Not sure he will "defeat any Republican" nor that he will be the Dem nominee but I think he's the best option out of what we've got at the moment. I think one thing people fail to realize is that even tho he is leftist in a lot of his approaches, that does not mean Congress will be the same. He'll need them to do a lot of his things he wants to do and I don't see that happening easily. If he is elected, it will bring the country leftward, sure, but I think it won't be as drastic as his policy positions are now.

(06-30-2015 06:44 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  Not sure he will "defeat any Republican" nor that he will be the Dem nominee but I think he's the best option out of what we've got at the moment. I think one thing people fail to realize is that even tho he is leftist in a lot of his approaches, that does not mean Congress will be the same. He'll need them to do a lot of his things he wants to do and I don't see that happening easily. If he is elected, it will bring the country leftward, sure, but I think it won't be as drastic as his policy positions are now.

He is the Democrats equivalent to Ron Paul. He is outside the mainstream and will be nominalized and destroyed by the Democrat power base. He has no chance in hell in gaining the nomination. Hillary may not be the candidate...but..it won't the this Socialist. No way in hell are the Democrats going into a Presidential with an avowed Socialist on the ticket....any more than the GOP would go into the election with an avowed Libertarian. Aint gonna happen.

(06-30-2015 06:56 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(06-30-2015 06:44 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  Not sure he will "defeat any Republican" nor that he will be the Dem nominee but I think he's the best option out of what we've got at the moment. I think one thing people fail to realize is that even tho he is leftist in a lot of his approaches, that does not mean Congress will be the same. He'll need them to do a lot of his things he wants to do and I don't see that happening easily. If he is elected, it will bring the country leftward, sure, but I think it won't be as drastic as his policy positions are now.

He is the Democrats equivalent to Ron Paul. He is outside the mainstream and will be nominalized and destroyed by the Democrat power base. He has no chance in hell in gaining the nomination. Hillary may not be the candidate...but..it won't the this Socialist. No way in hell are the Democrats going into a Presidential with an avowed Socialist on the ticket....any more than the GOP would go into the election with an avowed Libertarian. Aint gonna happen.

I know a lot of people say that but serious question, did Ron Paul ever poll anywhere in the range Sanders is? Did he get 5000 people at rallies in Denver and Minneapolis? Sanders is using Obama's organizing strategy and so far has done it well from what I've seen. I think he has a real chance. If he's still around by the time the TN primary rolls around I know where my vote is going...

(06-30-2015 06:59 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  

(06-30-2015 06:56 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(06-30-2015 06:44 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  Not sure he will "defeat any Republican" nor that he will be the Dem nominee but I think he's the best option out of what we've got at the moment. I think one thing people fail to realize is that even tho he is leftist in a lot of his approaches, that does not mean Congress will be the same. He'll need them to do a lot of his things he wants to do and I don't see that happening easily. If he is elected, it will bring the country leftward, sure, but I think it won't be as drastic as his policy positions are now.

He is the Democrats equivalent to Ron Paul. He is outside the mainstream and will be nominalized and destroyed by the Democrat power base. He has no chance in hell in gaining the nomination. Hillary may not be the candidate...but..it won't the this Socialist. No way in hell are the Democrats going into a Presidential with an avowed Socialist on the ticket....any more than the GOP would go into the election with an avowed Libertarian. Aint gonna happen.

I know a lot of people say that but serious question, did Ron Paul ever poll anywhere in the range Sanders is? Did he get 5000 people at rallies in Denver and Minneapolis? Sanders is using Obama's organizing strategy and so far has done it well from what I've seen. I think he has a real chance. If he's still around by the time the TN primary rolls around I know where my vote is going...

Yes. He drew large crowds similar to that everywhere he went. That was his undoing.

He also found a way to raise tons of money across the spectrum using the internet. I don't thing Bernie has that ability.

(06-30-2015 06:25 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  I will sig bet you he does not become the nominee. At 20 to 1 odds. You get my sig for 20 weeks and I get yours for 1. If he DOES become the nominee and win ... I'll double that to 40 weeks at no cost.

Do you people actually care about sigs? I have mine turned off because a lot of them just clutter up my screen.

(06-30-2015 06:25 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  I will sig bet you he does not become the nominee. At 20 to 1 odds. You get my sig for 20 weeks and I get yours for 1. If he DOES become the nominee and win ... I'll double that to 40 weeks at no cost.

Ill do better. Ill self ban for 20 weeks against anyone for 1 week.

I almost hope he wins. I need to find another fcking hobby than this nonsense.

(06-30-2015 06:59 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  

(06-30-2015 06:56 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(06-30-2015 06:44 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  Not sure he will "defeat any Republican" nor that he will be the Dem nominee but I think he's the best option out of what we've got at the moment. I think one thing people fail to realize is that even tho he is leftist in a lot of his approaches, that does not mean Congress will be the same. He'll need them to do a lot of his things he wants to do and I don't see that happening easily. If he is elected, it will bring the country leftward, sure, but I think it won't be as drastic as his policy positions are now.

He is the Democrats equivalent to Ron Paul. He is outside the mainstream and will be nominalized and destroyed by the Democrat power base. He has no chance in hell in gaining the nomination. Hillary may not be the candidate...but..it won't the this Socialist. No way in hell are the Democrats going into a Presidential with an avowed Socialist on the ticket....any more than the GOP would go into the election with an avowed Libertarian. Aint gonna happen.

I know a lot of people say that but serious question, did Ron Paul ever poll anywhere in the range Sanders is? Did he get 5000 people at rallies in Denver and Minneapolis? Sanders is using Obama's organizing strategy and so far has done it well from what I've seen. I think he has a real chance. If he's still around by the time the TN primary rolls around I know where my vote is going...

I kind of like Bernie(though not everything he is for) but if he gets the nomination, the Republicans will win the general. All the Republicans will have to do is say he is a "socialist" and he is dead.

(07-01-2015 03:22 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(06-30-2015 06:59 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  

(06-30-2015 06:56 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(06-30-2015 06:44 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  Not sure he will "defeat any Republican" nor that he will be the Dem nominee but I think he's the best option out of what we've got at the moment. I think one thing people fail to realize is that even tho he is leftist in a lot of his approaches, that does not mean Congress will be the same. He'll need them to do a lot of his things he wants to do and I don't see that happening easily. If he is elected, it will bring the country leftward, sure, but I think it won't be as drastic as his policy positions are now.

He is the Democrats equivalent to Ron Paul. He is outside the mainstream and will be nominalized and destroyed by the Democrat power base. He has no chance in hell in gaining the nomination. Hillary may not be the candidate...but..it won't the this Socialist. No way in hell are the Democrats going into a Presidential with an avowed Socialist on the ticket....any more than the GOP would go into the election with an avowed Libertarian. Aint gonna happen.

I know a lot of people say that but serious question, did Ron Paul ever poll anywhere in the range Sanders is? Did he get 5000 people at rallies in Denver and Minneapolis? Sanders is using Obama's organizing strategy and so far has done it well from what I've seen. I think he has a real chance. If he's still around by the time the TN primary rolls around I know where my vote is going...

I kind of like Bernie(though not everything he is for) but if he gets the nomination, the Republicans will win the general. All the Republicans will have to do is say he is a "socialist" and he is dead.

This. Labels matter.

(06-30-2015 06:59 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  

(06-30-2015 06:56 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(06-30-2015 06:44 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  Not sure he will "defeat any Republican" nor that he will be the Dem nominee but I think he's the best option out of what we've got at the moment. I think one thing people fail to realize is that even tho he is leftist in a lot of his approaches, that does not mean Congress will be the same. He'll need them to do a lot of his things he wants to do and I don't see that happening easily. If he is elected, it will bring the country leftward, sure, but I think it won't be as drastic as his policy positions are now.

He is the Democrats equivalent to Ron Paul. He is outside the mainstream and will be nominalized and destroyed by the Democrat power base. He has no chance in hell in gaining the nomination. Hillary may not be the candidate...but..it won't the this Socialist. No way in hell are the Democrats going into a Presidential with an avowed Socialist on the ticket....any more than the GOP would go into the election with an avowed Libertarian. Aint gonna happen.

I know a lot of people say that but serious question, did Ron Paul ever poll anywhere in the range Sanders is? Did he get 5000 people at rallies in Denver and Minneapolis? Sanders is using Obama's organizing strategy and so far has done it well from what I've seen. I think he has a real chance. If he's still around by the time the TN primary rolls around I know where my vote is going...

Bernie would have a real chance if he got the nomination. The socialist self-identification and admission will hurt, but the media will counter balance that by painting the GOP candidate as the extremist, no matter who it is.

(07-01-2015 03:22 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(06-30-2015 06:59 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  

(06-30-2015 06:56 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(06-30-2015 06:44 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  Not sure he will "defeat any Republican" nor that he will be the Dem nominee but I think he's the best option out of what we've got at the moment. I think one thing people fail to realize is that even tho he is leftist in a lot of his approaches, that does not mean Congress will be the same. He'll need them to do a lot of his things he wants to do and I don't see that happening easily. If he is elected, it will bring the country leftward, sure, but I think it won't be as drastic as his policy positions are now.

He is the Democrats equivalent to Ron Paul. He is outside the mainstream and will be nominalized and destroyed by the Democrat power base. He has no chance in hell in gaining the nomination. Hillary may not be the candidate...but..it won't the this Socialist. No way in hell are the Democrats going into a Presidential with an avowed Socialist on the ticket....any more than the GOP would go into the election with an avowed Libertarian. Aint gonna happen.

I know a lot of people say that but serious question, did Ron Paul ever poll anywhere in the range Sanders is? Did he get 5000 people at rallies in Denver and Minneapolis? Sanders is using Obama's organizing strategy and so far has done it well from what I've seen. I think he has a real chance. If he's still around by the time the TN primary rolls around I know where my vote is going...

I kind of like Bernie(though not everything he is for) but if he gets the nomination, the Republicans will win the general. All the Republicans will have to do is say he is a "socialist" and he is dead.

How many times have Republicans called Obama a socialist? How'd that work out for them?

If Americans are dumb enough to elect Bernie Sanders, they deserve what they will get. Why would anyone invest in Bernie Sanders's Amerika?

(07-02-2015 11:55 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  If Americans are dumb enough to elect Bernie Sanders, they deserve what they will get. Why would anyone invest in Bernie Sanders's Amerika?

Americans proved in 2008 that they were gullible, and in 2012 proved that they were stupid.

I wouldn't put it past them.

"Amerika" didn't have trouble finding investors in the 1950s when the top tax rate was 90%.

A Sanders America would be a more just America. The Scandinavian countries he wants to emulate are doing pretty damn good by most metrics.

The conservatives saying "we can't afford" what he proposes seem to have no trouble finding billions to give tax cuts for the rich, or to launch their wars du jour.

(07-02-2015 12:06 PM)Max Power Wrote:  "Amerika" didn't have trouble finding investors in the 1950s when the top tax rate was 90%.

A Sanders America would be a more just America. The Scandinavian countries he wants to emulate are doing pretty damn good by most metrics.

You know what's really stupid?

Comparing little homogenous Scandinavian countries with around 5 million people with a gigantic, multi-cultural, world power like the United States.

(07-02-2015 12:06 PM)Max Power Wrote:  "Amerika" didn't have trouble finding investors in the 1950s when the top tax rate was 90%.

A Sanders America would be a more just America. The Scandinavian countries he wants to emulate are doing pretty damn good by most metrics.

The conservatives saying "we can't afford" what he proposes seem to have no trouble finding billions to give tax cuts for the rich, or to launch their wars du jour.

I want the meds this guy is on.

Our resident knuckle-dragging Marxist lunatic. There's always one.

(07-02-2015 12:06 PM)Max Power Wrote:  "Amerika" didn't have trouble finding investors in the 1950s when the top tax rate was 90%.
A Sanders America would be a more just America. The Scandinavian countries he wants to emulate are doing pretty damn good by most metrics.
The conservatives saying "we can't afford" what he proposes seem to have no trouble finding billions to give tax cuts for the rich, or to launch their wars du jour.

But when the top tax rate was 90% in the 1950s and 70% in the 1960s, it was the lowest among developed countries. Today we have the highest corporate rate and among the highest individual rates (would probably go to highest individual under Sanders).

The Scandinavian countries have corporate tax rates that are only slightly more than half ours. Their top individual rates are slightly higher, but only slightly. They are into a social safety net, but not redistribution on the scale that Sanders espouses.

As for a Sanders America being a more just America, more just for whom? For ambulance chasing lawyers and their 40% contingent fees? Tell me, how much do you really care about justice and how much about lining your own pockets?

(07-02-2015 12:20 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  But when the top tax rate was 90% in the 1950s and 70% in the 1960s, it was the lowest among developed countries. Today we have the highest corporate rate and among the highest individual rates (would probably go to highest individual under Sanders).

The Scandinavian countries have corporate tax rates that are only slightly more than half ours. Their top individual rates are slightly higher, but only slightly. They are into a social safety net, but not redistribution on the scale that Sanders espouses.

Source that our 90% rate was among the lowest?

Our corporate rate has so many loopholes that many of our largest corporations pay nothing in taxes at all. You know this right?

Germany has free college. Scandinavian countries have free health care. They redistribute far more than we do.

Quote:As for a Sanders America being a more just America, more just for whom? For ambulance chasing lawyers and their 40% contingent fees? Tell me, how much do you really care about justice and how much about lining your own pockets?

How much are free college and health care going to help ambulance chasers? Not that much. The only policies that affect me would be something like medical malpractice reform, which I don't see happening anyway (it didn't even happen under Bush). And if I really cared about something like that, I'd probably back Clinton instead of Sanders. I back Sanders because he legitimately seems to care about the working man, who has been getting screwed for decades by politicians who are bought and paid for. I'm convinced he's not for sale. Aren't you in the defense industry? How much of your defense of the party of the billionaires and military industrial complex is motivated by that?

(07-02-2015 12:08 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 12:06 PM)Max Power Wrote:  "Amerika" didn't have trouble finding investors in the 1950s when the top tax rate was 90%.

A Sanders America would be a more just America. The Scandinavian countries he wants to emulate are doing pretty damn good by most metrics.

You know what's really stupid?

Comparing little homogenous Scandinavian countries with around 5 million people with a gigantic, multi-cultural, world power like the United States.

Explain in a non racist way why being homogenous is preferable to diversity.

(07-02-2015 12:35 PM)Max Power Wrote:  Aren't you in the defense industry?

Nope.

Quote:How much of your defense of the party of the billionaires and military industrial complex is motivated by that?

Since I don't defend the party of billionaires and military industrial complex, obviously none.