Savagery.

Barbarism.

(08-24-2015 10:12 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Savagery.

Barbarism.

history

mankind

can't flip the switch

dollars rule

should I have used a hashtag.....neither god nor jesus can change human behavior in totality.....

as much as that sucks.....you can't run from it....

we're human.....it's what we do....we can only attempt to contain...

and god ain't the fk'n answer....

sorry man, I had to say what I believe....it's no different than what you believe....

and we both want the same result......always know that....

(08-24-2015 10:20 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 10:12 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Savagery.

Barbarism.

history

mankind

can't flip the switch

dollars rule

should I have used a hashtag.....neither god nor jesus can change human behavior in totality.....

as much as that sucks.....you can't run from it....

we're human.....it's what we do....we can only attempt to contain...

and god ain't the fk'n answer....

sorry man, I had to say what I believe....it's no different than what you believe....

and we both want the same result......always know that....

Free will is as much a curse as it is a blessing my friend.

I held these same views when I was completely irreligious.

To me, it's common sense. Common moral sense. It's an atrocity.

Usually I don't let "feels" get to me in debates and such, but I gladly admit that they very much affect how strongly I feel about this. I don't care.

(08-24-2015 10:25 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 10:20 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 10:12 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Savagery.

Barbarism.

history

mankind

can't flip the switch

dollars rule

should I have used a hashtag.....neither god nor jesus can change human behavior in totality.....

as much as that sucks.....you can't run from it....

we're human.....it's what we do....we can only attempt to contain...

and god ain't the fk'n answer....

sorry man, I had to say what I believe....it's no different than what you believe....

and we both want the same result......always know that....

Free will is as much a curse as it is a blessing my friend.

I held these same views when I was completely irreligious.

To me, it's common sense. Common moral sense. It's an atrocity.

Usually I don't let "feels" get to me in debates and such, but I gladly admit that they very much affect how strongly I feel about this. I don't care.

we both want the same thing...this is wrong in any sense....

what's unfortunate about humans and believing in a god, is that genetic engineering is right around the corner....and it's going to happen...

hence, the next battle begins.....

I don't like it.....but it's times we live in....

(08-21-2015 06:38 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  This country will pay for these sins.

we already are.

(08-24-2015 09:55 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 09:21 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-20-2015 09:44 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  http://liveactionnews.org/new-planned-pa...earts-cut/

The dirty little secret about abortion is that once you get into the second trimester they tend to kill the baby just before abortion. This is usually done by injecting the baby with a chemical that stop it's heart.

But once injected with the compound then the tissue would not be suitable for medical research.

Quote:In an interview with Breitbart News, Dr. Theresa Deisher noted that “babies in some of these cases were alive until their hearts were cut out” for harvesting.

Deisher, who aided the Center for Medical Progress in exposing Planned Parenthood’s illegal and disturbing practice of selling the body parts of aborted babies, suspects that some children may been kept alive until their hearts were cut out, in order to best preserve the organs for harvesting. She explains:

If you read scientific publications, in which they use the fetal material for some indications, particularly, cardio-vascular, or nerve cell research, they discuss the necessity of having tissue in the digesting buffer solution within five minutes for optimal yields. So, within five minutes of death, you would have to have the heart removed, and flushed of all blood, cleaned of any extra tissue that might be there, and the heart put into a liquid with enzymes that would digest the connective tissue and release the muscle cells.

Sometimes, they use an apparatus where they hook the heart up and they would flush fluid through it to keep it alive and beating. And you can’t have a dead heart that’s going to work in that kind of process.

Of course the media won't talk about this at all. We have hours of stories about a lion in Africa to talk about.

While yes, this is disturbing emotionally when you're emotionally involved, this is not illegal!

Why do you read stuff that flat out lies to you?

It is absolutely illegal if they are negotiating prices and altering abortion practices in order to obtain the organs. Being compensated for organs procured from a standard abortion is not illegal even if it it morally objectionable. Throughout these videos it has been pretty clearly demonstrated that PP has at a minimum discussed altering abortions to obtain organs, and engaged in more than a strict compensation program - both illegal practices.

Clear to those blinded by their emotions...yes. To those concerned with the rule of law and the principles of our founding...not so much.

Remember...these videos were brought to some congressional Republicans weeks if not months before their release to the public. Curious why their release was not held up and why they weren't turned over to proper law enforcement officials?

(08-24-2015 10:44 AM)No Bull Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 06:38 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  This country will pay for these sins.

we already are.

Interesting "logic".

It's okay to be blinded by emotions regarding spending billions in taxpayer money for the "poor," "unfortunate," and "underprivileged" but not for humans with beating hearts being subject to failed murder-attempts then prodded like a science experiment.

Good logic.

(08-24-2015 11:11 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  It's okay to be blinded by emotions regarding spending billions in taxpayer money for the "poor," "unfortunate," and "underprivileged" but not for humans with beating hearts being subject to failed murder-attempts then prodded like a science experiment.

Good logic.

Failed murder attempts?

1. It's not murder.
2. They aren't humans.
3. It's still not illegal.

Does the concept of abortion really become more disgusting to you because the tissues are harvested and the way it takes place? Would you like it better if they were just discarded and not used for science?

And again, nobody is spending billions of dollars in taxpayer money for abortions. THAT is illegal.

(08-24-2015 12:19 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 11:11 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  It's okay to be blinded by emotions regarding spending billions in taxpayer money for the "poor," "unfortunate," and "underprivileged" but not for humans with beating hearts being subject to failed murder-attempts then prodded like a science experiment.

Good logic.

Failed murder attempts?

1. It's not murder.
2. They aren't humans.
3. It's still not illegal.

Does the concept of abortion really become more disgusting to you because the tissues are harvested and the way it takes place? Would you like it better if they were just discarded and not used for science?

And again, nobody is spending billions of dollars in taxpayer money for abortions. THAT is illegal.

You're sick in the head.

Quote:Psalm 127:3 - Behold, children are a heritage from the Lord, the fruit of the womb a reward.

Psalm 139:13-16 - For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother's womb. I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works; my soul knows it very well. My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately woven in the depths of the earth. Your eyes saw my unformed substance; in your book were written, every one of them, the days that were formed for me, when as yet there was none of them.

Ecclesiastes 11:5 - As you do not know the way the spirit comes to the bones in the womb of a woman with child, so you do not know the work of God who makes everything.

Amos 1:13 - Thus says the Lord: “For three transgressions of the Ammonites, and for four, I will not revoke the punishment, because they have ripped open pregnant women in Gilead, that they might enlarge their border.

Matthew 19:14-17 - But Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me and do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of heaven.” And he laid his hands on them and went away. And behold, a man came up to him, saying, “Teacher, what good deed must I do to have eternal life?” And he said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments.”

Your Amos verse has zip to do with abortions. Anyone in their right mind knows this...so who's the sick one? Using the Bible in this way is just sad. Sorry.

(08-24-2015 01:23 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Your Amos verse has zip to do with abortions. Anyone in their right mind knows this...so who's the sick one? Using the Bible in this way is just sad. Sorry.

This has gone way beyond just "abortions."

(08-24-2015 12:19 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 11:11 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  It's okay to be blinded by emotions regarding spending billions in taxpayer money for the "poor," "unfortunate," and "underprivileged" but not for humans with beating hearts being subject to failed murder-attempts then prodded like a science experiment.

Good logic.

Failed murder attempts?

1. It's not murder.
2. They aren't humans.

YOU HAVENT EVEN WATCHED THE VIDEOS.

(08-24-2015 01:44 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 12:19 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 11:11 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  It's okay to be blinded by emotions regarding spending billions in taxpayer money for the "poor," "unfortunate," and "underprivileged" but not for humans with beating hearts being subject to failed murder-attempts then prodded like a science experiment.

Good logic.

Failed murder attempts?

1. It's not murder.
2. They aren't humans.

YOU HAVENT EVEN WATCHED THE VIDEOS.

You see...that's what happens when you first try to deceive.

And if you expect me to apologize for not watching propaganda, you're sadly mistaken. You wouldn't watch it from the other side either.

(08-24-2015 01:44 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 01:23 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Your Amos verse has zip to do with abortions. Anyone in their right mind knows this...so who's the sick one? Using the Bible in this way is just sad. Sorry.

This has gone way beyond just "abortions."

Right....that whole trying to eliminate the blacks who just happen to be their target voting bloc? Righhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhht.

(08-24-2015 02:18 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 01:44 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 12:19 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 11:11 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  It's okay to be blinded by emotions regarding spending billions in taxpayer money for the "poor," "unfortunate," and "underprivileged" but not for humans with beating hearts being subject to failed murder-attempts then prodded like a science experiment.

Good logic.

Failed murder attempts?

1. It's not murder.
2. They aren't humans.

YOU HAVENT EVEN WATCHED THE VIDEOS.

You see...that's what happens when you first try to deceive.

And if you expect me to apologize for not watching propaganda, you're sadly mistaken. You wouldn't watch it from the other side either.

Full, unedited videos are available.

You insist on conversing about this even though you refuse to even watch it.......you bury your head in the sand and talk aimlessly.

(08-24-2015 02:20 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 01:44 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 01:23 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Your Amos verse has zip to do with abortions. Anyone in their right mind knows this...so who's the sick one? Using the Bible in this way is just sad. Sorry.

This has gone way beyond just "abortions."

Right....that whole trying to eliminate the blacks who just happen to be their target voting bloc? Righhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhht.

Again, if you think this is just about abortion.....then guy who obviously hasn't watched the videos obviously hasn't watched the videos.

(08-24-2015 01:44 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 01:23 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Your Amos verse has zip to do with abortions. Anyone in their right mind knows this...so who's the sick one? Using the Bible in this way is just sad. Sorry.

This has gone way beyond just "abortions."

agree

two completely separate issues

I may be a twisted fk when it comes to expression....but that shite is no different than eating flesh from the bone of a human....

disclaimer: it's not like they are the Donners that took the supposed shortcut and wrong path trying to navigate the Sierra Nevada (cannibalism to save the google)

(08-24-2015 02:20 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 01:44 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(08-24-2015 01:23 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Your Amos verse has zip to do with abortions. Anyone in their right mind knows this...so who's the sick one? Using the Bible in this way is just sad. Sorry.

This has gone way beyond just "abortions."

Right....that whole trying to eliminate the blacks who just happen to be their target voting bloc? Righhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhht.

it's not an enigma why people respond to you the way they do.....you'd get laughed off a 2nd grade debate stage as someone hands you the 'bucket-0-poo' award.....

disclaimer: and some wonder why I write like a third grader....

Why would anyone waste their time dude? It's fruit from a poisonous tree. They were not above board from the onset. That's not my fault.

Besides, the whole videos make your case weaker.

Unspinning the Planned Parenthood Video