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RE: Cooley Law School
Cooley needs to improve its best on a daily basis. They have poor results by some measures, but with a proper vision for the future, they can establish a process to become elite.

Med school, I expect the grads will be very competitive with those other old, tired, overrated programs in the state that have become complacent over the years. It is a basic tenet of our capitalist economy that competition leads to better products and outcomes. So some UM grads have to take their residencies elsewhere? Fine with me, Broncos lead, don't follow.

State supported? Surely you jest. WMU has not received a majority of funding from tax dollars since way back in the Haenicke years. We are a customer driven organization, a market based approach, seeking constant process improvement to drive excellence in execution.
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Gull- you asked if that extremely generous contribution could've been used elsewhere besides him at school.

The donor's father was a renowned Dr. in the community. That said, if imagine they'd prefer there hundred million dollar donation go to something related to medicine than to some generic pool of money for the university.
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(08-18-2015 10:43 AM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  Gull- you asked if that extremely generous contribution could've been used elsewhere besides him at school.

The donor's father was a renowned Dr. in the community. That said, if imagine they'd prefer there hundred million dollar donation go to something related to medicine than to some generic pool of money for the university.

Thanks, Chipdip2.

Here is another article detailing how the State of Michigan will not benefit from the new med schools at WMU, OU and CMU.

http://bridgemi.com/2012/06/michigan-get...ctor-bust/
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(08-17-2015 05:37 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  Lawyers on the other hand are a dime a dozen, often have to create problems that they then have to fix.

Everyone hates lawyers until they need one. Doesn't help many end up becoming lawmakers.
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My primary physician retired recently and I had a eight-month wait to see my new physician and he recently decided he will not be taking on any new patients either .

There is no physician shortage If being booked out for months is fine with the patients.

Keep in mind that a large majority of those UM and MSU grads leave the state after graduating, and the majority of them tend to specialize.

But I do agree that some of these will fall by the wayside, Both the CMU and OU schools or cobble together on shoestring budgets, were set up with minimal planning. Because there is no major hospital in Mount Pleasant the CMU school is in Midland.
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(08-18-2015 11:23 AM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  My primary physician retired recently and I had a eight-month wait to see my new physician and he recently decided he will not be taking on any new patients either .

There is no physician shortage If being booked out for months is fine with the patients.

Keep in mind that a large majority of those UM and MSU grads leave the state after graduating, and the majority of them tend to specialize.

But I do agree that some of these will fall by the wayside, Both the CMU and OU schools or cobble together on shoestring budgets, were set up with minimal planning. Because there is no major hospital in Mount Pleasant the CMU school is in Midland.
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CMU's med school will close in 4-5 years.
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(08-18-2015 11:21 AM)Charm City Bronco Wrote:  
(08-17-2015 05:37 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  Lawyers on the other hand are a dime a dozen, often have to create problems that they then have to fix.

Everyone hates lawyers until they need one. Doesn't help many end up becoming lawmakers.

That's exactly how I felt. We still need anit-SLAPP legistlation passed at the federal level.
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I don't understand the focus on soley the State of Michigan having a need for physicians being the only metric. Whack.
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(08-18-2015 01:32 PM)rtletterman Wrote:  I don't understand the focus on soley the State of Michigan having a need for physicians being the only metric. Whack.

Whack?

Hmmm. Based on your posts, it appears your maturity and depth leaves you better off commenting on uniform designs than graduate programs.
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I still don't get the argument that the med school will or won't benefit the state of Michigan as if that's the main driver for going up with one.

You would think that there are no Federal dollars hitting the school by that rationale.
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(08-18-2015 03:21 PM)rtletterman Wrote:  
(08-18-2015 01:55 PM)GullLake Wrote:  
(08-18-2015 01:32 PM)rtletterman Wrote:  I don't understand the focus on soley the State of Michigan having a need for physicians being the only metric. Whack.

Whack?

Hmmm. Based on your posts, it appears your maturity and depth leaves you better off commenting on uniform designs than graduate programs.

How is Gull Lake's water quality these days? Hmmmm.

Thanks for backing-up last post.

Regarding the State of Michigan focus, I never said WMU should focus "soley" on the State of Michigan.

However, WMU received $104.15 million in Michigan tax dollars last year and 87 percent of its students are from Michigan. So, yes, Michigan's needs and priorities should also be WMU's needs and priorities. It is a Michigan school supported by Michigan tax and tuition dollars.
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(08-18-2015 03:29 PM)GullLake Wrote:  
(08-18-2015 03:21 PM)rtletterman Wrote:  
(08-18-2015 01:55 PM)GullLake Wrote:  
(08-18-2015 01:32 PM)rtletterman Wrote:  I don't understand the focus on soley the State of Michigan having a need for physicians being the only metric. Whack.

Whack?

Hmmm. Based on your posts, it appears your maturity and depth leaves you better off commenting on uniform designs than graduate programs.

How is Gull Lake's water quality these days? Hmmmm.

Thanks for backing-up last post.

Regarding the State of Michigan focus, I never said WMU should focus "soley" on the State of Michigan.

However, WMU received $104.15 million in Michigan tax dollars last year and 87 percent of its students are from Michigan. So, yes, Michigan's needs and priorities should also be WMU's needs and priorities. It is a Michigan school supported by Michigan tax and tuition dollars.

What about the students needs and priorities? They bear the cost burden more than tax dollars. WMU is a tax assisted university.

That and the market fluctuates, what's the case today won't be the case in the future as far as demand for general practitioners. That was taken in account when they scoped the med school.
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Quote:CMU's med school will close in 4-5 years.

That's because they steal purses.

I could see how the privately-funded Med school for WMU, with it's aim focusing on where the state does have shortages, can be a good thing. Especially when pointed out that there's lots of retirements happening + more people getting healthcare on the rise in general. I don't see it as a bad thing, and if it is privately funded, it may be a good idea as long as it wouldn't be the most horrible idea in the world if mostly publicly funded.
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I was concerned about the mentioned limits on the number residency positions so, I emailed the Dean at WMU Med. His response was interesting. There is no actual limit on the number of residency positions hospitals and schools can have (but they must pay the cost), but there is a limit on the number the Government will provide financial help for. Additionally the limit is such that currently foreign medical school graduates take (several thousand) available slots as there are too few US students. Based on current projections there are enough foreign slots to cover the next 6 to 7 years of graduate growth in the US schools. So WMU, CMU and Oakland have plenty of slots to take from the foreign graduates applying and Congress encourages more US students to fill the positions and have not changed the limit since 1996. He also mentioned that in the last 20 years there have been 20 new medical schools in the US (including the 3 in Michigan with each adding a 100 graduates per year for 300 slots) there are thousands of slots available.

I found a residency web site that indicated in 2014, 96 per cent of US graduates were accepted to their first choice residency slot on the first try, 3 per cent would be accepted to a second choice, the remaining 1 per cent would either be rejected (usually academic issues) or have to wait a year for selection.

The three new schools can succeed in meeting the shortage of US graduates, but may not put a dent in the total need and foreign students will make up the difference.
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So this thread is interesting.

I am a lawyer...not Cooley grad however. I too agree that there are too many lawyers. In the past 5 years, I have advertised for and hired new support staff at my rural SW Michigan law firm. It was sad to see law school graduates applying for secretary/receptionist positions. If a person is bright enough to graduate law school and pass the bar, I would hope they could work as an attorney, not support staff. Unfortunately, there are a lot of law school grads who are working odd jobs, and trying to figure out how to pay off a large student loan debt.

I graduated law school at a different time from a very different law school. I had a job waiting for me. Cooley was simply too big which caused the dilution of their brand. Hopefully by becoming smaller, their brand will improve.
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(08-18-2015 09:42 PM)Bronco68 Wrote:  I was concerned about the mentioned limits on the number residency positions so, I emailed the Dean at WMU Med. His response was interesting. There is no actual limit on the number of residency positions hospitals and schools can have (but they must pay the cost), but there is a limit on the number the Government will provide financial help for. Additionally the limit is such that currently foreign medical school graduates take (several thousand) available slots as there are too few US students. Based on current projections there are enough foreign slots to cover the next 6 to 7 years of graduate growth in the US schools. So WMU, CMU and Oakland have plenty of slots to take from the foreign graduates applying and Congress encourages more US students to fill the positions and have not changed the limit since 1996. He also mentioned that in the last 20 years there have been 20 new medical schools in the US (including the 3 in Michigan with each adding a 100 graduates per year for 300 slots) there are thousands of slots available.

I found a residency web site that indicated in 2014, 96 per cent of US graduates were accepted to their first choice residency slot on the first try, 3 per cent would be accepted to a second choice, the remaining 1 per cent would either be rejected (usually academic issues) or have to wait a year for selection.

The three new schools can succeed in meeting the shortage of US graduates, but may not put a dent in the total need and foreign students will make up the difference.
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(08-18-2015 09:42 PM)Bronco68 Wrote:  I was concerned about the mentioned limits on the number residency positions so, I emailed the Dean at WMU Med. His response was interesting. There is no actual limit on the number of residency positions hospitals and schools can have (but they must pay the cost), but there is a limit on the number the Government will provide financial help for. Additionally the limit is such that currently foreign medical school graduates take (several thousand) available slots as there are too few US students. Based on current projections there are enough foreign slots to cover the next 6 to 7 years of graduate growth in the US schools. So WMU, CMU and Oakland have plenty of slots to take from the foreign graduates applying and Congress encourages more US students to fill the positions and have not changed the limit since 1996. He also mentioned that in the last 20 years there have been 20 new medical schools in the US (including the 3 in Michigan with each adding a 100 graduates per year for 300 slots) there are thousands of slots available.

I found a residency web site that indicated in 2014, 96 per cent of US graduates were accepted to their first choice residency slot on the first try, 3 per cent would be accepted to a second choice, the remaining 1 per cent would either be rejected (usually academic issues) or have to wait a year for selection.

The three new schools can succeed in meeting the shortage of US graduates, but may not put a dent in the total need and foreign students will make up the difference.

Bronco68 -

Great information and thoughtful post. Please provide a link to the residency website at your convenience. Also, thank you for contacting the dean.

Like it or not, for better or worse, WMU has a med school. Let's hope it is successful because the alternative is something none of us want or will accept.

The law school has already demonstrated itself as a failure. Let's hope our administrators and leadership are more thorough examining the needs of WMU's constituencies and mission before pursuing new ventures. WMU exists to be a service driven institution, not a narcissistic one.
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According to the Medical Industry, there will be a 90,000 doctor shortage for GP'S in the next 10 years...
WMU has a set aside program for both WMU and K College grads who meet the requirements..
62 new students were admitted to this years fall class....This came from over 4,000 applications....
No PUBLIC money used in the med-school endeavor.
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It's amazing to me that people would actually believe that the institution would make these kinds of choices (Med and Law schools) without doing their homework. How little do you actually think of your institution?

Of all the chatter we get from rivals and from fans of bigger schools who look down upon us, it's the severe lack of trust in the ability and quality of WMU from our own alumni that saddens me the most.
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