(07-02-2015 02:17 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  This move only benefits both parties. Dante gets to go somewhere he can get playing time, JMU gets to bring in a transfer who can start in 2016.

Win-win

As heavy as our roster is with upperclassmen, I am not sure that a new upperclassman transfer is optimal. I wish we staggered our classes better so that we did not have a 6 scholarship recruiting class every 4 years. It seems like we end up with a number of weak players that are destined not to work out when we do that. And I think it prevents the coaches from giving appropriate attention to all of those incoming freshmen in that class.

(07-02-2015 11:29 AM)GH86 Wrote:  This is a serious question. Does this staff develop players? At the level we are playing to be a good team it seems you have to. I don't follow close enough to know.

Two years ago, I was asking the same question. I will say this past year, Yoyo and Dimitrije were possibly the most improved players in the league. Curry continued to improve at everything. Kent became a much more confident shooter and McLean went from someone who could give only ten good minutes due to silly fouls to someone who could play the entire game.

(07-02-2015 02:28 PM)Purple Pilgrim Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 02:17 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  This move only benefits both parties. Dante gets to go somewhere he can get playing time, JMU gets to bring in a transfer who can start in 2016.

Win-win

As heavy as our roster is with upperclassmen, I am not sure that a new upperclassman transfer is optimal. I wish we staggered our classes better so that we did not have a 6 scholarship recruiting class every 4 years. It seems like we end up with a number of weak players that are destined not to work out when we do that. And I think it prevents the coaches from giving appropriate attention to all of those incoming freshmen in that class.

This is a very fair point. As it stands the Junior class (Class of 2017 scholarships) has 8 spots. That's way too many and a carry over from some recruiting problems of years past. I think the NCAA basketball transfer problem will continue to be exasperated at JMU if they use all 8 of these scholarships on U.S. 4 year high school players. It's just a playing time thing and it's a cycle they need to break. They would be better off IMO (whoever the coach is then) carrying over a couple of scholarships into 18 and using a couple on transfers to even out the classes. If they are filling the 12th and 13th spots they would be better using those on European players (stereotyping here) who seem to be more patient/loyal as far as their role on the team. I think it's clear that (as has been said on the board) at JMU's current level any U.S. high school freshman who redshirts probably shouldn't be in the program (good kid or not) because if they aren't ready to contribute right away they probably will never be good enough to get playing time.

That said, for the Sterling scholarship taking a transfer (either Snowden as an example who would red shirt and be a junior with McLean or Zabo who would red shirt and be a sophomore with Roland) won't add to the log jam so I'm all for it. The team is plenty deep enough in 15-16 and it would be a program changing player for the following year when Curry graduates. Getting Zabo would be a coupe- 3 star PG who could challenge Curry in practice this year and make everyone better.

(07-02-2015 10:50 AM)Jmubarkers Wrote:  Dante sterling had a great work ethic, great athlete, high character, good teammate, solid shooter. As you all know these are things our coaching staff doesn't value apparently. Look at development of Serb literally an after thought when he could have been developed earlier and contributed earlier.

Dante needed a lot of time in gym with coaching staff and game tape time to develop as a player. The coaching staff is so lazy, it's very annoying! Always cutting corners and rearly giving a hundred %. Players take on personality of coaching staff.

How do you even justify all the transfers and problem after problem.

Told myself I would stay positive and stay off boards, but it's so frustrating to see how sub par and lazy our program is, especially when you see lesser schools with less money getting after it.

Is the entire coaching staff lazy or is it limited to a few of the coaches? Just curious because you have named players on the boards and obviously Brady as the head coach is always culpable but you have stopped short of calling out specific assistant coaches. To me- Coach Phillips seems to have a good energy about him.

(07-03-2015 07:05 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 10:50 AM)Jmubarkers Wrote:  Dante sterling had a great work ethic, great athlete, high character, good teammate, solid shooter. As you all know these are things our coaching staff doesn't value apparently. Look at development of Serb literally an after thought when he could have been developed earlier and contributed earlier.

Dante needed a lot of time in gym with coaching staff and game tape time to develop as a player. The coaching staff is so lazy, it's very annoying! Always cutting corners and rearly giving a hundred %. Players take on personality of coaching staff.

How do you even justify all the transfers and problem after problem.

Told myself I would stay positive and stay off boards, but it's so frustrating to see how sub par and lazy our program is, especially when you see lesser schools with less money getting after it.

Is the entire coaching staff lazy or is it limited to a few of the coaches? Just curious because you have named players on the boards and obviously Brady as the head coach is always culpable but you have stopped short of calling out specific assistant coaches. To me- Coach Phillips seems to have a good energy about him.

Here's the problem I see with the current staff. There are probably three major considerations for getting the proven "desirable" players; the program's perception (conference, visibility, TV, reputation, etc), the program's success (records, NCAAs, etc) and the head coach. We're weak in all of those areas. So our only hope is to spot raw or hidden talent and develop those players. Does Brady have an eye and talent for doing that?

If we're losing out in the HS recruiting world then we have to strengthen our ability to recruit JUCO and foreign players. If we can find JUCOs with 3 years of eligibility that's okay but we can't build a successful program that heavily relies on players being here for only 2 years (whether because they are transferring out or transferring in). We're never going to get those Kentucky type freshman who dominate day one so we need a coach who can develop the diamonds in the rough they find, and the players need time to learn the system and gel. They need at least 3 years for that.

Otherwise we're going to end up with a team that's basically an un-coached playground pick-up team. It won't matter how talented they are individually.

(07-03-2015 09:51 AM)2Buck Wrote:  

(07-03-2015 07:05 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 10:50 AM)Jmubarkers Wrote:  Dante sterling had a great work ethic, great athlete, high character, good teammate, solid shooter. As you all know these are things our coaching staff doesn't value apparently. Look at development of Serb literally an after thought when he could have been developed earlier and contributed earlier.

Dante needed a lot of time in gym with coaching staff and game tape time to develop as a player. The coaching staff is so lazy, it's very annoying! Always cutting corners and rearly giving a hundred %. Players take on personality of coaching staff.

How do you even justify all the transfers and problem after problem.

Told myself I would stay positive and stay off boards, but it's so frustrating to see how sub par and lazy our program is, especially when you see lesser schools with less money getting after it.

Is the entire coaching staff lazy or is it limited to a few of the coaches? Just curious because you have named players on the boards and obviously Brady as the head coach is always culpable but you have stopped short of calling out specific assistant coaches. To me- Coach Phillips seems to have a good energy about him.

Here's the problem I see with the current staff. There are probably three major considerations for getting the proven "desirable" players; the program's perception (conference, visibility, TV, reputation, etc), the program's success (records, NCAAs, etc) and the head coach. We're weak in all of those areas. So our only hope is to spot raw or hidden talent and develop those players. Does Brady have an eye and talent for doing that?

If we're losing out in the HS recruiting world then we have to strengthen our ability to recruit JUCO and foreign players. If we can find JUCOs with 3 years of eligibility that's okay but we can't build a successful program that heavily relies on players being here for only 2 years (whether because they are transferring out or transferring in). We're never going to get those Kentucky type freshman who dominate day one so we need a coach who can develop the diamonds in the rough they find, and the players need time to learn the system and gel. They need at least 3 years for that.

Otherwise we're going to end up with a team that's basically an un-coached playground pick-up team. It won't matter how talented they are individually.

Disagree with all three of your premises, and your conclusion.

(07-03-2015 09:58 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(07-03-2015 09:51 AM)2Buck Wrote:  

(07-03-2015 07:05 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 10:50 AM)Jmubarkers Wrote:  Dante sterling had a great work ethic, great athlete, high character, good teammate, solid shooter. As you all know these are things our coaching staff doesn't value apparently. Look at development of Serb literally an after thought when he could have been developed earlier and contributed earlier.

Dante needed a lot of time in gym with coaching staff and game tape time to develop as a player. The coaching staff is so lazy, it's very annoying! Always cutting corners and rearly giving a hundred %. Players take on personality of coaching staff.

How do you even justify all the transfers and problem after problem.

Told myself I would stay positive and stay off boards, but it's so frustrating to see how sub par and lazy our program is, especially when you see lesser schools with less money getting after it.

Is the entire coaching staff lazy or is it limited to a few of the coaches? Just curious because you have named players on the boards and obviously Brady as the head coach is always culpable but you have stopped short of calling out specific assistant coaches. To me- Coach Phillips seems to have a good energy about him.

Here's the problem I see with the current staff. There are probably three major considerations for getting the proven "desirable" players; the program's perception (conference, visibility, TV, reputation, etc), the program's success (records, NCAAs, etc) and the head coach. We're weak in all of those areas. So our only hope is to spot raw or hidden talent and develop those players. Does Brady have an eye and talent for doing that?

If we're losing out in the HS recruiting world then we have to strengthen our ability to recruit JUCO and foreign players. If we can find JUCOs with 3 years of eligibility that's okay but we can't build a successful program that heavily relies on players being here for only 2 years (whether because they are transferring out or transferring in). We're never going to get those Kentucky type freshman who dominate day one so we need a coach who can develop the diamonds in the rough they find, and the players need time to learn the system and gel. They need at least 3 years for that.

Otherwise we're going to end up with a team that's basically an un-coached playground pick-up team. It won't matter how talented they are individually.

Disagree with all three of your premises, and your conclusion.

I agree with all 3...and that's ok. 'Merica. It's a great place.

(07-03-2015 09:51 AM)2Buck Wrote:  

(07-03-2015 07:05 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 10:50 AM)Jmubarkers Wrote:  Dante sterling had a great work ethic, great athlete, high character, good teammate, solid shooter. As you all know these are things our coaching staff doesn't value apparently. Look at development of Serb literally an after thought when he could have been developed earlier and contributed earlier.

Dante needed a lot of time in gym with coaching staff and game tape time to develop as a player. The coaching staff is so lazy, it's very annoying! Always cutting corners and rearly giving a hundred %. Players take on personality of coaching staff.

How do you even justify all the transfers and problem after problem.

Told myself I would stay positive and stay off boards, but it's so frustrating to see how sub par and lazy our program is, especially when you see lesser schools with less money getting after it.

Is the entire coaching staff lazy or is it limited to a few of the coaches? Just curious because you have named players on the boards and obviously Brady as the head coach is always culpable but you have stopped short of calling out specific assistant coaches. To me- Coach Phillips seems to have a good energy about him.

Here's the problem I see with the current staff. There are probably three major considerations for getting the proven "desirable" players; the program's perception (conference, visibility, TV, reputation, etc), the program's success (records, NCAAs, etc) and the head coach. We're weak in all of those areas. So our only hope is to spot raw or hidden talent and develop those players. Does Brady have an eye and talent for doing that?

If we're losing out in the HS recruiting world then we have to strengthen our ability to recruit JUCO and foreign players. If we can find JUCOs with 3 years of eligibility that's okay but we can't build a successful program that heavily relies on players being here for only 2 years (whether because they are transferring out or transferring in). We're never going to get those Kentucky type freshman who dominate day one so we need a coach who can develop the diamonds in the rough they find, and the players need time to learn the system and gel. They need at least 3 years for that.

Otherwise we're going to end up with a team that's basically an un-coached playground pick-up team. It won't matter how talented they are individually.

But isnt recruiting raw or hidden talent the recruiting life of an mid major coach. And I dont think coach Brady is the problem , if you are a recruit and are going to commit to JMU/Hburg for four/five years, we need top notch facilities. These young players dont know the history of " the convo". But when they take a trip to VCU and ODU they see a difference.

Recruiting is all about balance- Juco, 4 year transfer, Euro and 4 year high school players. I don't think a school like JMU can afford to lean too heavily on any one source- they need a mix of all of them to field a cohesive team and a program that is consistently good.

(07-02-2015 10:50 AM)Jmubarkers Wrote:  Dante sterling had a great work ethic, great athlete, high character, good teammate, solid shooter. As you all know these are things our coaching staff doesn't value apparently. Look at development of Serb literally an after thought when he could have been developed earlier and contributed earlier.

Dante needed a lot of time in gym with coaching staff and game tape time to develop as a player. The coaching staff is so lazy, it's very annoying! Always cutting corners and rearly giving a hundred %. Players take on personality of coaching staff.

How do you even justify all the transfers and problem after problem.

Told myself I would stay positive and stay off boards, but it's so frustrating to see how sub par and lazy our program is, especially when you see lesser schools with less money getting after it.

There are some players in the gym every day working with the coaches. Probably too early for you to see so you don't know they are there. 7am before class and again with the team in the afternoon. I wouldn't call that lazy on the player or the coach's part.

Starting last summer players have put in better and more purposeful work. I did acknowledge this and specifically pointed out Currys change in work habit last summer. Have seen new assistant around curry a lot and guy seems to really care about players. Philips is a capable coach and I do see guys in gym with him often, especially YoYo and Kent, but as far as pushing them I don't think he does that well, and that's my limited opinion. I've been around a couple programs now as I was researching for my doctorate, I observed 3 other programs in Virginia and 2 in Maryland, if I had to rank them on how hard players seemed to be working and engaged with coaches I would put as at 4th. The staff and players seem to get some momentum but can never sustain it or be consistent.

Also as far as assistants involvement and observation of work outs, we are dead last. Now I only spent about 4 days at each institution so my sample size is small but the take away is pretty clear.
I observed one program that is also in the CAA, where an assistant had the whole team run together to pick up a player that over slept for morning work out.

An assistant getting together with team and going over all the scheduled visits for summer and what he expects out of team during visit and various rolls each member would play.(some programs just stick recruit with 1 or 2 guys and say go have fun) I thought it was neat that each individual had a part to play in molding a path for a future and direction of team.

The one thing about work outs I especially took away is how hard some programs work as whole in off season compared to others. Those observations in 75 percent of cases directly correlated to per finance against similar level institutions on court and academically.

Basically it shows when your program is working hard and smart as a unit.
Example- exclude nation from the equation, add an assistant who really focused on curry and influence from hard working additions in Gray,Morgan, Mclean, and you got an improved Ron Curry and backcourt that eventually figured it out by end of season.

We are not the hardest working team in CAA not even in top 1/3, and since we also aren't the most talented on and off court, not best facilities,it's a bad combination. Changing 2 or 3 of those makes you pretty good. Having only 1/3 of those down leaves you mediocre, and that's what Jmu basketball does, it never has 2/3 of those down, just 1 at a time. Have to change the culture of mediocrity.

Agree. We have to change the culture of mediocrity. It seems it is to easily accepted.

The goal for JMU athletics, per the president, is that they are "respectable".

That does not mean winning championships in the lowly CAA and that does not mean building a national brand.

It is time some of you to get the joke.

I don"t know a JMU team or group of coaches who are not working hard to Win Championships for this university. Remember most of their careers rest upon how they do here at this level, so I doubt they are cutting corners. The key question always when people complain about avg. coaches , who can come in here and do better ? Can't fire ever coach hat comes thru the door because that are not " great " every year. The goal is to put together a competitive team that will have a legitimate shot at winning a championship.

(07-07-2015 08:15 PM)Dukeman Wrote:  The goal for JMU athletics, per the president, is that they are "respectable".

That does not mean winning championships in the lowly CAA and that does not mean building a national brand.

It is time some of you to get the joke.

I guess you missed the news that JMU athletics just posted the second highest winning percentage across all varsity sports for all Virginia colleges and universities this past year. A winning record that included multiple championships, but don't let the facts get in the way of an illogical, snarky rant.

I'm all for someone to counter balance things and question if JMU is really doing their best but some of the guys on this board remind me of the old guys in the balcony on the Muppets Show. You can always find a way to criticize what you think they aren't doing and that they won't be successful and the odds are you'll probably be right a good amount of the time but that doesn't convince me that the coaches and players and administrators aren't trying and it doesn't take away from progress however small it may be. I get the feeling that some people almost hope that JMU MBB continues to come up short so they could say they told us so. I have friends like that (JMU Alum) as well. I had friends like that when I went to JMU and the MBB team had a higher profile. It's an insecurity IMO - some fans aren't strong enough to be disappointed when their team (like most teams in the NCAA) doesn't reach the promise land so they set their bar very low and then barring some miraculous run try to pour water on the fire along the way. I realize that it may be foolish to think that in the case of Men's basketball that after 7-8 years that they will break through but I go into most seasons thinking that will be the case and the same way you could tell me how difficient they are in certain areas I could make a solid case for if certain things happen and players develop in the off season that they could be a very good team. My hope is that they do break through and Brady gets extended after JMU makes the NCAA again next year.

Dukeman doesn't have a clue. All he wants to do is criticize.

JMU's women's programs won an astonishing 72% of their games. Overall, JMU athletics won 63% of their games and that is with a baseball team that had a lame duck coach and one of the worst won-loss records in its history. Overall, JMU athletics had one of its best years. Men's basketball and football both had good seasons for those of you who only care about the marquee sports.

The CAA is a good basketball league and will be even better this year. The league was very young last year.

I am looking forward to the '15-'16 season. I think football will be good again this year and barring injuries to a bunch of starters, Men's ball will be very good again this year.

The CAA hasnt been good for the past 3 years, but Im basing that off objective, advanced statistics (video game generation here as Jmunation likes to say). With the quality of some of these eye tests you guys have I hope gambling becomes legalized nationwide soon so everyone can cash in on these anti statistic/computer opinions. Would love to see these eye tests put to work.

(07-07-2015 09:05 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 08:15 PM)Dukeman Wrote:  The goal for JMU athletics, per the president, is that they are "respectable".

That does not mean winning championships in the lowly CAA and that does not mean building a national brand.

It is time some of you to get the joke.

I guess you missed the news that JMU athletics just posted the second highest winning percentage across all varsity sports for all Virginia colleges and universities this past year. A winning record that included multiple championships, but don't let the facts get in the way of an illogical, snarky rant.

free beer tomorrow though!

(07-08-2015 09:57 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 09:05 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 08:15 PM)Dukeman Wrote:  The goal for JMU athletics, per the president, is that they are "respectable".

That does not mean winning championships in the lowly CAA and that does not mean building a national brand.

It is time some of you to get the joke.

I guess you missed the news that JMU athletics just posted the second highest winning percentage across all varsity sports for all Virginia colleges and universities this past year. A winning record that included multiple championships, but don't let the facts get in the way of an illogical, snarky rant.

free beer tomorrow though!

It's a strong winning %. But make no mistake, it was based on how good our women's programs are. I think we were #10 in men's winning %.

So go ladies, and pick it up guys.