(07-01-2015 06:06 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(07-01-2015 06:03 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-01-2015 05:56 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(06-29-2015 09:53 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  WVU will end up in the ACC when its all said and done. WVU now has more allies in the ACC then they've ever had and they threw the academics argument out the window when they added UL(WVU and UL had the same academic ranking when UL was added).

The UofL add was a bitter one for most of the ACC. And UofL was at least putting 9 figures into overhauling the academics, unlike WVU. Also Louisville is a real market .. unlike ... uhh ... does WV have a market?

The issues that will impede WVU's entrance to the ACC are fan behavior and academics. If WVU put serious work into fixing those, I think they'd be invited. My only hope is that the other part of the matching pair is Tennessee.

Yes, WVU needs to get some of those fake classes like UNC so they fit in better. And they need to help their players like Syracuse did Melo. And maybe their players need to start acting more like Miami's. They need their own Shapiro. And they could hire Bernie Fine and maybe get Bobby Petrino so their coaches could have the same high moral standards. Right now they just don't really fit that culture.

Hmmmmm ..... is a fake degree from UNC-CH is still more impressive than a real one from Morgantown?

How easy do you think it is for people with an African-American studies major from UNC to get a job now? I'd have a hard time not laughing if one came in with that.

(07-01-2015 06:07 PM)bullet Wrote:  And the ACC would take LSU in a heartbeat.

To be fair, any conference would take any school that has as much football cache and market power as LSU. Having that much value means a conference will overlook pretty much anything.

(07-01-2015 11:22 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  FSU problem last year wasn't who they played but how they played.

FSU could lose to Georgia Southern last year as well. That was how good Southern was in football, but they got no love.

(07-01-2015 06:08 PM)bullet Wrote:  How easy do you think it is for people with an African-American studies major from UNC to get a job now? I'd have a hard time not laughing if one came in with that.

No harder than getting a job with the "Housing" major out of Georgia.

(07-01-2015 06:07 PM)bullet Wrote:  WVU is the lone true flagship in their state, just like Nebraska and LSU, so they will admit people Georgia Tech won't. But that didn't stop the Big 10 from taking Nebraska. And the ACC would take LSU in a heartbeat.

And until all the ACC starts taking the "student" part of "student-athlete" even halfway seriously they really don't need to be talking about anyone's academics.

Nebraska is AAU.

There is no comparison outside the Pac-12 amongst FBS for academics with the ACC. The two coast conferences are the only ones seriously pursuing both.

(07-01-2015 06:22 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(07-01-2015 06:07 PM)bullet Wrote:  And the ACC would take LSU in a heartbeat.

To be fair, any conference would take any school that has as much football cache and market power as LSU. Having that much value means a conference will overlook pretty much anything.

To be fair,fair . They put the Correctional in the South East Correctional conference.

(06-29-2015 09:16 PM)Justme Wrote:  

(06-29-2015 08:45 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  UT will not follow "Aggy" to the SEC. They will join the ACC as ESPN will negotiate the fate of the Longhorn Network with itself.

If there is no room in the ACC for Oklahoma, they go B1G with Kansas.

The ACC and B1G don't like WVU's academics, which means they go SEC, who might be content to stop at 15 if the new CCG rules allow it. They probably grab Oklahoma State for new TV sets if they have to go to 16 members.

If the ACC has to go 16/18 to pull of the coup, it will take another Texas school and Iowa State (only AAU school remaining) to build out the western part of its footprint.

The Pac 12 takes out the trash with Texas Tech, TCU/Baylor, Kansas State, and one of Houston, Tulsa, or Rice rounds out the Pac 16 East.

The ACC could substitute Cincinnati for Iowa State, which would then free them up for the Pac 16 in place of a G5 school.

I can see UT going to ACC with ESPN's help. But then they will be alone. I don't think you go past 16 and ND will get the 15th spot. I do not see ISU getting the call.

I think it could be a real fight between the SEC and B1G to get OU. OU recruits TX and if the choice is between SEC w/ Aggy and B1G with only northern school; it is a real toss up.

I don't think that WVU will get an SEC invite. Remember that the last SEC expansion featured A&M and Mizzou; with both having AAU membership. It is a big deal for the SEC to have AAU members too. WVU could easily be the odd man out.

no, its a big deal for the SEC to get flagships. U of (insert state). Academically, most of the SEC was at the bottom of the 50 state flagships, with a small percentage of their membership being AAU and highly respected. until adding AAU members Missouri and A&M 2 years ago, Big 10 had all AAU membership until Nebraska got booted (thanks UT)

(07-01-2015 07:38 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(07-01-2015 06:08 PM)bullet Wrote:  How easy do you think it is for people with an African-American studies major from UNC to get a job now? I'd have a hard time not laughing if one came in with that.

No harder than getting a job with the "Housing" major out of Georgia.

Don't know anything about that major, but it sounds like they prepare people to be government bureaucrats and mortgage officers.
http://majors.admissions.uga.edu/#

(07-01-2015 07:39 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(07-01-2015 06:07 PM)bullet Wrote:  WVU is the lone true flagship in their state, just like Nebraska and LSU, so they will admit people Georgia Tech won't. But that didn't stop the Big 10 from taking Nebraska. And the ACC would take LSU in a heartbeat.

And until all the ACC starts taking the "student" part of "student-athlete" even halfway seriously they really don't need to be talking about anyone's academics.

Nebraska is AAU.

There is no comparison outside the Pac-12 amongst FBS for academics with the ACC. The two coast conferences are the only ones seriously pursuing both.

Nebraska was the first school ever kicked out of the AAU. And if their Big 10 mates hadn't voted against them, they would have had enough votes to stay in.

Syracuse would have been kicked out, but they resigned. Seriously, when you have academic fraud like at UNC and Syracuse, you shouldn't be complaining about anyone else's academics.

USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford are really good. So are UW and Colorado. But that doesn't apply to all the Pac 12.

(07-01-2015 07:45 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(06-29-2015 09:16 PM)Justme Wrote:  

(06-29-2015 08:45 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  UT will not follow "Aggy" to the SEC. They will join the ACC as ESPN will negotiate the fate of the Longhorn Network with itself.

If there is no room in the ACC for Oklahoma, they go B1G with Kansas.

The ACC and B1G don't like WVU's academics, which means they go SEC, who might be content to stop at 15 if the new CCG rules allow it. They probably grab Oklahoma State for new TV sets if they have to go to 16 members.

If the ACC has to go 16/18 to pull of the coup, it will take another Texas school and Iowa State (only AAU school remaining) to build out the western part of its footprint.

The Pac 12 takes out the trash with Texas Tech, TCU/Baylor, Kansas State, and one of Houston, Tulsa, or Rice rounds out the Pac 16 East.

The ACC could substitute Cincinnati for Iowa State, which would then free them up for the Pac 16 in place of a G5 school.

I can see UT going to ACC with ESPN's help. But then they will be alone. I don't think you go past 16 and ND will get the 15th spot. I do not see ISU getting the call.

I think it could be a real fight between the SEC and B1G to get OU. OU recruits TX and if the choice is between SEC w/ Aggy and B1G with only northern school; it is a real toss up.

I don't think that WVU will get an SEC invite. Remember that the last SEC expansion featured A&M and Mizzou; with both having AAU membership. It is a big deal for the SEC to have AAU members too. WVU could easily be the odd man out.

no, its a big deal for the SEC to get flagships. U of (insert state). Academically, most of the SEC was at the bottom of the 50 state flagships, with a small percentage of their membership being AAU and highly respected. until adding AAU members Missouri and A&M 2 years ago, Big 10 had all AAU membership until Nebraska got booted (thanks UT)

Texas and all the Big 12 schools voted to keep Nebraska in. The former UT president on the committee gave the Nebraska president a lot of advice on how to make Nebraska's argument, but he did the opposite of everything he was told. If Michigan and Wisconsin hadn't voted to kick Nebraska out, they would have stayed in.

(07-01-2015 08:01 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-01-2015 07:45 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(06-29-2015 09:16 PM)Justme Wrote:  

(06-29-2015 08:45 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  UT will not follow "Aggy" to the SEC. They will join the ACC as ESPN will negotiate the fate of the Longhorn Network with itself.

If there is no room in the ACC for Oklahoma, they go B1G with Kansas.

The ACC and B1G don't like WVU's academics, which means they go SEC, who might be content to stop at 15 if the new CCG rules allow it. They probably grab Oklahoma State for new TV sets if they have to go to 16 members.

If the ACC has to go 16/18 to pull of the coup, it will take another Texas school and Iowa State (only AAU school remaining) to build out the western part of its footprint.

The Pac 12 takes out the trash with Texas Tech, TCU/Baylor, Kansas State, and one of Houston, Tulsa, or Rice rounds out the Pac 16 East.

The ACC could substitute Cincinnati for Iowa State, which would then free them up for the Pac 16 in place of a G5 school.

I can see UT going to ACC with ESPN's help. But then they will be alone. I don't think you go past 16 and ND will get the 15th spot. I do not see ISU getting the call.

I think it could be a real fight between the SEC and B1G to get OU. OU recruits TX and if the choice is between SEC w/ Aggy and B1G with only northern school; it is a real toss up.

I don't think that WVU will get an SEC invite. Remember that the last SEC expansion featured A&M and Mizzou; with both having AAU membership. It is a big deal for the SEC to have AAU members too. WVU could easily be the odd man out.

no, its a big deal for the SEC to get flagships. U of (insert state). Academically, most of the SEC was at the bottom of the 50 state flagships, with a small percentage of their membership being AAU and highly respected. until adding AAU members Missouri and A&M 2 years ago, Big 10 had all AAU membership until Nebraska got booted (thanks UT)

Texas and all the Big 12 schools voted to keep Nebraska in. The former UT president on the committee gave the Nebraska president a lot of advice on how to make Nebraska's argument, but he did the opposite of everything he was told. If Michigan and Wisconsin hadn't voted to kick Nebraska out, they would have stayed in.

You are correct...however, Nebraska blamed Texas right after getting kicked out. Apparently, UT was pushing for the vote to happen behind the scenes. Cuse didn't have the votes and to save themselves from the Nebraska embarrassment, they stepped out voluntarily. Oregon's research has been abysmally bad lately. Why aren't they kicked out? Especially when non-AAU schools like USF, UCONN, New Mexico and Colorado St have been getting double and triple the research $ consistently over the past several years....

(07-03-2015 07:20 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(07-01-2015 08:01 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-01-2015 07:45 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(06-29-2015 09:16 PM)Justme Wrote:  

(06-29-2015 08:45 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  UT will not follow "Aggy" to the SEC. They will join the ACC as ESPN will negotiate the fate of the Longhorn Network with itself.

If there is no room in the ACC for Oklahoma, they go B1G with Kansas.

The ACC and B1G don't like WVU's academics, which means they go SEC, who might be content to stop at 15 if the new CCG rules allow it. They probably grab Oklahoma State for new TV sets if they have to go to 16 members.

If the ACC has to go 16/18 to pull of the coup, it will take another Texas school and Iowa State (only AAU school remaining) to build out the western part of its footprint.

The Pac 12 takes out the trash with Texas Tech, TCU/Baylor, Kansas State, and one of Houston, Tulsa, or Rice rounds out the Pac 16 East.

The ACC could substitute Cincinnati for Iowa State, which would then free them up for the Pac 16 in place of a G5 school.

I can see UT going to ACC with ESPN's help. But then they will be alone. I don't think you go past 16 and ND will get the 15th spot. I do not see ISU getting the call.

I think it could be a real fight between the SEC and B1G to get OU. OU recruits TX and if the choice is between SEC w/ Aggy and B1G with only northern school; it is a real toss up.

I don't think that WVU will get an SEC invite. Remember that the last SEC expansion featured A&M and Mizzou; with both having AAU membership. It is a big deal for the SEC to have AAU members too. WVU could easily be the odd man out.

no, its a big deal for the SEC to get flagships. U of (insert state). Academically, most of the SEC was at the bottom of the 50 state flagships, with a small percentage of their membership being AAU and highly respected. until adding AAU members Missouri and A&M 2 years ago, Big 10 had all AAU membership until Nebraska got booted (thanks UT)

Texas and all the Big 12 schools voted to keep Nebraska in. The former UT president on the committee gave the Nebraska president a lot of advice on how to make Nebraska's argument, but he did the opposite of everything he was told. If Michigan and Wisconsin hadn't voted to kick Nebraska out, they would have stayed in.

You are correct...however, Nebraska blamed Texas right after getting kicked out. Apparently, UT was pushing for the vote to happen behind the scenes. Cuse didn't have the votes and to save themselves from the Nebraska embarrassment, they stepped out voluntarily. Oregon's research has been abysmally bad lately. Why aren't they kicked out? Especially when non-AAU schools like USF, UCONN, New Mexico and Colorado St have been getting double and triple the research $ consistently over the past several years....

Maybe Nebraska message board fans did, but they have some stupid message board fans, even if their in stadium fans are among the best in the country. If you think about it, that assertion makes no sense. Texas is pushing it and they get fail to stay in by 1 or 2 votes and Texas votes yes?

If you saw some of the articles, there was a link that got disclosed with the letter to Nebraska and the AAU rankings. Nebraska was #109, dead last among the AAU, behind about 40 non-members. There were no names listed for the AAU members, but presumably Syracuse was #105. The next lowest AAU school was, I believe, in the 90s. So they simply removed the bottom 2.