bothered by these 'peasant' cops just doing their jobs, which few of us would want.

I've been stopped a number of times leaving my neighborhood to go fishing, hunting, etc. for the same reason.

A few months back my aunt had surgery so we were feeding and letting her dog and cat out. One night just before bed my wife realized we hadn't let them out that night because of a school function so at a quarter to midnight I went over to take care of it. As I was leaving a car got in behind me and shortly thereafter I figured out it was a cop when he lit me up. When the officer approached and made contact I identified myself as a CWP holder and advised him I was carrying. Of course he made me get out, then called for back up. When his backup arrived she knew who I was and shortly thereafter I was on my way.

Was it an inconvenience? Slightly. However it was comforting to know that instead of some departments where night shift consists of sitting on the main thoroughfares serving as revenue generators for their political overlords my police department is actively patrolling neighborhoods and checking out anything that seems out of place.

Sounds like you enjoy being heckled by the police.

Around here, as long as you have your permit, cops don't give a crap...

I was in a car wreck a few weeks back, I got out of the car, but I was kinda out of it from the wreck...they were clearing out my car for me and found my gun...cop brought it to me, I flashed my permit, and the cop just handed me my weapon...I wore it on my hip til we were done with the paper work...and the cop drove me home after it was over.

I don't really ever get pulled over, but shortly after the wreck, I got pulled over in my new car because it's hot in Memphis, and the heat made the tape holding up my temp tag melt...again, I flashed my permit and the cop seemed to not care that I was armed in the least.

You carry? Color me surprised.

(08-28-2015 07:36 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(08-28-2015 05:59 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(08-28-2015 04:45 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-28-2015 04:32 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(08-28-2015 04:06 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  It is not illegal to obviously avoid eye contact or obviously eyeball a cop for a prolong period.

Nor is it illegal for them to pull you over.

You act like you have the right to NEVER be inconvenienced by the police.

The fact is that this is going to happen to you perhaps twice in your lifetime, that you will be pulled over for effectively doing nothing.... obviously depending in part on where you are (bad neighborhoods it will happen more).

I had an artist painting my child's wall who worked at a bar and would come over at 2am and paint until 5. He didn't live in my neighborhood and was regularly (until they all knew him and knew he had reason to be there) stopped for driving slowly through my neighborhood at 2am.

Was it a pain in the butt for him? Yes, a little. But far less of a pain in the butt for even ONE burglary.

You have made the assumption that the officer was just being a jerk... and while that may be true, you have ZERO evidence of it.

Cops are trained to look for suspicious behavior, which encompasses a WHOLE LOT of trivial actions that people unknowingly do all the time... but in the wrong context or in the wrong situation, can appear suspicious.

I don't know how often a 'suspicious driver' leads to preventing a crime, but given how often it leads to arrests for other crimes, I suspect it's a decent sized number.

Maybe some of us also need to get over our 'self importance' that we're too good to be bothered by these 'peasant' cops just doing their jobs, which few of us would want.

I've been stopped a number of times leaving my neighborhood to go fishing, hunting, etc. for the same reason.

A few months back my aunt had surgery so we were feeding and letting her dog and cat out. One night just before bed my wife realized we hadn't let them out that night because of a school function so at a quarter to midnight I went over to take care of it. As I was leaving a car got in behind me and shortly thereafter I figured out it was a cop when he lit me up. When the officer approached and made contact I identified myself as a CWP holder and advised him I was carrying. Of course he made me get out, then called for back up. When his backup arrived she knew who I was and shortly thereafter I was on my way.

Was it an inconvenience? Slightly. However it was comforting to know that instead of some departments where night shift consists of sitting on the main thoroughfares serving as revenue generators for their political overlords my police department is actively patrolling neighborhoods and checking out anything that seems out of place.

Sounds like you enjoy being heckled by the police.

Around here, as long as you have your permit, cops don't give a crap...

I was in a car wreck a few weeks back, I got out of the car, but I was kinda out of it from the wreck...they were clearing out my car for me and found my gun...cop brought it to me, I flashed my permit, and the cop just handed me my weapon...I wore it on my hip til we were done with the paper work...and the cop drove me home after it was over.

I don't really ever get pulled over, but shortly after the wreck, I got pulled over in my new car because it's hot in Memphis, and the heat made the tape holding up my temp tag melt...again, I flashed my permit and the cop seemed to not care that I was armed in the least.

You carry? Color me surprised.

I'm a licensed armed guard, so yes, I keep and carry my duty weapon (Sig P229 .40)

Got pulled over by an Alabama state trooper yesterday morning. He didn't pull in behind me. He pulled up next to me, rolled down his window and said, "I didn't blue light you for speeding. Guilty conscience?" Laughed, and drove on.

Middle-aged white guy, me.

(08-28-2015 03:50 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  Perhaps the black dude was eye balling the cop. Therefore, he was trying intimidate the Police Officer. Did you ever think of that.

What crime is this, exactly?

(08-28-2015 08:28 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(08-28-2015 07:36 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(08-28-2015 05:59 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(08-28-2015 04:45 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-28-2015 04:32 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Nor is it illegal for them to pull you over.

You act like you have the right to NEVER be inconvenienced by the police.

The fact is that this is going to happen to you perhaps twice in your lifetime, that you will be pulled over for effectively doing nothing.... obviously depending in part on where you are (bad neighborhoods it will happen more).

I had an artist painting my child's wall who worked at a bar and would come over at 2am and paint until 5. He didn't live in my neighborhood and was regularly (until they all knew him and knew he had reason to be there) stopped for driving slowly through my neighborhood at 2am.

Was it a pain in the butt for him? Yes, a little. But far less of a pain in the butt for even ONE burglary.

You have made the assumption that the officer was just being a jerk... and while that may be true, you have ZERO evidence of it.

Cops are trained to look for suspicious behavior, which encompasses a WHOLE LOT of trivial actions that people unknowingly do all the time... but in the wrong context or in the wrong situation, can appear suspicious.

I don't know how often a 'suspicious driver' leads to preventing a crime, but given how often it leads to arrests for other crimes, I suspect it's a decent sized number.

Maybe some of us also need to get over our 'self importance' that we're too good to be bothered by these 'peasant' cops just doing their jobs, which few of us would want.

I've been stopped a number of times leaving my neighborhood to go fishing, hunting, etc. for the same reason.

A few months back my aunt had surgery so we were feeding and letting her dog and cat out. One night just before bed my wife realized we hadn't let them out that night because of a school function so at a quarter to midnight I went over to take care of it. As I was leaving a car got in behind me and shortly thereafter I figured out it was a cop when he lit me up. When the officer approached and made contact I identified myself as a CWP holder and advised him I was carrying. Of course he made me get out, then called for back up. When his backup arrived she knew who I was and shortly thereafter I was on my way.

Was it an inconvenience? Slightly. However it was comforting to know that instead of some departments where night shift consists of sitting on the main thoroughfares serving as revenue generators for their political overlords my police department is actively patrolling neighborhoods and checking out anything that seems out of place.

Sounds like you enjoy being heckled by the police.

Around here, as long as you have your permit, cops don't give a crap...

I was in a car wreck a few weeks back, I got out of the car, but I was kinda out of it from the wreck...they were clearing out my car for me and found my gun...cop brought it to me, I flashed my permit, and the cop just handed me my weapon...I wore it on my hip til we were done with the paper work...and the cop drove me home after it was over.

I don't really ever get pulled over, but shortly after the wreck, I got pulled over in my new car because it's hot in Memphis, and the heat made the tape holding up my temp tag melt...again, I flashed my permit and the cop seemed to not care that I was armed in the least.

You carry? Color me surprised.

I'm a licensed armed guard, so yes, I keep and carry my duty weapon (Sig P229 .40)

Niceee, sometimes I wished I'd followed my grandpa and moms footsteps and be a security guard and eventually cop but cars and trucks interest me more.

(08-28-2015 08:41 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-28-2015 03:50 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  Perhaps the black dude was eye balling the cop. Therefore, he was trying intimidate the Police Officer. Did you ever think of that.

What crime is this, exactly?

No crime at all. Just stupid. Let sleeping dogs lye. Don't bring attention to yourself.

(08-28-2015 08:33 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Got pulled over by an Alabama state trooper yesterday morning. He didn't pull in behind me. He pulled up next to me, rolled down his window and said, "I didn't blue light you for speeding. Guilty conscience?" Laughed, and drove on.

Middle-aged white guy, me.

The cop, in a round about way, was actually being nice. You will remember that encounter more than if you had actually received a ticket.

In local news, a cop ran a red light and crashed into a car. He gave them a ticket and got away with it.

(08-29-2015 10:35 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  In local news, a cop ran a red light and crashed into a car. He gave them a ticket and got away with it.

So, what is the rest of the story?

There is no right to privacy in public...period. You can eyeball or film them. Fck that guy.

(08-29-2015 10:55 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(08-29-2015 10:35 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  In local news, a cop ran a red light and crashed into a car. He gave them a ticket and got away with it.

So, what is the rest of the story?

I've heard of this happening a few times, cops lights were never on. I notice them speeding and swerving a lot.

(08-28-2015 04:19 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I think you guys buried the lead. The cop reportedly followed the guy for a couple miles, so it wasn't like the guy looked at him for no reason. Also, looking at a cop is not grounds to be pulled over as far as I'm aware. That's why the cop used the ridiculous reason at first that the driver didn't signal more than 100 feet before his turn.

Anyway, my civics teacher in High School said it wasn't against the law to give a cop the middle finger as long as you were smiling at him. Yeah...I've never tried it...lol

Technically anything can be grounds to be pulled over. Pulling you over isn't the same as being arrested, which needs a reason. I've been in situations where little stupid things (unknown to the people) has caused us to board a vessel. We had our reasons and we would often times find absolutely nothing.

What we depend on is having the cop use good discretion and common sense. Those two things aren't automatically accurate.

(08-29-2015 10:55 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(08-29-2015 10:35 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  In local news, a cop ran a red light and crashed into a car. He gave them a ticket and got away with it.

So, what is the rest of the story?

http://www.kfoxtv.com/news/features/top-...eHv8IHnbqA

(08-28-2015 09:01 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  

(08-28-2015 08:41 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-28-2015 03:50 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  Perhaps the black dude was eye balling the cop. Therefore, he was trying intimidate the Police Officer. Did you ever think of that.

What crime is this, exactly?

No crime at all. Just stupid. Let sleeping dogs lye. Don't bring attention to yourself.

Lie. And if there was no reasonable suspicion for a cop to think he was breaking the law, as you said it's not a crime to do what he did, why do you think it's ok for them to be pulled over for it?

This type of stuff is why I like living in a smaller area around a bigger city. Everyone knows all the police officers and they know you.

(08-29-2015 12:47 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(08-28-2015 09:01 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  

(08-28-2015 08:41 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-28-2015 03:50 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  Perhaps the black dude was eye balling the cop. Therefore, he was trying intimidate the Police Officer. Did you ever think of that.

What crime is this, exactly?

No crime at all. Just stupid. Let sleeping dogs lye. Don't bring attention to yourself.

Lie. And if there was no reasonable suspicion for a cop to think he was breaking the law, as you said it's not a crime to do what he did, why do you think it's ok for them to be pulled over for it?

He wasn't pulled over for the staring. The staring brought him to the officer's attention. The stop was for a violation of the law, failure to signal a turn 100 feet prior to the turn. Chances are if he hadn't been staring the officer down the officer wouldn't have paid him any attention and wouldn't have noticed the moving vehicle violation.

(08-29-2015 01:05 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-29-2015 12:47 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(08-28-2015 09:01 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  

(08-28-2015 08:41 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-28-2015 03:50 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  Perhaps the black dude was eye balling the cop. Therefore, he was trying intimidate the Police Officer. Did you ever think of that.

What crime is this, exactly?

No crime at all. Just stupid. Let sleeping dogs lye. Don't bring attention to yourself.

Lie. And if there was no reasonable suspicion for a cop to think he was breaking the law, as you said it's not a crime to do what he did, why do you think it's ok for them to be pulled over for it?

He wasn't pulled over for the staring. The staring brought him to the officer's attention. The stop was for a violation of the law, failure to signal a turn 100 feet prior to the turn. Chances are if he hadn't been staring the officer down the officer wouldn't have paid him any attention and wouldn't have noticed the moving vehicle violation.

And you have no problem with this?

(08-29-2015 01:06 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(08-29-2015 01:05 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-29-2015 12:47 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(08-28-2015 09:01 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  

(08-28-2015 08:41 PM)Smaug Wrote:  What crime is this, exactly?

No crime at all. Just stupid. Let sleeping dogs lye. Don't bring attention to yourself.

Lie. And if there was no reasonable suspicion for a cop to think he was breaking the law, as you said it's not a crime to do what he did, why do you think it's ok for them to be pulled over for it?

He wasn't pulled over for the staring. The staring brought him to the officer's attention. The stop was for a violation of the law, failure to signal a turn 100 feet prior to the turn. Chances are if he hadn't been staring the officer down the officer wouldn't have paid him any attention and wouldn't have noticed the moving vehicle violation.

And you have no problem with this?

None at all. Law enforcement officers are trained to look for stuff that is out of place. Normal people don't stare down law enforcement officers.

(08-29-2015 01:15 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-29-2015 01:06 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(08-29-2015 01:05 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-29-2015 12:47 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(08-28-2015 09:01 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  No crime at all. Just stupid. Let sleeping dogs lye. Don't bring attention to yourself.

Lie. And if there was no reasonable suspicion for a cop to think he was breaking the law, as you said it's not a crime to do what he did, why do you think it's ok for them to be pulled over for it?

He wasn't pulled over for the staring. The staring brought him to the officer's attention. The stop was for a violation of the law, failure to signal a turn 100 feet prior to the turn. Chances are if he hadn't been staring the officer down the officer wouldn't have paid him any attention and wouldn't have noticed the moving vehicle violation.

And you have no problem with this?

None at all. Law enforcement officers are trained to look for stuff that is out of place. Normal people don't stare down law enforcement officers.

Yet you leave them to alone decide what 'staring down' consists of? And then feel comfortable with the police using that to follow someone in the hopes they break the law in some manner? How very unamerican of you.

(08-29-2015 01:26 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(08-29-2015 01:15 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-29-2015 01:06 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(08-29-2015 01:05 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-29-2015 12:47 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Lie. And if there was no reasonable suspicion for a cop to think he was breaking the law, as you said it's not a crime to do what he did, why do you think it's ok for them to be pulled over for it?

He wasn't pulled over for the staring. The staring brought him to the officer's attention. The stop was for a violation of the law, failure to signal a turn 100 feet prior to the turn. Chances are if he hadn't been staring the officer down the officer wouldn't have paid him any attention and wouldn't have noticed the moving vehicle violation.

And you have no problem with this?

None at all. Law enforcement officers are trained to look for stuff that is out of place. Normal people don't stare down law enforcement officers.

Yet you leave them to alone decide what 'staring down' consists of? And then feel comfortable with the police using that to follow someone in the hopes they break the law in some manner? How very unamerican of you.

So your desire to hamstring a PO because you don't like how they go about their duties makes you more american than myself, who agrees with Kaplony on this? How very pro-criminal of you.