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RE: Chuck Landon: "Grass not greener for Marshall in AAC"
(06-16-2019 09:31 AM)Cardiff Wrote:  
(06-16-2019 08:18 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  
(06-15-2019 04:06 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  I think the better large public universities in the MWC are going to get tired of the Boise State sweetheart deal, especially if the new MWC deal regresses from their current payout. In the end, I think conference alignment is all about expanding each university's profile and earning money.
As for SDSU or even Fresno, no thanks. Nothing against them, I just think the cost and logistics of having Orlando, Storrs, and San Diego in the same conference don't make sense. Also I prefer not having UCF traveling out west multiple times a year and getting stuck with a 10 pm kickoff time EST like almost every MWC game is.
SSJ is right about the other MWC members getting sick of Boise’s status as the precious darling. One way or the other, that will end.

As far as having 2 or 3 western teams in AAC? Maybe. The $$$ has to work out right. If it does, then late kick-offs will suddenly become more acceptable. If it doesn’t, then the expansion won’t happen anyway, and no harm done.

I think most of y'all are missing the point. I don't think it will be a matter of the AAC expanding to include some of the better G5 programs, it will come down to the better large public universities from the AAC (UCF, USF, Houston, Memphis, Cincinnati, and maybe one or two others) regrouping with the best large public universities from the other G5's. I think the small private universities in the AAC will invite similar universities to back fill the AAC. The idea is not to create a conference that spans all the time zones, but to cobble together the most successful large public universities regardless of their locations. Again, this could be 10 to 20 years down the road, and only if the P5's refuse to expand.
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RE: Chuck Landon: "Grass not greener for Marshall in AAC"
(06-15-2019 08:38 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  The only schools with any realistic option of moving up are ODU and UAB. Perhaps UTEP if there’s an opening in the MWC (very unlikely but one can only hope). The rest have very few things going on for them like market overlap, anemic fan support, so so facilities, small markets, etc.

ODU reminds me of UCF ten years ago. They’ll be the school that has the better chance in leaving this conference.

ODU certainly looks the part in most areas. They currently have the largest budget in C-USA, have a top 25 media market, and have had some early success since moving up. The only issue I have with ODU is their stadium. Even after the current expansion, the stadium will only hold around 23,000. And, ODU's attendance was down last season. I have no idea when they plan on starting phase 2 of their stadium expansion, but they will need to have their capacity over 30,000 before I would seriously view them as an option.
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Chuck Landon: "Grass not greener for Marshall in AAC"
(06-16-2019 01:02 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(06-15-2019 08:38 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  The only schools with any realistic option of moving up are ODU and UAB. Perhaps UTEP if there’s an opening in the MWC (very unlikely but one can only hope). The rest have very few things going on for them like market overlap, anemic fan support, so so facilities, small markets, etc.

ODU reminds me of UCF ten years ago. They’ll be the school that has the better chance in leaving this conference.

ODU certainly looks the part in most areas. They currently have the largest budget in C-USA, have a top 25 media market, and have had some early success since moving up. The only issue I have with ODU is their stadium. Even after the current expansion, the stadium will only hold around 23,000. And, ODU's attendance was down last season. I have no idea when they plan on starting phase 2 of their stadium expansion, but they will need to have their capacity over 30,000 before I would seriously view them as an option.


This is certainly a good point but I will give our administration kudos for running a financially sound athletic department. I don’t think we need a larger stadium (i.e. costly stadium). Our revenue steam is not endless. If 23,000 is the sweet spot, and they think it is, so be it. If ticket sales demand a larger stadium, then a larger stadium will follow. For now, I think we are good.


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RE: Chuck Landon: "Grass not greener for Marshall in AAC"
(06-16-2019 02:53 PM)ODU1986 Wrote:  
(06-16-2019 01:02 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(06-15-2019 08:38 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  The only schools with any realistic option of moving up are ODU and UAB. Perhaps UTEP if there’s an opening in the MWC (very unlikely but one can only hope). The rest have very few things going on for them like market overlap, anemic fan support, so so facilities, small markets, etc.

ODU reminds me of UCF ten years ago. They’ll be the school that has the better chance in leaving this conference.

ODU certainly looks the part in most areas. They currently have the largest budget in C-USA, have a top 25 media market, and have had some early success since moving up. The only issue I have with ODU is their stadium. Even after the current expansion, the stadium will only hold around 23,000. And, ODU's attendance was down last season. I have no idea when they plan on starting phase 2 of their stadium expansion, but they will need to have their capacity over 30,000 before I would seriously view them as an option.


This is certainly a good point but I will give our administration kudos for running a financially sound athletic department. I don’t think we need a larger stadium (i.e. costly stadium). Our revenue steam is not endless. If 23,000 is the sweet spot, and they think it is, so be it. If ticket sales demand a larger stadium, then a larger stadium will follow. For now, I think we are good.


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Exactly. I was very mad we weren't going to 30k with this initial redo but i think the Admin took a smart approach with the size and if we can consistently sell out 22k , they can increase prices of tix and if we were still selling out then may be a 30k+ makes sense if not we will be in good shape if we can complete the horse shoe. I'd prefer a good looking stadium with good amenities than a 50k bowl with half empty bleachers and having to resort to 5$ ticket give away's even if there are takers.
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RE: Chuck Landon: "Grass not greener for Marshall in AAC"
(06-16-2019 09:15 AM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  
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(06-16-2019 12:10 AM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  Tulsa doesnt have 30k students and neither does Tulane. Both are private schools with immense endowments a la Rice and boost the academic profile of the AAC.

Academic profiles for conferences stopped mattering more than 20 years ago. Probably closer to 50 years ago.

WHAT? Lmfao! No they didnt. The Big10 requires all schools in the conference to be R1 institutions. That’s why they added Nebraska and Maryland instead of other schools.

The Big 10 took Rutgers for an NY $$$ grab. No more, no less.

Sure the Big 10 has that established as they have added what, 4 schools in 70 years?

The AAC’s academic profile is about as important as the number of parking places outside a stadium. Irrelevant. All about $$$
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RE: Chuck Landon: "Grass not greener for Marshall in AAC"
(06-20-2019 04:03 AM)ThunderingHerdFan Wrote:  
(06-16-2019 09:15 AM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  
(06-16-2019 08:52 AM)ThunderingHerdFan Wrote:  
(06-16-2019 12:10 AM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  Tulsa doesnt have 30k students and neither does Tulane. Both are private schools with immense endowments a la Rice and boost the academic profile of the AAC.

Academic profiles for conferences stopped mattering more than 20 years ago. Probably closer to 50 years ago.

WHAT? Lmfao! No they didnt. The Big10 requires all schools in the conference to be R1 institutions. That’s why they added Nebraska and Maryland instead of other schools.

The Big 10 took Rutgers for an NY $$$ grab. No more, no less.

Sure the Big 10 has that established as they have added what, 4 schools in 70 years?

The AAC’s academic profile is about as important as the number of parking places outside a stadium. Irrelevant. All about $$$

clt agrees. The aac admitted ezu thus proving academics mean less than the number of bike racks outside the stadium
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