Here's the first one.

Texas' ethically challenged, and incredibly stupid AG, issued this whopper

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2015/06/28/exas-...y-couples/

Monday is going to be fun. Hundreds of lawsuits are being prepared against County Clerks and Judges. The state will lose every single one of them. And they're gonna have to pay legal fees and damages too.

This will probably get Texas' pastor "protection" bill thrown out too.

(06-28-2015 04:37 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Here's the first one.

Texas' ethically challenged, and incredibly stupid AG, issued this whopper

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2015/06/28/exas-...y-couples/

Monday is going to be fun. Hundreds of lawsuits are being prepared against County Clerks and Judges. The state will lose every single one of them. And they're gonna have to pay legal fees and damages too.

This will probably get Texas' pastor "protection" bill thrown out too.

...and you know this how?

Ask any lawyer how this is going to go. The state will lose every single lawsuit. Heck even the ethically challenged AG notes in his statement that those following his advice are likely to face fines and other penalties.

The SCOTUS decision was not based on sound legal reasoning. The majority ignored the law and just wanted to do what's "fair". However, any effort to fight the ruling is just tilting at windmills.

(06-28-2015 04:37 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Here's the first one.

Texas' ethically challenged, and incredibly stupid AG, issued this whopper

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2015/06/28/exas-...y-couples/

Monday is going to be fun. Hundreds of lawsuits are being prepared against County Clerks and Judges. The state will lose every single one of them. And they're gonna have to pay legal fees and damages too.

This will probably get Texas' pastor "protection" bill thrown out too.

None of it will matter. True Christians and pastors will not comply regardless of this law. This will cause an awakening in many.

The wheat will be easily separated from the chaff in today's church. In some ways you've done real Christians a favor.

(06-28-2015 05:07 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  The SCOTUS decision was not based on sound legal reasoning. The majority ignored the law and just wanted to do what's "fair". However, any effort to fight the ruling is just tilting at windmills.

Even though I oppose gay marriage for religious reasons, there are some things that in all honesty, shouldn't be left to individual states; marriage is one of them. The full faith and credit clause of the Constitution is designed to keep the US from being 51 countries.

I am a federalist. But unlike a lot of the "leadership" in DC, I am not a socialist.

Pike and Geneva Counties in Alabama are out of the marriage license issuing business.

Batshit crazy Roy Moore is doing his usual saber-rattling.

I didn't read the link but if Tom's panties are in wad again then it must be about homosexuals.

(06-28-2015 05:56 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  I didn't read the link but if Tom's panties are in wad again then it must be about homosexuals.

(06-28-2015 04:37 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Here's the first one.

Texas' ethically challenged, and incredibly stupid AG, issued this whopper

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2015/06/28/exas-...y-couples/

Monday is going to be fun. Hundreds of lawsuits are being prepared against County Clerks and Judges. The state will lose every single one of them. And they're gonna have to pay legal fees and damages too.

This will probably get Texas' pastor "protection" bill thrown out too.

What is Texas' pastor protection bill? First I have heard of it.

(06-28-2015 05:52 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Pike and Geneva Counties in Alabama are out of the marriage license issuing business.

Batshit crazy Roy Moore is doing his usual saber-rattling.

And Washington County Alabama too. And Tuscaloosa County as well.

But there's a real problem that Alabama's nullifiers have. It seems as though Federal Judge Ginny Grenade has already issued an order mandating them to issue the licenses. She then put a stay on the order, but that stay will most likely be lifted on Monday. Once that stay is lifted, those Probate Judges appear to be in direct violation of a specific Federal Court Order.

I'm not sure the Pike County idea of "shutting down the pool before it integrates" (refusing to issue any licenses) will actually protect him in this case.

I think things are going to get painful for the nullifiers in Alabama. Quickly.

(06-28-2015 06:16 PM)PlainTiger Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 04:37 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Here's the first one.

Texas' ethically challenged, and incredibly stupid AG, issued this whopper

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2015/06/28/exas-...y-couples/

Monday is going to be fun. Hundreds of lawsuits are being prepared against County Clerks and Judges. The state will lose every single one of them. And they're gonna have to pay legal fees and damages too.

This will probably get Texas' pastor "protection" bill thrown out too.

What is Texas' pastor protection bill? First I have heard of it.

It was a pointless piece of legislation that attempted to put a figleaf on nullification. But if they're going to try and use it to violate a Supreme Court Ruling, then the bill will probably be thrown out. Either way, expect lawsuits tomorrow. And in civil rights lawsuits, the state must pay legal costs if they lose.

(06-28-2015 06:16 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 05:52 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Pike and Geneva Counties in Alabama are out of the marriage license issuing business.

Batshit crazy Roy Moore is doing his usual saber-rattling.

And Washington County Alabama too. And Tuscaloosa County as well.

But there's a real problem that Alabama's nullifiers have. It seems as though Federal Judge Ginny Grenade has already issued an order mandating them to issue the licenses. She then put a stay on the order, but that stay will most likely be lifted on Monday. Once that stay is lifted, those Probate Judges appear to be in direct violation of a specific Federal Court Order.

I'm not sure the Pike County idea of "shutting down the pool before it integrates" (refusing to issue any licenses) will actually protect him in this case.

I think things are going to get painful for the nullifiers in Alabama. Quickly.

Did Grenade's order cover all of Alabama or just Mobile/Baldwin? I can't remember. It will be painful. Alabama has repeatedly demonstrated it'll piss my tax dollars away on fights it knows it's going to lose.

(06-28-2015 06:19 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 06:16 PM)PlainTiger Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 04:37 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Here's the first one.

Texas' ethically challenged, and incredibly stupid AG, issued this whopper

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2015/06/28/exas-...y-couples/

Monday is going to be fun. Hundreds of lawsuits are being prepared against County Clerks and Judges. The state will lose every single one of them. And they're gonna have to pay legal fees and damages too.

This will probably get Texas' pastor "protection" bill thrown out too.

What is Texas' pastor protection bill? First I have heard of it.

It was a pointless piece of legislation that attempted to put a figleaf on nullification. But if they're going to try and use it to violate a Supreme Court Ruling, then the bill will probably be thrown out. Either way, expect lawsuits tomorrow. And in civil rights lawsuits, the state must pay legal costs if they lose.

Not true, but bless you for trying.

Tom is correct on this. Nothing will happen here. I expect this AG is simply trying to run for re-election with this.

(06-28-2015 06:21 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 06:16 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 05:52 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Pike and Geneva Counties in Alabama are out of the marriage license issuing business.

Batshit crazy Roy Moore is doing his usual saber-rattling.

And Washington County Alabama too. And Tuscaloosa County as well.

But there's a real problem that Alabama's nullifiers have. It seems as though Federal Judge Ginny Grenade has already issued an order mandating them to issue the licenses. She then put a stay on the order, but that stay will most likely be lifted on Monday. Once that stay is lifted, those Probate Judges appear to be in direct violation of a specific Federal Court Order.

I'm not sure the Pike County idea of "shutting down the pool before it integrates" (refusing to issue any licenses) will actually protect him in this case.

I think things are going to get painful for the nullifiers in Alabama. Quickly.

Did Grenade's order cover all of Alabama or just Mobile/Baldwin? I can't remember. It will be painful. Alabama has repeatedly demonstrated it'll piss my tax dollars away on fights it knows it's going to lose.

She did clarify her ruling that it mandated all 67 of Alabama's Counties to issue the licenses. http://www.al.com/news/mobile/index.ssf/...mas_s.html

Yea, Mobile County sub-moron (oops I mean Probate Judge) Don Davis has already spent at least 200k on their own legal fees. And that doesn't count the opposition's legal fees, which are substantial and will likely have to be paid by the County. And that's just one County. There are remainder and nullification lawsuits currently going on in at least TEN other Alabama Counties. This thing could hit 10 million easily. And that's without further nullification attempts by other counties.

Ten million will finance a lot of liberal activism.

(06-28-2015 06:19 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 06:16 PM)PlainTiger Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 04:37 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Here's the first one.

Texas' ethically challenged, and incredibly stupid AG, issued this whopper

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2015/06/28/exas-...y-couples/

Monday is going to be fun. Hundreds of lawsuits are being prepared against County Clerks and Judges. The state will lose every single one of them. And they're gonna have to pay legal fees and damages too.

This will probably get Texas' pastor "protection" bill thrown out too.

What is Texas' pastor protection bill? First I have heard of it.

It was a pointless piece of legislation that attempted to put a figleaf on nullification. But if they're going to try and use it to violate a Supreme Court Ruling, then the bill will probably be thrown out. Either way, expect lawsuits tomorrow. And in civil rights lawsuits, the state must pay legal costs if they lose.

That was not the level of detail I was hoping for. So I researched it for myself.

http://www.texastribune.org/2015/06/11/g...ction-act/

That link says it has been signed into law.

(06-28-2015 06:31 PM)PlainTiger Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 06:19 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 06:16 PM)PlainTiger Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 04:37 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Here's the first one.

Texas' ethically challenged, and incredibly stupid AG, issued this whopper

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2015/06/28/exas-...y-couples/

Monday is going to be fun. Hundreds of lawsuits are being prepared against County Clerks and Judges. The state will lose every single one of them. And they're gonna have to pay legal fees and damages too.

This will probably get Texas' pastor "protection" bill thrown out too.

What is Texas' pastor protection bill? First I have heard of it.

It was a pointless piece of legislation that attempted to put a figleaf on nullification. But if they're going to try and use it to violate a Supreme Court Ruling, then the bill will probably be thrown out. Either way, expect lawsuits tomorrow. And in civil rights lawsuits, the state must pay legal costs if they lose.

That was not the level of detail I was hoping for. So I researched it for myself.

http://www.texastribune.org/2015/06/11/g...ction-act/

That link says it has been signed into law.

It has been signed into law. Not disputing that. But since it appears to be used to attempt to justify nullification of a Supreme Court Ruling, it is now open to being struck down.

(06-28-2015 06:28 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 06:21 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 06:16 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 05:52 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Pike and Geneva Counties in Alabama are out of the marriage license issuing business.

Batshit crazy Roy Moore is doing his usual saber-rattling.

And Washington County Alabama too. And Tuscaloosa County as well.

But there's a real problem that Alabama's nullifiers have. It seems as though Federal Judge Ginny Grenade has already issued an order mandating them to issue the licenses. She then put a stay on the order, but that stay will most likely be lifted on Monday. Once that stay is lifted, those Probate Judges appear to be in direct violation of a specific Federal Court Order.

I'm not sure the Pike County idea of "shutting down the pool before it integrates" (refusing to issue any licenses) will actually protect him in this case.

I think things are going to get painful for the nullifiers in Alabama. Quickly.

Did Grenade's order cover all of Alabama or just Mobile/Baldwin? I can't remember. It will be painful. Alabama has repeatedly demonstrated it'll piss my tax dollars away on fights it knows it's going to lose.

She did clarify her ruling that it mandated all 67 of Alabama's Counties to issue the licenses.

Yea, Mobile County sub-moron (oops I mean Probate Judge) Don Davis has already spent at least 200k on their own legal fees. And that doesn't count the opposition's legal fees, which are substantial and will likely have to be paid by the County. And that's just one County. There are remainder and nullification lawsuits currently going on in at least TEN other Alabama Counties. This thing could hit 10 million easily. And that's without further nullification attempts by other counties.

I somewhat object to your use of the word "nullifiers" in this. Nullification usually involves a jury and not the court itself. The AG is of course part of the court. As a juror it is your right to judge both the defendant and the statute in which they are charged. The SCOTUS has upheld that right many times. It is your duty as a juror to know this and no judge will ever tell you this in their instructions. If you let the court know that you believe in the right of jury nullification you will likely be removed from service and you risk in some instances being held in contempt. Anyone that is interested in this should visit FIJA(Fully Informed Jury Association) on the web.

I actually submit that nullification is not the appropriate term to use here. I would lean more toward civil disobedience.

(06-28-2015 06:39 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 06:28 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 06:21 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 06:16 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 05:52 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Pike and Geneva Counties in Alabama are out of the marriage license issuing business.

Batshit crazy Roy Moore is doing his usual saber-rattling.

And Washington County Alabama too. And Tuscaloosa County as well.

But there's a real problem that Alabama's nullifiers have. It seems as though Federal Judge Ginny Grenade has already issued an order mandating them to issue the licenses. She then put a stay on the order, but that stay will most likely be lifted on Monday. Once that stay is lifted, those Probate Judges appear to be in direct violation of a specific Federal Court Order.

I'm not sure the Pike County idea of "shutting down the pool before it integrates" (refusing to issue any licenses) will actually protect him in this case.

I think things are going to get painful for the nullifiers in Alabama. Quickly.

Did Grenade's order cover all of Alabama or just Mobile/Baldwin? I can't remember. It will be painful. Alabama has repeatedly demonstrated it'll piss my tax dollars away on fights it knows it's going to lose.

She did clarify her ruling that it mandated all 67 of Alabama's Counties to issue the licenses.

Yea, Mobile County sub-moron (oops I mean Probate Judge) Don Davis has already spent at least 200k on their own legal fees. And that doesn't count the opposition's legal fees, which are substantial and will likely have to be paid by the County. And that's just one County. There are remainder and nullification lawsuits currently going on in at least TEN other Alabama Counties. This thing could hit 10 million easily. And that's without further nullification attempts by other counties.

I somewhat object to your use of the word "nullifiers" in this. Nullification usually involves a jury and not the court itself. The AG is of course part of the court. As a juror it is your right to judge both the defendant and the statute in which they are charged. The SCOTUS has upheld that right many times. It is your duty as a juror to know this and no judge will ever tell you this in their instructions. If you let the court know that you believe in the right of jury nullification you will likely be removed from service and you risk in some instances being held in contempt. Anyone that is interested in this should visit FIJA(Fully Informed Jury Association) on the web.

I actually submit that nullification is not the appropriate term to use here. I would lean more toward civil disobedience.

I'm going with nullification. Its what I use to describe Alabama's attempts to defy the court on issues of racial equality.

Civil disobedience acknowledges that the law is valid, but implies that they are willing to defy it and go to jail (lose all their assets) to fight it. That's not what is happening here. What's happening here is that the bigots are trying to create some sort of legal roadblocks to justify their refusal to follow the law of the land.

I'm sticking with nullification.