(09-22-2015 11:07 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(09-22-2015 08:53 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(09-20-2015 06:28 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(09-20-2015 05:59 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(09-19-2015 07:47 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Nope.. Instate bowls like instate teams because they travel better. So again having coastal makes the sunbelt a more attractive partner no matter who the opponent is.

Didn't say theyd sign an exclusive contract. Look at the no bowl and ull of you want an example of the conference working with the bowl to give them who they want

The bowl game likes whoever sells the most tickets and buys the most hotel rooms.

Right now, Coastal doesn't have that many fans. Furman and Citadel have more fans. Probably Wofford, too.


But anyway, your argument only works if you can prove that the Sun Belt specifically gave the New Orleans bowl first choice of SB bowl eligible teams so that it could select ULL every season.

I highly doubt that was the case. More likely, the SB was the only conference that was willing to give the NO Bowl its first choice. I'm sure the NO Bowl would rather have first choice of CUSA teams. Then it could choose Tulane or LT every year.


There are already four bowls ahead of this Charleston bowl for the SB.

You can doubt all you want but ask arkansas st fans in 2011 and 2012 how their no bowl trip was

I didn't doubt anything. I explained that the NO Bowl negotiated for and paid the SB for the first choice of SB bowl eligible teams.

If the NO Bowl wants to take 6-6 ULL over 8-4 ASU, that's the bowl's prerogative.

Exactly my point. So if NO Bowl can negotiate to get the right to take ULL everytime if that is who they want, then why can't a Charleston Bowl?

If Charleston Bowl wants to pay the Sun Belt the more money than the NO Bowl is paying, when the current contract runs out, then it can have the first pick of SB bowl eligible teams.

Of course, no guarantee that Coastal will be eligible. Also no guarantee that they'll want to take Coastal.

Georgia Southern and App St have significantly more fans than Coastal (right now) and it wouldn't be hard for either's fanbase to travel to Charleston. So the bowl might want those teams instead.

Living here in Charleston, Georgia Southern, App, and Coastal all have pretty good fan bases. There are some pretty significant Georgia Southern alums here (the chief meteorologist and sports director, who is Coach Fritz's daughter, at one of our TV stations).

Coastal has only grown in the past few years. I don't know any Georgia St. folks. App State, Coastal and Georgia Southern would all bring at least 5K, perhaps as many as 10K, to a Charleston bowl game.

I think I made this argument somewhere else on the board (hell, maybe it's in this thread and I'm just a lazy jerkwad), but it's a shame that bowls can't draw from regional pools instead of conferences. A Charleston bowl would have a multitude of AAC, CUSA and Sun Belt choices (not to mention the possibility of lower-rung ACC and SEC teams). By aligning with conferences, it limits their regional school opportunities greatly. But you can't unring a bell ...

That is kinda how G5 bowls are distributing bids now, unofficially. CUSA East teams never get Texas bowls for example. It makes too much sense than to try to do the traditional champion goes to this specific bowl model

(09-24-2015 04:53 PM)solohawks Wrote:  That is kinda how G5 bowls are distributing bids now, unofficially. CUSA East teams never get Texas bowls for example. It makes too much sense than to try to do the traditional champion goes to this specific bowl model

I guess I mean more like bowls picking from a regional pool of teams, irrespective of conference. So instead of the Sun Belt or CUSA providing the host school, it would come from the South Atlantic pool (Coastal Carolina, Charlotte, East Carolina, Appalachian State, Old Dominion, Navy, Marshall, Georgia Southern, Georgia State, and Navy, with the ACC and SEC schools from the Virginia-to-Georgia corridor as standby options in case they don't get one of their conference's bids but still qualify). That way, the Charleston bowl is pretty much guaranteed to get a regional team and probably get two.

It's not workable in today's climate but it'd probably be beneficial for the lower bowls to drop the conference-vs.-conference schematic and try for nonrematch regional pairings.

(09-24-2015 05:53 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(09-24-2015 04:53 PM)solohawks Wrote:  That is kinda how G5 bowls are distributing bids now, unofficially. CUSA East teams never get Texas bowls for example. It makes too much sense than to try to do the traditional champion goes to this specific bowl model

I guess I mean more like bowls picking from a regional pool of teams, irrespective of conference. So instead of the Sun Belt or CUSA providing the host school, it would come from the South Atlantic pool (Coastal Carolina, Charlotte, East Carolina, Appalachian State, Old Dominion, Navy, Marshall, Georgia Southern, Georgia State, and Navy, with the ACC and SEC schools from the Virginia-to-Georgia corridor as standby options in case they don't get one of their conference's bids but still qualify). That way, the Charleston bowl is pretty much guaranteed to get a regional team and probably get two.

It's not workable in today's climate but it'd probably be beneficial for the lower bowls to drop the conference-vs.-conference schematic and try for nonrematch regional pairings.

I agree 100% however,
That makes too much sense to ever actually occur.

(09-24-2015 05:53 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(09-24-2015 04:53 PM)solohawks Wrote:  That is kinda how G5 bowls are distributing bids now, unofficially. CUSA East teams never get Texas bowls for example. It makes too much sense than to try to do the traditional champion goes to this specific bowl model

I guess I mean more like bowls picking from a regional pool of teams, irrespective of conference. So instead of the Sun Belt or CUSA providing the host school, it would come from the South Atlantic pool (Coastal Carolina, Charlotte, East Carolina, Appalachian State, Old Dominion, Navy, Marshall, Georgia Southern, Georgia State, and Navy, with the ACC and SEC schools from the Virginia-to-Georgia corridor as standby options in case they don't get one of their conference's bids but still qualify). That way, the Charleston bowl is pretty much guaranteed to get a regional team and probably get two.

It's not workable in today's climate but it'd probably be beneficial for the lower bowls to drop the conference-vs.-conference schematic and try for nonrematch regional pairings.

I would love something like this! Nothing is better than when two local rivals play in a big stadium in a city that both school's are fairly close too

(09-24-2015 06:22 PM)cleburneslim Wrote:  

(09-24-2015 05:53 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(09-24-2015 04:53 PM)solohawks Wrote:  That is kinda how G5 bowls are distributing bids now, unofficially. CUSA East teams never get Texas bowls for example. It makes too much sense than to try to do the traditional champion goes to this specific bowl model

I guess I mean more like bowls picking from a regional pool of teams, irrespective of conference. So instead of the Sun Belt or CUSA providing the host school, it would come from the South Atlantic pool (Coastal Carolina, Charlotte, East Carolina, Appalachian State, Old Dominion, Navy, Marshall, Georgia Southern, Georgia State, and Navy, with the ACC and SEC schools from the Virginia-to-Georgia corridor as standby options in case they don't get one of their conference's bids but still qualify). That way, the Charleston bowl is pretty much guaranteed to get a regional team and probably get two.

It's not workable in today's climate but it'd probably be beneficial for the lower bowls to drop the conference-vs.-conference schematic and try for nonrematch regional pairings.

I agree 100% however,
That makes too much sense to ever actually occur.

I think it's starting to happen. Navy's got a tie-in it isn't sharing with the AAC. I suspect anything less than P5 affiliation will keep BYU's pot to itself. It had to start with independence, but I wouldn't be surprised if what Navy has doesn't get the wheels turning elsewhere with certain venues and schools. Likely to leave some scars, though.

(09-25-2015 07:15 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Navy's got a tie-in it isn't sharing with the AAC.

Navy will play in the Military Bowl this year (in their own stadium) if they are bowl-eligible, but another AAC team gets the spot if Navy doesn't win 6.

There would probably need to be some changes to NCAA and conference bylaws to thoroughly implement bowls signing with teams or pools of teams.

(09-25-2015 11:11 AM)chargeradio Wrote:  There would probably need to be some changes to NCAA and conference bylaws to thoroughly implement bowls signing with teams or pools of teams.

And why would everyone bother with that, when there is already a system that works for everyone?

Bowls sign contracts with conferences.

Conferences are the historical, traditional basis of college football. Not the NCAA and its divisions. Not the CFP. And certainly not "pools of regional teams", however one chooses to define that.

(09-24-2015 07:22 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(09-24-2015 05:53 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(09-24-2015 04:53 PM)solohawks Wrote:  That is kinda how G5 bowls are distributing bids now, unofficially. CUSA East teams never get Texas bowls for example. It makes too much sense than to try to do the traditional champion goes to this specific bowl model

I guess I mean more like bowls picking from a regional pool of teams, irrespective of conference. So instead of the Sun Belt or CUSA providing the host school, it would come from the South Atlantic pool (Coastal Carolina, Charlotte, East Carolina, Appalachian State, Old Dominion, Navy, Marshall, Georgia Southern, Georgia State, and Navy, with the ACC and SEC schools from the Virginia-to-Georgia corridor as standby options in case they don't get one of their conference's bids but still qualify). That way, the Charleston bowl is pretty much guaranteed to get a regional team and probably get two.

It's not workable in today's climate but it'd probably be beneficial for the lower bowls to drop the conference-vs.-conference schematic and try for nonrematch regional pairings.

I would love something like this! Nothing is better than when two local rivals play in a big stadium in a city that both school's are fairly close too

Sounds like a good regular season game, to me.