(06-10-2015 02:47 PM)Lush Wrote:  

(06-10-2015 01:55 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(06-10-2015 01:19 PM)Lush Wrote:  i would like if the suburbs didn't exist and i think it's feasible for them not to, or at least to an extant in most major metropolitan areas. but with everything it begins with the people to realize they don't need to build a new house or live in a new subdivision a 45 minute commute to work each way. i'm most opposed to lack of wild space, not even for farms, just land that isn't for sale and isn't ever going to be used, by people. because that land is vital to people. we need to reclaim land, restore it, and never touch it. i'm not an expert at urbanization, nor is it even a hobby, but i know it's important.

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for starters, turn d.c back into a f*ckin' marsh

This is how the fights between Suburban and Urban people start. Urban city dwellers telling Suburban people their neighborhood should not exist. Lush what you need to realize is that people are free to live where they want, send their kids to good suburban public schools. Urban people have long commutes also. Get on a plane and fly over the USA 95% of it is wild and open. The land isn't being used it is wide open.

Suburban America serves a vital role in housing and maintaining strong communities. Not everyone wants to live in Covington or Northside.

i would never tell anybody where to live. i'm a man of principles. i would never tell a man he couldn't do anything. what i said was suburbs shouldn't exist, so they couldn't live in suburbs if they didn't exist. if people want to live in suburbs fine, but it'd be nice if they knew about what land was torn up to create their land. and i know that exists for us city folk too. but we already have the pillaged land, we have properties available to you. affordable and some safe.

hogwash. that tapestry you fly over is wild? i don't know the exact parameters to the extent of farming in the states, but it has to be massive. i don't need to fly to know this. i've seen it, man. the horror. the horror.

So you're saying everyone should pay $1500/month to live in a sardine can? There's not much unused land in Illinois, but most of it is used for agriculture, not suburbs or cities. I agree we should keep some wild places, but those have as much threat from businesses as they do from suburbs.

(06-10-2015 02:47 PM)Lush Wrote:  i don't know

yup.

(06-10-2015 01:59 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(06-10-2015 01:46 PM)Lush Wrote:  

(06-10-2015 01:21 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(06-10-2015 01:19 PM)Lush Wrote:  i would like if the suburbs didn't exist and i think it's feasible for them not to, or at least to an extant in most major metropolitan areas. but with everything it begins with the people to realize they don't need to build a new house or live in a new subdivision a 45 minute commute to work each way. i'm most opposed to lack of wild space, not even for farms, just land that isn't for sale and isn't ever going to be used, by people. because that land is vital to people. we need to reclaim land, restore it, and never touch it. i'm not an expert at urbanization, nor is it even a hobby, but i know it's important.

Good Lord. You're a Communist.

so having wild land isn't important?

This is such a clown post I'm not sure how to respond other than this.


Keep in mind that's just the federal land, not state owned. Ever been in an airplane?

where for art thou farms? bees?

(06-10-2015 03:11 PM)Lush Wrote:  where for art thou farms? bees?

I like small town life. I grew up in a town with 1k and surrounded by farms and still live there. But now there are 3k and subdivisions outnumber farms outside the city limits. I can drive to the city in about an hour and that works well.

thank you. and that isn't wild. but i am thankful for the midwest. since most people are concentrated around major metropolitan areas, it makes sense to have more void space around those areas. more people, more opportunities for pollinators. why? because big cities would at least consider investing in this. here in suburban cincinnati there is this,

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2014/10/24/masons-natural-jewel/17880313/

Mason's natural jewel

Rachel Richardson, [email protected] 12:31 a.m. EDT October 25, 2014
Green B.E.A.N. Delivery leases 50 acres of land to grow organic produce

The Cincinnati Zoo & Botanical Garden's 600-acre Bowyer Farm property north of Mason's downtown is a refuge for plants and wildlife.
Early Warren County settlers transformed natural wetlands into farmland.
Dallas and Helen Bowyer donated the property to the Cincinnati Zoo in furtherance of the zoo's mission.
Zoo's conservation efforts have brought 125 bird species, 200 native plants to Bowyer Farm.
Perched atop what used to be verdant fields of swaying cornstalks and soybeans, a great egret spreads its wings and dips a slender beak into a marsh. A kingfisher soars overhead the glittering oasis as migrating shorebirds forage along a stretch of mudflats in search of worms and larvae. Native sedges, cattails and bursts of crimson-eyed mallow line the shore's edge, sheltering darting frogs and flittering butterflies.

(06-10-2015 02:47 PM)Lush Wrote:  

(06-10-2015 01:55 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(06-10-2015 01:19 PM)Lush Wrote:  i would like if the suburbs didn't exist and i think it's feasible for them not to, or at least to an extant in most major metropolitan areas. but with everything it begins with the people to realize they don't need to build a new house or live in a new subdivision a 45 minute commute to work each way. i'm most opposed to lack of wild space, not even for farms, just land that isn't for sale and isn't ever going to be used, by people. because that land is vital to people. we need to reclaim land, restore it, and never touch it. i'm not an expert at urbanization, nor is it even a hobby, but i know it's important.

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for starters, turn d.c back into a f*ckin' marsh

This is how the fights between Suburban and Urban people start. Urban city dwellers telling Suburban people their neighborhood should not exist. Lush what you need to realize is that people are free to live where they want, send their kids to good suburban public schools. Urban people have long commutes also. Get on a plane and fly over the USA 95% of it is wild and open. The land isn't being used it is wide open.

Suburban America serves a vital role in housing and maintaining strong communities. Not everyone wants to live in Covington or Northside.

i would never tell anybody where to live. i'm a man of principles. i would never tell a man he couldn't do anything. what i said was suburbs shouldn't exist, so they couldn't live in suburbs if they didn't exist. if people want to live in suburbs fine, but it'd be nice if they knew about what land was torn up to create their land. and i know that exists for us city folk too. but we already have the pillaged land, we have properties available to you. affordable and some safe.

hogwash. that tapestry you fly over is wild? i don't know the exact parameters to the extent of farming in the states, but it has to be massive. i don't need to fly to know this. i've seen it, man. the horror. the horror.

Lush where you live, Northside, was a serene natural habitat. Now it is a concrete jungle, shame on you.

(06-10-2015 02:47 PM)Lush Wrote:  

(06-10-2015 01:55 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(06-10-2015 01:19 PM)Lush Wrote:  i would like if the suburbs didn't exist and i think it's feasible for them not to, or at least to an extant in most major metropolitan areas. but with everything it begins with the people to realize they don't need to build a new house or live in a new subdivision a 45 minute commute to work each way. i'm most opposed to lack of wild space, not even for farms, just land that isn't for sale and isn't ever going to be used, by people. because that land is vital to people. we need to reclaim land, restore it, and never touch it. i'm not an expert at urbanization, nor is it even a hobby, but i know it's important.

edit:

for starters, turn d.c back into a f*ckin' marsh

This is how the fights between Suburban and Urban people start. Urban city dwellers telling Suburban people their neighborhood should not exist. Lush what you need to realize is that people are free to live where they want, send their kids to good suburban public schools. Urban people have long commutes also. Get on a plane and fly over the USA 95% of it is wild and open. The land isn't being used it is wide open.

Suburban America serves a vital role in housing and maintaining strong communities. Not everyone wants to live in Covington or Northside.

i would never tell anybody where to live. i'm a man of principles. i would never tell a man he couldn't do anything. what i said was suburbs shouldn't exist, so they couldn't live in suburbs if they didn't exist. if people want to live in suburbs fine, but it'd be nice if they knew about what land was torn up to create their land. and i know that exists for us city folk too. but we already have the pillaged land, we have properties available to you. affordable and some safe.

hogwash. that tapestry you fly over is wild? i don't know the exact parameters to the extent of farming in the states, but it has to be massive. i don't need to fly to know this. i've seen it, man. the horror. the horror.

So we shouldn't have farms either?

I think I'm getting it here, you're one of those "the world would be better off without people entirely" types.

Fine, you start.

I prefer a gated, suburban community where we can keep riffraff out of our pools.

(06-10-2015 06:16 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  I prefer a gated, suburban community where we can keep riffraff out of our pools.

Fine, I won't crash your parties anymore.

(06-10-2015 07:12 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(06-10-2015 06:16 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  I prefer a gated, suburban community where we can keep riffraff out of our pools.

Fine, I won't crash your parties anymore.

There's no "crashing" these parties, just show up with some cheap Chardonnay for the dolled-up womens, and a bumper of bourbon for the guys, no problem.

I'm guessing none of these "guests" did either.

(06-10-2015 04:04 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Lush where you live, Northside, was a serene natural habitat. Now it is a concrete jungle, shame on you.

i'm aware. wooden shoe hollow is a beautiful place. that technically isn't northside, but it's close. i made note to mention that my neighborhood was once an oasis. used to be so many bubbling (or is it babbling?) brooks they called the place frogtown. the point is, i moved into the neighborhood i didn't build on some lot where there was once nothing. and from an aesthetics point of view, negative space sometimes speaks louder than what is created. anyways,

jmu, i'm not against people, they should live as they choose. and as crazy as it sounds, i might be wrong about the whole wild space near cities concept as to why it's important. i still think it's a good idea