(06-28-2015 11:35 AM)Paul M Wrote: How do you know.
Because I have read the Bible.
So you know some of what he said on a few occasions.
Want to re-think your original statement?
I'll not even mention that a lot of what he did say confirmed other parts of the Bible. Parts that did have some strong words for it. Oh, guess I did.
Well then you would have to provide an example because every time this subject comes up I can't help but think about which commandments Jesus said were most important.
We've gone through this before fitbud. I laid all the verses out for you. Homosexuality is clearly sin, whether Jesus specifically said it or not.
But do is doing a thousand other things. Why focus so much on this one?
(06-28-2015 11:56 AM)Fitbud Wrote: Because I have read the Bible.
So you know some of what he said on a few occasions.
Want to re-think your original statement?
I'll not even mention that a lot of what he did say confirmed other parts of the Bible. Parts that did have some strong words for it. Oh, guess I did.
Well then you would have to provide an example because every time this subject comes up I can't help but think about which commandments Jesus said were most important.
We've gone through this before fitbud. I laid all the verses out for you. Homosexuality is clearly sin, whether Jesus specifically said it or not.
But do is doing a thousand other things. Why focus so much on this one?
It is the only one, to my knowledge, that we are being asked to celebrate and be proud of while the repentant are condemned.
(06-28-2015 12:10 PM)Paul M Wrote: So you know some of what he said on a few occasions.
Want to re-think your original statement?
I'll not even mention that a lot of what he did say confirmed other parts of the Bible. Parts that did have some strong words for it. Oh, guess I did.
Well then you would have to provide an example because every time this subject comes up I can't help but think about which commandments Jesus said were most important.
We've gone through this before fitbud. I laid all the verses out for you. Homosexuality is clearly sin, whether Jesus specifically said it or not.
But do is doing a thousand other things. Why focus so much on this one?
It is the only one, to my knowledge, that we are being asked to celebrate and be proud of while the repentant are condemned.
(07-02-2015 02:45 PM)EverRespect Wrote: It is the only one, to my knowledge, that we are being asked to celebrate and be proud of while the repentant are condemned.
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Who is asking you to celebrate it?
You're kidding right? This crap is everywhere, ESPECIALLY in the public sector. I mean, how many public $$$ are spent on Queer parades?
One recent example was when I was PMed on Facebook by 3 different people asking me to screen my profile pic with the gay flag. Maybe they assume because my brother is a queer that I am proud of him. Not happening.
(07-02-2015 02:45 PM)EverRespect Wrote: It is the only one, to my knowledge, that we are being asked to celebrate and be proud of while the repentant are condemned.
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Who is asking you to celebrate it?
You're kidding right? This crap is everywhere, ESPECIALLY in the public sector. I mean, how many public $$$ are spent on Queer parades?
(07-01-2015 03:55 PM)GoodOwl Wrote: I'm not a huge fan of the whole government grant thing anyway. I'd rather that it be left up to individuals to fund the causes they care about, and get the government out of it completely. Tax breaks for donations, okay, but not the direct government grants.
The problem as I see it is that too many people expect the government to be doing too many things. I'm more of an "ask not what your government can do for you--do it for yourself--we'll give you a tax break to do it with" person.
Same thing with Health Insurance. I would have been more on board if the ACA just allowed tax breaks and credits to buy insurance, expanded instead of gutted the Health Savings Accounts, and allowed people to freely choose for themselves what they wanted instead of mandating things many either didn't want or, in most cases, didn't even need. And if they wanted to give blanket coverage to everyone, they would have done better to stop at catastrophic policies for all, and left the regular stuff to tax credits fort all to have choice for themselves.
I don't like groups like Planned Parenthood and what they stand for. I can point out that Catholic Charities helps many poor, minority, homosexuals, etc... things you might favor, but that does not stop you from liking what they are about overall. I understand that. I'd rather both kinds of groups not receive any dollars from any government entity or taxpayer funded foundations. That way, at least the people funding it will have their beliefs line up with what the organization does.
Same principle for unions--don't force people to pay for what they don't want for themselves to participate in. If they somehow "benefit" incidentally, then too bad for the unions. If they don't want to benefit ancillary people, then they'll have to work harder to convince people to join on the merits of what they do is worth it. (And probably pay their union bosses and executives a heck of a lot smaller salaries as well, speaking of it.)
I want to give the people and the individual the choice to decide, not the government and the rich elite executives of these organizations.
(07-01-2015 03:55 PM)GoodOwl Wrote: I'm not a huge fan of the whole government grant thing anyway. I'd rather that it be left up to individuals to fund the causes they care about, and get the government out of it completely. Tax breaks for donations, okay, but not the direct government grants.
The problem as I see it is that too many people expect the government to be doing too many things. I'm more of an "ask not what your government can do for you--do it for yourself--we'll give you a tax break to do it with" person.
Same thing with Health Insurance. I would have been more on board if the ACA just allowed tax breaks and credits to buy insurance, expanded instead of gutted the Health Savings Accounts, and allowed people to freely choose for themselves what they wanted instead of mandating things many either didn't want or, in most cases, didn't even need. And if they wanted to give blanket coverage to everyone, they would have done better to stop at catastrophic policies for all, and left the regular stuff to tax credits fort all to have choice for themselves.
I don't like groups like Planned Parenthood and what they stand for. I can point out that Catholic Charities helps many poor, minority, homosexuals, etc... things you might favor, but that does not stop you from liking what they are about overall. I understand that. I'd rather both kinds of groups not receive any dollars from any government entity or taxpayer funded foundations. That way, at least the people funding it will have their beliefs line up with what the organization does.
Same principle for unions--don't force people to pay for what they don't want for themselves to participate in. If they somehow "benefit" incidentally, then too bad for the unions. If they don't want to benefit ancillary people, then they'll have to work harder to convince people to join on the merits of what they do is worth it. (And probably pay their union bosses and executives a heck of a lot smaller salaries as well, speaking of it.)
I want to give the people and the individual the choice to decide, not the government and the rich elite executives of these organizations.
Correct use of meme. Pass go and collect 3 rep points.
(07-02-2015 02:45 PM)EverRespect Wrote: It is the only one, to my knowledge, that we are being asked to celebrate and be proud of while the repentant are condemned.
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Who is asking you to celebrate it?
You're kidding right? This crap is everywhere, ESPECIALLY in the public sector. I mean, how many public $$$ are spent on Queer parades?
(07-02-2015 02:45 PM)EverRespect Wrote: It is the only one, to my knowledge, that we are being asked to celebrate and be proud of while the repentant are condemned.
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Who is asking you to celebrate it?
You're kidding right? This crap is everywhere, ESPECIALLY in the public sector. I mean, how many public $$$ are spent on Queer parades?
You're an even bigger idiot than I once thought. You realize this stuff is funded by tax dollars, right? And I'd say it's pretty damn clear those kids are forced to celebrate this **** in public schools.
(This post was last modified: 07-02-2015 10:25 PM by blunderbuss.)
Getting back to the original topic, I think that gays are in danger of overplaying their hand.
At this moment, gays enjoy an unprecedented amount of support throughout the general population. I suspect that this support is grounded in a "live and let live" meme. It is more tolerance than celebration. Gays have achieved political equality but want more.
Their cause could suffer a rapid erosion if the non-gay majority loses sympathy for gay causes. This could result from gays pushing their revenge agenda against the churches and/or their quest to achieve an enhanced level of societal acceptance, demanding that everyone not only tolerate their lifestyle but accept it as equal, if not superior, to that of straights.
Tom's posts are quite clear about his animus towards the Catholic Church. He frames his arguments as a church-state funding conundrum, but in reality, it is just his hatred for the Church that believes he is acting immorally in his sexual lifestyle. He "hates" because someone disagrees with him. This form of sociopathic hostility is likely only present in a minority of all gays, while most may be content to be left alone. But when the minority are committed to making the most noise, support can shift.
The gays better think twice about what they want to accomplish.
(This post was last modified: 07-03-2015 07:45 AM by QuestionSocratic.)
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