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(08-14-2015 01:26 AM)2Intense Wrote:  Bob, you and I simply do not share the same view on this. I believe it's very arrogant to think that you are owed an explanation. Frankly it's none of your business.
It's not about me. It is about the public's right to know what is going on with the program. Basically what you are saying is, "don't worry about what we are doing, it is none of your damn business...now come to our games and spend your hard earned money to help support the program!"
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(08-13-2015 09:57 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  With all due respect, this isn't Division II football. Rest assured, if Connor Cook got his face messed up over there at MSU and Coach Dantonio didn't address the media about it, there would be a national outcry. That also applies to the second and third string QB's as well. It is part of a coaches job to explain things to the media, fans, alumni, potential recruit's parents. EVERYONE is entitled to an explanation when an assault in committed in the football program, well normal DI programs, that is. That is why he gets paid more than the important EMU employees, like you know, the professors.

False. So false. Dantonio never made a public comment about why one of his best defensive players (Max Bullough) was suspended for the Rose Bowl. All we have are rumors.

Coaches and programs have no obligation to tell you why someone was disciplined. It really is none of your business. I still don't think you honestly believe half of the garbage you type. You go to some hilarious extremes.
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This is a really interesting conversation.
The one thing I would encourage people to remember is that there are a number of family members of student athletes who read and participate on these boards.
So there are varying degrees of "access" to "inside" information. Some of this information may be spot on. Some of this information may be heavily slanted because of perception. It's the nature of sports at pretty much all levels.
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Any thoughts on KaJohn Armstrong? I thought he would be in the mix
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(08-14-2015 07:23 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  
(08-13-2015 09:57 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  With all due respect, this isn't Division II football. Rest assured, if Connor Cook got his face messed up over there at MSU and Coach Dantonio didn't address the media about it, there would be a national outcry. That also applies to the second and third string QB's as well. It is part of a coaches job to explain things to the media, fans, alumni, potential recruit's parents. EVERYONE is entitled to an explanation when an assault in committed in the football program, well normal DI programs, that is. That is why he gets paid more than the important EMU employees, like you know, the professors.

False. So false. Dantonio never made a public comment about why one of his best defensive players (Max Bullough) was suspended for the Rose Bowl. All we have are rumors.

Coaches and programs have no obligation to tell you why someone was disciplined. It really is none of your business. I still don't think you honestly believe half of the garbage you type. You go to some hilarious extremes.
You are out of your mind. Of course he's not going to address a kid missing curfew the day before the biggest game of the year. A little different than a teammate kicking the living s**t out of your QB. Get a clue, understand competitive athletics.
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(08-14-2015 08:03 AM)vannzee Wrote:  Any thoughts on KaJohn Armstrong? I thought he would be in the mix

Probably too early to tell but in the interview CC refers to his frosh OL , I think he's very impressed with the 3 guys in the 2015 class.
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(08-14-2015 08:03 AM)vannzee Wrote:  Any thoughts on KaJohn Armstrong? I thought he would be in the mix

He appears to be very athletic for an offensive lineman, 31" vertical is pretty impressive with decent strength.

If you heard CC's day 4 interview, he was reluctant to name specific younger players that may be pushing for playing time but later mentions that the redshirt freshmen class he expects to make a contribution He specifically mentioned the offensive line, Shaq Vann, Ian Erickson, Blake Banham, Lemar Harris and "some on the defensive side".

BTW, Banham is apparently playing both as a slot receiver and as a running back. Sounds similar to how Darius Jackson was used last year. I hear he is a playmaker.
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(08-14-2015 09:36 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(08-14-2015 07:23 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  
(08-13-2015 09:57 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  With all due respect, this isn't Division II football. Rest assured, if Connor Cook got his face messed up over there at MSU and Coach Dantonio didn't address the media about it, there would be a national outcry. That also applies to the second and third string QB's as well. It is part of a coaches job to explain things to the media, fans, alumni, potential recruit's parents. EVERYONE is entitled to an explanation when an assault in committed in the football program, well normal DI programs, that is. That is why he gets paid more than the important EMU employees, like you know, the professors.

False. So false. Dantonio never made a public comment about why one of his best defensive players (Max Bullough) was suspended for the Rose Bowl. All we have are rumors.

Coaches and programs have no obligation to tell you why someone was disciplined. It really is none of your business. I still don't think you honestly believe half of the garbage you type. You go to some hilarious extremes.
You are out of your mind. Of course he's not going to address a kid missing curfew the day before the biggest game of the year. A little different than a teammate kicking the living s**t out of your QB. Get a clue, understand competitive athletics.
It's obvious that you dont understand sports, coaching, building a program, leadership or a whole host of other topics. A leader of young men doesn't expose team drama to the media, fans or the general public. This shows what type of person you are Bob, your $20.00 ticket doesn't buy you an explanation, it buys you a seat to a football game. Feel free to stop attending, im sure people in whatever section you are usually seated will appreciate your absence.
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(08-14-2015 09:36 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(08-14-2015 07:23 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  
(08-13-2015 09:57 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  With all due respect, this isn't Division II football. Rest assured, if Connor Cook got his face messed up over there at MSU and Coach Dantonio didn't address the media about it, there would be a national outcry. That also applies to the second and third string QB's as well. It is part of a coaches job to explain things to the media, fans, alumni, potential recruit's parents. EVERYONE is entitled to an explanation when an assault in committed in the football program, well normal DI programs, that is. That is why he gets paid more than the important EMU employees, like you know, the professors.

False. So false. Dantonio never made a public comment about why one of his best defensive players (Max Bullough) was suspended for the Rose Bowl. All we have are rumors.

Coaches and programs have no obligation to tell you why someone was disciplined. It really is none of your business. I still don't think you honestly believe half of the garbage you type. You go to some hilarious extremes.
You are out of your mind. Of course he's not going to address a kid missing curfew the day before the biggest game of the year. A little different than a teammate kicking the living s**t out of your QB. Get a clue, understand competitive athletics.

If that's why you think Bullough was suspended, then I got a beach house in Idaho to sell to you. And again, it isn't our business. Keep thinking it is though. Whatever makes you feel important.

Get a clue. Understand that coaches have no obligation to tell you about personal issues.
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(08-14-2015 10:00 AM)EMU03 Wrote:  
(08-14-2015 08:03 AM)vannzee Wrote:  Any thoughts on KaJohn Armstrong? I thought he would be in the mix

He appears to be very athletic for an offensive lineman, 31" vertical is pretty impressive with decent strength.

If you heard CC's day 4 interview, he was reluctant to name specific younger players that may be pushing for playing time but later mentions that the redshirt freshmen class he expects to make a contribution He specifically mentioned the offensive line, Shaq Vann, Ian Erickson, Blake Banham, Lemar Harris and "some on the defensive side".

BTW, Banham is apparently playing both as a slot receiver and as a running back. Sounds similar to how Darius Jackson was used last year. I hear he is a playmaker.

I really recommend you hear the interview for yourself, I do expect many of the redshirts from the first recruiting class to play at various times during the year but not in starting roles with a few exceptions. I do expect players from the 2015 class to fill some starting spots one is there are more JUCOs in the 2015 class.
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One thing for certain Bob, you're good at p****** people off. I'm not sure there isn't poster on this board you've offended in one way or another.

But hey I do appreciate your unique perspective on EMU sports.
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(08-13-2015 09:57 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  With all due respect, this isn't Division II football. Rest assured, if Connor Cook got his face messed up over there at MSU and Coach Dantonio didn't address the media about it, there would be a national outcry. That also applies to the second and third string QB's as well. It is part of a coaches job to explain things to the media, fans, alumni, potential recruit's parents. EVERYONE is entitled to an explanation when an assault in committed in the football program, well normal DI programs, that is. That is why he gets paid more than the important EMU employees, like you know, the professors.

Urban Meyer from Ohio State (Division I National Champs I believe) just suspended 4 players. 3 starters including the #1 possible overall pick in next years draft (Joey Bosa), and his response every time he is asked about it......"It was a violation of team policies. That's as far as we'll go."

You are owed zero explanation Bob. Support the team or move on.
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(08-14-2015 03:33 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  
(08-13-2015 09:57 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  With all due respect, this isn't Division II football. Rest assured, if Connor Cook got his face messed up over there at MSU and Coach Dantonio didn't address the media about it, there would be a national outcry. That also applies to the second and third string QB's as well. It is part of a coaches job to explain things to the media, fans, alumni, potential recruit's parents. EVERYONE is entitled to an explanation when an assault in committed in the football program, well normal DI programs, that is. That is why he gets paid more than the important EMU employees, like you know, the professors.

Urban Meyer from Ohio State (Division I National Champs I believe) just suspended 4 players. 3 starters including the #1 possible overall pick in next years draft (Joey Bosa), and his response every time he is asked about it......"It was a violation of team policies. That's as far as we'll go."

You are owed zero explanation Bob. Support the team or move on.

Agree 100%.

The 'rule of thumb' in college sports as I believe it to be:

If it isn't a public criminal matter (in the hands of the law) the school will not provide details.

Various problems could be as simple as missing practices, academic issues, personal conduct, failing drug tests, etc. etc.

A player could miss one game for a failed drug test.

I believe CC has a three strike approach to failed drug tests: first failure, one game; 2nd failure, the season, and 3rd strike, 'you're out'.
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Exactly EMU Steve,

Good luck if every coach disclosed every failed drug test. Can you imagine all the PC police, wannabe football coaches, and hypocrites of every star and stripe, chiming in to tell the football program what they should or shouldn't do?

Let the coaches coach and develop these young men as they see fit. If they don't produce results, they will be gone. If they do something egregious enough inside the program to warrant public scrutiny, you can be sure a player or parent will bring that to light.

I have full confidence in Creighton at this point as a coach and a man. If he can get this program to bowl games and 7-8+ wins/season, over the next 3-4 years, build the man a statue!
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(08-14-2015 03:55 PM)emu steve Wrote:  
(08-14-2015 03:33 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  
(08-13-2015 09:57 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  With all due respect, this isn't Division II football. Rest assured, if Connor Cook got his face messed up over there at MSU and Coach Dantonio didn't address the media about it, there would be a national outcry. That also applies to the second and third string QB's as well. It is part of a coaches job to explain things to the media, fans, alumni, potential recruit's parents. EVERYONE is entitled to an explanation when an assault in committed in the football program, well normal DI programs, that is. That is why he gets paid more than the important EMU employees, like you know, the professors.

Urban Meyer from Ohio State (Division I National Champs I believe) just suspended 4 players. 3 starters including the #1 possible overall pick in next years draft (Joey Bosa), and his response every time he is asked about it......"It was a violation of team policies. That's as far as we'll go."

You are owed zero explanation Bob. Support the team or move on.

Agree 100%.

The 'rule of thumb' in college sports as I believe it to be:

If it isn't a public criminal matter (in the hands of the law) the school will not provide details.

Various problems could be as simple as missing practices, academic issues, personal conduct, failing drug tests, etc. etc.

A player could miss one game for a failed drug test.

I believe CC has a three strike approach to failed drug tests: first failure, one game; 2nd failure, the season, and 3rd strike, 'you're out'.
Steve, generally I agree with your assessments. However, what happened to Brogan Roback was a crime. He suffered serious facial injuries, which essentially ended his season and it could have only been the result of an assault. Now whether or not the program chose to "cover it up" that is really the only question. If that happened to a regular student by a football player, rest assured it would have been a police matter.
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Bob,

Do you have kids? How old was Brogan at the time? Does Brogan have parents? Apparently they handled it internally, like adults. Notwithstanding your unfounded accusations of high crimes and misdemeanors.

Maybe it was old school, and he got a deserved punch in the face. Who knows? He and his parents know, and nobody is in jail. Next.
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(08-14-2015 05:01 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  Bob,

Do you have kids? How old was Brogan at the time? Does Brogan have parents? Apparently they handled it internally, like adults. Notwithstanding your unfounded accusations of high crimes and misdemeanors.

Maybe it was old school, and he got a deserved punch in the face. Who knows? He and his parents know, and nobody is in jail. Next.
I do have a kid. He is a touted RB-LB on a top metro Detroit high school team which will once again compete in the Class A playoffs this fall. I am very proud of him as he is one of the top players on a football powerhouse and will be getting some college football offers. That is precisely why I do not like the way the situation was handled. The guy that injured Roback has not had to answer to anyone for his chickens***, cowardly, selfish act. I guess I prefer the way Todd Boles handled a similar situation for the NY Jets.
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(08-14-2015 05:12 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(08-14-2015 05:01 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  Bob,

Do you have kids? How old was Brogan at the time? Does Brogan have parents? Apparently they handled it internally, like adults. Notwithstanding your unfounded accusations of high crimes and misdemeanors.

Maybe it was old school, and he got a deserved punch in the face. Who knows? He and his parents know, and nobody is in jail. Next.
I do have a kid. He is a touted RB-LB on a top metro Detroit high school team which will once again compete in the Class A playoffs this fall. I am very proud of him as he is one of the top players on a football powerhouse and will be getting some college football offers. That is precisely why I do not like the way the situation was handled. The guy that injured Roback has not had to answer to anyone for his chickens***, cowardly, selfish act. I guess I prefer the way Todd Boles handled a similar situation for the NY Jets.

Perfect. Do you not think Brogan and his parents handled this exactly as they saw fit? Don't you think there would have been something out in public if they believed Creighton or the EMU program handled it incorrectly, or were trying to cover something up?

You would have gone nuts and made this very public if something happened to your son and it wasn't handled the way you and your son thought it should be handled......correct? (Craig James, Mike Leach & Texas Tech come to mind)

Seems like this was handled exactly as it should have been. The lack of criminal charges or public information would suggest you're making more of this than is warranted.
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(08-14-2015 05:35 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  
(08-14-2015 05:12 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(08-14-2015 05:01 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  Bob,

Do you have kids? How old was Brogan at the time? Does Brogan have parents? Apparently they handled it internally, like adults. Notwithstanding your unfounded accusations of high crimes and misdemeanors.

Maybe it was old school, and he got a deserved punch in the face. Who knows? He and his parents know, and nobody is in jail. Next.
I do have a kid. He is a touted RB-LB on a top metro Detroit high school team which will once again compete in the Class A playoffs this fall. I am very proud of him as he is one of the top players on a football powerhouse and will be getting some college football offers. That is precisely why I do not like the way the situation was handled. The guy that injured Roback has not had to answer to anyone for his chickens***, cowardly, selfish act. I guess I prefer the way Todd Boles handled a similar situation for the NY Jets.

Perfect. Do you not think Brogan and his parents handled this exactly as they saw fit? Don't you think there would have been something out in public if they believed Creighton or the EMU program handled it incorrectly, or were trying to cover something up?

You would have gone nuts and made this very public if something happened to your son and it wasn't handled the way you and your son thought it should be handled......correct? (Craig James, Mike Leach & Texas Tech come to mind)

Seems like this was handled exactly as it should have been. The lack of criminal charges or public information would suggest you're making more of this than is warranted.
Okay, I'm going to buy that. But that's all we can do is take it on faith that they have the best interest at heart. I really hope you're right, contrary to what you believe, I really do love EMU and only want them to do well.
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(08-14-2015 05:42 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(08-14-2015 05:35 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  
(08-14-2015 05:12 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(08-14-2015 05:01 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  Bob,

Do you have kids? How old was Brogan at the time? Does Brogan have parents? Apparently they handled it internally, like adults. Notwithstanding your unfounded accusations of high crimes and misdemeanors.

Maybe it was old school, and he got a deserved punch in the face. Who knows? He and his parents know, and nobody is in jail. Next.
I do have a kid. He is a touted RB-LB on a top metro Detroit high school team which will once again compete in the Class A playoffs this fall. I am very proud of him as he is one of the top players on a football powerhouse and will be getting some college football offers. That is precisely why I do not like the way the situation was handled. The guy that injured Roback has not had to answer to anyone for his chickens***, cowardly, selfish act. I guess I prefer the way Todd Boles handled a similar situation for the NY Jets.

Perfect. Do you not think Brogan and his parents handled this exactly as they saw fit? Don't you think there would have been something out in public if they believed Creighton or the EMU program handled it incorrectly, or were trying to cover something up?

You would have gone nuts and made this very public if something happened to your son and it wasn't handled the way you and your son thought it should be handled......correct? (Craig James, Mike Leach & Texas Tech come to mind)

Seems like this was handled exactly as it should have been. The lack of criminal charges or public information would suggest you're making more of this than is warranted.
Okay, I'm going to buy that. But that's all we can do is take it on faith that they have the best interest at heart. I really hope you're right, contrary to what you believe, I really do love EMU and only want them to do well.
I've never made a judgement about you one way or the other. Only been here about a month and posted like 10 times.

I'm just a father like you, with a football son. I just want coaches that will inspire him, push him to his limits, and make him a better man. If he enjoys it enough to stick around for 4 or 5 years to get his degree, even if he never plays a down, I will be a proud man. If he is an integral part of helping turning this program around, and actually winning some games.......gigantic bonus.

Good luck to your son!
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