(08-27-2015 09:34 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-27-2015 09:29 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-27-2015 09:25 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-27-2015 09:13 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-27-2015 09:01 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Funny...but this little dust up actually points to one huge problem with this ridiculous proposal by Trump. Ramos is also an American citizen.

Irrelevant. He was an ******* who thought he was more important than anyone else in the room. He got booted for being an ******* and not waiting his turn.

No, it's totally relevant because Trump WILL NOT explain to anyone how he plans to round up and deport millions of people. He needs to explain that if he is to be taken seriously. That's what Ramos was trying to find out.

Trump hasnt said he's going to deport millions of people. He said he's going to deport millions of illegal immigrants.

And he has stated how he's going to do that. He's going to throw the gang thugs out immediately. And he's turning on e-verify so that those who are illegal cant get hired. Those people will leave on their own and come back into the system legally so that they can get a job.

If illegal immigrants aren't people, then what are they?

Sooooooooooooo, this process will take what...about a hundred years?

We start by deporting any illegal immigrant that gets arrested, pulled over, admitted to a hospital, etc. One at a time. Eventually we'll get most of them, and for those who are too afraid to get medical help, report a crime, or drive on the highway, maybe life will get so ****** here for them that they'll go back on their own.

Illegal immigrants are people. Just people that didn't respect our laws or sovereignty, and thus need to be removed from our country. It's that simple.

(08-27-2015 09:34 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-27-2015 09:29 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-27-2015 09:25 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-27-2015 09:13 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-27-2015 09:01 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Funny...but this little dust up actually points to one huge problem with this ridiculous proposal by Trump. Ramos is also an American citizen.

Irrelevant. He was an ******* who thought he was more important than anyone else in the room. He got booted for being an ******* and not waiting his turn.

No, it's totally relevant because Trump WILL NOT explain to anyone how he plans to round up and deport millions of people. He needs to explain that if he is to be taken seriously. That's what Ramos was trying to find out.

Trump hasnt said he's going to deport millions of people. He said he's going to deport millions of illegal immigrants.

And he has stated how he's going to do that. He's going to throw the gang thugs out immediately. And he's turning on e-verify so that those who are illegal cant get hired. Those people will leave on their own and come back into the system legally so that they can get a job.

If illegal immigrants aren't people, then what are they?

Sooooooooooooo, this process will take what...about a hundred years?

So if welfare goes to the poor, and the poor are people, I should be able to get welfare making half a million dollars a year because I am also people.

Thats why liberals sound crazy, because their logic isnt logic.

As for the time it will take for them to leave? Almost immediately. See the action that occurred after Alabama passed a law stating that students had to show citizenship prior to registering.

(08-27-2015 09:39 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Illegal immigrants are people. Just people that didn't respect our laws or sovereignty, and thus need to be removed from our country. It's that simple.

yep

(08-27-2015 09:47 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-27-2015 09:34 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-27-2015 09:29 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-27-2015 09:25 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-27-2015 09:13 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Irrelevant. He was an ******* who thought he was more important than anyone else in the room. He got booted for being an ******* and not waiting his turn.

No, it's totally relevant because Trump WILL NOT explain to anyone how he plans to round up and deport millions of people. He needs to explain that if he is to be taken seriously. That's what Ramos was trying to find out.

Trump hasnt said he's going to deport millions of people. He said he's going to deport millions of illegal immigrants.

And he has stated how he's going to do that. He's going to throw the gang thugs out immediately. And he's turning on e-verify so that those who are illegal cant get hired. Those people will leave on their own and come back into the system legally so that they can get a job.

If illegal immigrants aren't people, then what are they?

Sooooooooooooo, this process will take what...about a hundred years?

So if welfare goes to the poor, and the poor are people, I should be able to get welfare making half a million dollars a year because I am also people.

Thats why liberals sound crazy, because their logic isnt logic.

Ummmm....yeah....I got nothing. Wow.

The cost to deport illegal immigrants pales in comparison to the cost burden placed on taxpayers for their continued social services and government assistance. In the long-run, it would save the country a fortune.

(08-27-2015 10:35 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  The cost to deport illegal immigrants pales in comparison to the cost burden placed on taxpayers for their continued social services and government assistance. In the long-run, it would save the country a fortune.

Source?

And are you also factoring in the loss to our economy by removing millions of consumers?

The funniest part about building the wall is when you think about who would build it.

(08-27-2015 10:38 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-27-2015 10:35 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  The cost to deport illegal immigrants pales in comparison to the cost burden placed on taxpayers for their continued social services and government assistance. In the long-run, it would save the country a fortune.

Source?

And are you also factoring in the loss to our economy by removing millions of consumers?

One of many such studies...

I'm also factoring in the boom the economy will have when we deport illegals and wages rise NATURALLY, due to the market, and not due to government mandated minimum wage increases.

People who think we should round up all the illegals and deport them are not thinking things through.
They've thrown practicality out the window.
They have no contingency plan to actually carry it out.
If you are in favor of some militarized government henchman agency kicking down doors armed with M4's then you're a nutjob and you don't actually give a shiit about personal liberty.
Nor are these proponents prepared to go to court over it.

All they know is....they want the browns out.

(08-27-2015 10:46 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  People who think we should round up all the illegals and deport them are not thinking things through.
They've thrown practicality out the window.
They have no contingency plan to actually carry it out.
If you are in favor of some militarized government henchman agency kicking down doors armed with M4's then you're a nutjob and you don't actually give a shiit about personal liberty.
Nor are these proponents prepared to go to court over it.

All they know is....they want the browns out.

None of that is what any of us are saying....

If you're illegal, and it becomes known via an arrest, a hospital visit, a traffic citation, etc. You are gone. Period. Nobody is going door to door, or proposing that. It's a straw man argument if I've ever seen one.

(08-27-2015 10:47 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(08-27-2015 10:46 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  People who think we should round up all the illegals and deport them are not thinking things through.
They've thrown practicality out the window.
They have no contingency plan to actually carry it out.
If you are in favor of some militarized government henchman agency kicking down doors armed with M4's then you're a nutjob and you don't actually give a shiit about personal liberty.
Nor are these proponents prepared to go to court over it.

All they know is....they want the browns out.

None of that is what any of us are saying....

If you're illegal, and it becomes known via an arrest, a hospital visit, a traffic citation, etc. You are gone. Period. Nobody is going door to door, or proposing that. It's a straw man argument if I've ever seen one.

So you're telling me no one is in favor of deporting all of the illegals?

Stahp.

Anyways, to clarify your stance, you only want to deport illegals when it becomes known that they exist?

(08-27-2015 10:51 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(08-27-2015 10:47 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(08-27-2015 10:46 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  People who think we should round up all the illegals and deport them are not thinking things through.
They've thrown practicality out the window.
They have no contingency plan to actually carry it out.
If you are in favor of some militarized government henchman agency kicking down doors armed with M4's then you're a nutjob and you don't actually give a shiit about personal liberty.
Nor are these proponents prepared to go to court over it.

All they know is....they want the browns out.

None of that is what any of us are saying....

If you're illegal, and it becomes known via an arrest, a hospital visit, a traffic citation, etc. You are gone. Period. Nobody is going door to door, or proposing that. It's a straw man argument if I've ever seen one.

So you're telling me no one is in favor of deporting all of the illegals?

Stahp.

Anyways, to clarify your stance, you only want to deport illegals when it becomes known that they exist?

No presidential candidate is making that proposal. Not even Trump.

But yes, I think that we should immediately deport any illegal caught crossing the border, every single illegal that is current in US prison, or in a US hospital, and we deport them as they present themselves naturally, through arrest, hospital check-ins, etc. It's a more natural way to do it, and it might scare most of them enough to get the hell out on their own... because who wants to be too afraid to go to a hospital or report a crime??

(08-26-2015 12:06 PM)fsquid Wrote:  I'm wondering who let him through the credential process (if there is one) knowing the lawsuit exists.

(08-26-2015 12:07 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Not to mention the reporter's daughter works for the Hillary Clinton campaign....

(08-26-2015 03:16 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  It wasn't his turn.

Why are we overanalyzing this. It wasn't his damn turn.

Most of us learn this shiit as toddlers.

Haha. It's that simple.

You want to pull people out of the hospital and deport them?

This is what I mean. Y'all are not thinking things through.

(08-27-2015 10:42 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(08-27-2015 10:38 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-27-2015 10:35 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  The cost to deport illegal immigrants pales in comparison to the cost burden placed on taxpayers for their continued social services and government assistance. In the long-run, it would save the country a fortune.

Source?

And are you also factoring in the loss to our economy by removing millions of consumers?

One of many such studies...

I'm also factoring in the boom the economy will have when we deport illegals and wages rise NATURALLY, due to the market, and not due to government mandated minimum wage increases.

It's one study...from a conservative think tank that even their current leader says is bunk:

Quote:Fox's Stephen Moore: "Almost All Economists Disagree" With Heritage's Claim That Immigrants Harm Economy. On Fox's America's Newsroom,Wall Street Journal editorial board member and Fox News contributor Stephen Moore said the study "leaves the impression" that "immigrants are a cost to the economy. That is one thing almost all economists disagree with,that we are very much benefitted by being a nation of immigrants." [Fox News,America's Newsroom, 5/6/13]

http://mediamatters.org/research/2013/05...lly/193922

Also:
Heritage says immigration reform will cost $5.3 trillion. Here’s why that’s wrong.

Got a credible study?

I don't know how many of you have lived/traveled extensively in/into Mexico. But I'll tell you something they're tougher on immigrants than we'll ever be. They'll deport an immigrant as fast as you can say "what?" The Illegal Immigrant here knows this. I know that there are very few people that would want to migrate to Mexico illegally because the waiting list to do it legally is very low (I'm speaking of ex-pats). Also you have to prove to them that you can support yourself and not be a burden to them (as if they had programs for the indigent is laughable). There "el que no trabaja, no come". He that does not work, does not eat.

The Mexican government laughs at us for being so poosified and we're subjects of ridicule to the average Mexican. I've got a LOTS of experience with Mexico so I'm ahead of this game than some of you. No s**t.

But, let's give Mexico a break too. Not all illegals are Mexican, many, many are Central and South Americans, mostly Central. It's not hard to deport them either. We shudder to even think about it because we're displacing families, but I ask you, whose fault is it? I'm sure that they feared the deportation outcome could come so it won't come as a surprise. They'll just settle down with the families they left behind. The anchor babies when they feel mature enough to venture to their birth country will be able to come back as he/she are American citizens and only them, not the whole family. No one can deny them their birthright and it's justified.

Here's what nobody's talking about. What would happen if we did deport them?

How many are there? 10 million, 20 million, take your pick. Assume that we were somehow able to round them all up and send them back to Mexico. How can Mexico handle 10-20 million additional people dumped in their lap? Answer, they can't. Mexico very quickly becomes a failed, anarchic state. Do we really want Somalia on our southern border?

Best solution is to get our arms around the problem that we have now. Some sort of guest worker status allows them to register and be located and counted and that seems to be the first step toward getting control of the domestic problem. At the same time, take steps to secure the border.

(08-27-2015 12:20 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Here's what nobody's talking about. What would happen if we did deport them?

How many are there? 10 million, 20 million, take your pick. Assume that we were somehow able to round them all up and send them back to Mexico. How can Mexico handle 10-20 million additional people dumped in their lap? Answer, they can't. Mexico very quickly becomes a failed, anarchic state. Do we really want Somalia on our southern border?

Best solution is to get our arms around the problem that we have now. Some sort of guest worker status allows them to register and be located and counted and that seems to be the first step toward getting control of the domestic problem. At the same time, take steps to secure the border.

Excellent point, Owl. Like I said it's not hard to deport them if we wanted to I just didn't delve into that other aspect that you brought up. Have the Anchor Baby keep his citizenship and have the fathers, mothers, siblings remain as a family but under no circumstance should they get automatic citizenship. They have to prove themselves as honest hard working individuals in a guest worker status. The anchor baby doesn't have to start all over again in a foreign country (which would be an automatic stumbling block) and the family who probably already have established themselves in the U.S. are allowed to remain.

But the first step should be to stop the flow. You can't build a dam before stopping the flow and that's usually done by employing an alternate route.

(08-27-2015 12:20 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Here's what nobody's talking about. What would happen if we did deport them?

How many are there? 10 million, 20 million, take your pick. Assume that we were somehow able to round them all up and send them back to Mexico. How can Mexico handle 10-20 million additional people dumped in their lap? Answer, they can't. Mexico very quickly becomes a failed, anarchic state. Do we really want Somalia on our southern border?

Best solution is to get our arms around the problem that we have now. Some sort of guest worker status allows them to register and be located and counted and that seems to be the first step toward getting control of the domestic problem. At the same time, take steps to secure the border.

1. Secure the border
2. Deploy e-Verify
3. Enact a worker program


That will cause the illegals who want jobs to leave and come back legally. They will deport themselves if they can not get work, and others are receiving work by doing it the legal way.

We dont have to round up 10 million people. We have to round up the criminals and thugs, which we should already be doing. Everyone else will leave and come back legally on their own the moment their kids cant go to school, they cant get welfare, and they cant get jobs.

(08-27-2015 11:54 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-27-2015 10:42 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(08-27-2015 10:38 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-27-2015 10:35 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  The cost to deport illegal immigrants pales in comparison to the cost burden placed on taxpayers for their continued social services and government assistance. In the long-run, it would save the country a fortune.

Source?

And are you also factoring in the loss to our economy by removing millions of consumers?

One of many such studies...

I'm also factoring in the boom the economy will have when we deport illegals and wages rise NATURALLY, due to the market, and not due to government mandated minimum wage increases.

It's one study...from a conservative think tank that even their current leader says is bunk:

Quote:Fox's Stephen Moore: "Almost All Economists Disagree" With Heritage's Claim That Immigrants Harm Economy. On Fox's America's Newsroom,Wall Street Journal editorial board member and Fox News contributor Stephen Moore said the study "leaves the impression" that "immigrants are a cost to the economy. That is one thing almost all economists disagree with,that we are very much benefitted by being a nation of immigrants." [Fox News,America's Newsroom, 5/6/13]

http://mediamatters.org/research/2013/05...lly/193922

Also:
Heritage says immigration reform will cost $5.3 trillion. Here’s why that’s wrong.

Got a credible study?

Why do you disingenuous leftists always conflate "immigrants" with ILLEGAL aliens invaders?

No one is proposing deportation of LEGAL immigrants, only the fence jumpers.

As they enter one system of another- criminal justice, trying to leech off society, pinged by e-verify or whatever else it is, then yea. One way ticky to a city in the mother country of your choice. We pick you up again it's a mandatory year and we boot yer asss out again, only this time you get to pay for the plane ride and another 500-1000 bucks for our inconvenience. Then have it scale up from there if it continues.

And the very idea you're trying to debunk a Heritage study by a using a hit piece from that fraud Brock and that useless Soros hack outfit mediamush is beyond comical.

Got a credible study showing illegal aliens are a net positive to the entirety of this Country? Bet not.