(05-31-2015 10:54 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-31-2015 10:39 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-31-2015 10:29 AM)JRsec Wrote:  ...Jumbo should have been relegated to Auburn's school of Veterinary Medicine and the only animal related items in Jordan-Hare should have been the Eagle that flies before the games, and of course the pigskin.

Flying eagles are unimpressive. If you REALLY want to spice things up, let a live tiger loose in the stands (preferably on the visitors side during the Alabama game)

Nah! L.S.U. does that by placing Mike (a live Bengal Tiger) next to the visiting teams' entrance to the field. We actually had a player that found another way to enter (alone) so that he didn't have to walk or run by Mike. Auburn folks have always wanted to see Big Al fly off of the upper-deck in Tuscaloosa when we play over there, but so far.....nothing.

Fineeee, do a bear. I don't think that anyone has a bear at their games.

(05-30-2015 11:42 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(05-30-2015 09:45 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(05-30-2015 08:21 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(05-29-2015 11:56 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Brett McMurphy @McMurphyESPN
SEC will distribute $31.07M per school in revenue, sources told @ESPN. League made record $455M past year
10:07 AM - 29 May 2015

I see it was posted on the Realignment board, but I don't think it's been discussed here. And I don't want to jump into a conversation that's already on page 14.

If accurate, the ACC will be a cool ~$8-9M behind SEC payouts this year, and primed to only increase over the next 5-10 years. That's much more than I was expecting. I believe they were around a $21M average last year.

If accurate, I hope FSU's on the phone with Texas, OU and ND about forming their own conference. Heck, even if it's not accurate, I'd still meet with them as a contingency.

Let's see:
Notre Dame does not want to join a conference, and Texas is making more than SEC money with their LHN deal. What's their incentive to do what you suggest?
At this point the real pressure is on ESPN to keep their property relevant and at least somewhat satisfied.

Since clearly your African American Studies major taught you nothing, ND would be in discussions for a similar deal they have with the ACC. You do know they are in a conference, right?

The University of North Carolina there was no African-American Studies Program.

So how did you cheat then? <rimshot>

joking of course

Pretty good article that goes along with what I was saying about ticket revenue and contributions separate teams more than an equal share of conference revenue.

http://www.sportsdaynow.com/sec-network-...s-context/

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time to add Texas teams

(05-30-2015 10:22 AM)nole Wrote:  

(05-30-2015 09:57 AM)44AndThe23 Wrote:  

(05-30-2015 09:47 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(05-30-2015 09:32 AM)samandrea Wrote:  

(05-29-2015 11:56 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Brett McMurphy @McMurphyESPN
SEC will distribute $31.07M per school in revenue, sources told @ESPN. League made record $455M past year
10:07 AM - 29 May 2015

I see it was posted on the Realignment board, but I don't think it's been discussed here. And I don't want to jump into a conversation that's already on page 14.

If accurate, the ACC will be a cool ~$8-9M behind SEC payouts this year, and primed to only increase over the next 5-10 years. That's much more than I was expecting. I believe they were around a $21M average last year.

If accurate, I hope FSU's on the phone with Texas, OU and ND about forming their own conference. Heck, even if it's not accurate, I'd still meet with them as a contingency.

You should do that. It is time for UNC to make the jump I believe to the SEC. Heck, right now would be a great time to go to the BIG since their contract is up soon.

I'd love to see UNC jump to the SEC or Big Ten and become a nobody, hating your new conference because you're no longer in control of anything. But that's directed more at the general UNC fan than you specifically.

I'm new to the board and come in peace unless provoked. My question to you sir Since I'm a little far north, Does the common FSU fan simply want out of the ACC or do they like the ACC? I'm just wondering because It sounds like to me your fanbase hates the ACC and wants out.

1. With the coming revenue differences, FSU will not be able to compete for national titles. That is reality and that point ALONE makes the ACC a huge issue.

I don't believe this at all....

Does that mean the PAC 12 is just as doomed because of their $$$??? How much money do Baylor and TCU make??

The SEC can only put out 1 champ a year, despite all the money they're making....it's not logical that if you're not making SEC money, you can't compete. Now if we're talking G5 money, you might be getting closer to the truth

(06-01-2015 03:24 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(05-30-2015 10:22 AM)nole Wrote:  

(05-30-2015 09:57 AM)44AndThe23 Wrote:  

(05-30-2015 09:47 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(05-30-2015 09:32 AM)samandrea Wrote:  You should do that. It is time for UNC to make the jump I believe to the SEC. Heck, right now would be a great time to go to the BIG since their contract is up soon.

I'd love to see UNC jump to the SEC or Big Ten and become a nobody, hating your new conference because you're no longer in control of anything. But that's directed more at the general UNC fan than you specifically.

I'm new to the board and come in peace unless provoked. My question to you sir Since I'm a little far north, Does the common FSU fan simply want out of the ACC or do they like the ACC? I'm just wondering because It sounds like to me your fanbase hates the ACC and wants out.

1. With the coming revenue differences, FSU will not be able to compete for national titles. That is reality and that point ALONE makes the ACC a huge issue.

I don't believe this at all....

Does that mean the PAC 12 is just as doomed because of their $$$??? How much money do Baylor and TCU make??

The SEC can only put out 1 champ a year, despite all the money they're making....it's not logical that if you're not making SEC money, you can't compete. Now if we're talking G5 money, you might be getting closer to the truth

Yep. Look, conference revenue is very important but there schools who might make less money that are always going to be powers and challenging for titles, just like there are schools who receive more money from their conference that will NEVER compete for anything.

It matters...it does.

But there's only so much the ACC can help (or hurt) FSU's athletics.

In 2008:

Alabama: $123M
UF: $106M
Auburn: $90M
FSU: $73M

In 2014:

Alabama: $153M
UF: $125M
Auburn: $113M
FSU: $104M

In 2008, FSU was $50M behind Alabama, $33M behind UF, and $17M behind Auburn.

In 2014, FSU is $48 behind Alabama, $22M behind UF, and $9M behind Auburn.

Do you think if I went back, to say 1990, when FSU was playing in a 60k stadium, their revenue relative Bama and UF would be somehow closer? Yet we've managed to do ok. Somehow, in the time since the SEC signed their blockbuster TV deal to shoot to the front of the pack in 2008, and every Swofford gaffe, and every undermining by Tobacco Road, FSU has actually CLOSED the gap.

The money is important...But FSU could get an entire share of ACC revenue AND SEC revenue and still trail Bama.

FSU has NEVER been remotely close to it's Southern peers in revenue. It NEVER WILL BE. It will always have to overcome massive deficits to other schools, just as it has each of the three times it's won the national title.

That is not to say that the ACC doesn't have to push for more revenue, and that FSU shouldn't be holding their feet to the fire. It is very, very important. But it's not like FSU is going to close up shop over $5-10M.

(06-01-2015 04:09 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  It matters...it does.

But there's only so much the ACC can help (or hurt) FSU's athletics.

In 2008:

Alabama: $123M
UF: $106M
Auburn: $90M
FSU: $73M

In 2014:

Alabama: $153M
UF: $125M
Auburn: $113M
FSU: $104M

In 2008, FSU was $50M behind Alabama, $33M behind UF, and $17M behind Auburn.

In 2014, FSU is $48 behind Alabama, $22M behind UF, and $9M behind Auburn.

Do you think if I went back, to say 1990, when FSU was playing in a 60k stadium, their revenue relative Bama and UF would be somehow closer? Yet we've managed to do ok. Somehow, in the time since the SEC signed their blockbuster TV deal to shoot to the front of the pack in 2008, and every Swofford gaffe, and every undermining by Tobacco Road, FSU has actually CLOSED the gap.

The money is important...But FSU could get an entire share of ACC revenue AND SEC revenue and still trail Bama.

FSU has NEVER been remotely close to it's Southern peers in revenue. It NEVER WILL BE. It will always have to overcome massive deficits to other schools, just as it has each of the three times it's won the national title.

That is not to say that the ACC doesn't have to push for more revenue, and that FSU shouldn't be holding their feet to the fire. It is very, very important. But it's not like FSU is going to close up shop over $5-10M.

Exactly. There is only so much money you can put into facilities, staff, etc, all of which FSU does at an elite level now. Northwestern and Vandy aren't going to see any bump in status from more conference money. It takes a whole lot more than that to compete.

(06-01-2015 02:55 PM)dopeordogfood Wrote:  Pretty good article that goes along with what I was saying about ticket revenue and contributions separate teams more than an equal share of conference revenue.

http://www.sportsdaynow.com/sec-network-...s-context/

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Thanks for posting that link. I've been telling folks this for a while now and nobody believes, or wants to believe, what I've been telling them. The same is true at most of the SEC schools as what is linked here about Georgia. At Auburn an end zone / upper deck season ticket will cost north of $500 and you are limited to a purchase of 2 books for a contribution of $800. It goes up from there with breaks at $1,500 in contributions all the way up to $100,000 for a sky box for corporate sponsors and individuals with more money than sense. Each week is a classic Roman public outing for the who's who of Alabama. I'm not sure that folks outside of the region realize how much business and politics gets conducted on a football weekend. It is easily more than at most country clubs. Whatever goes for Auburn goes for Alabama, Ole Miss, Florida, Kentucky, South Carolina, Arkansas, Tennessee, Georgia, L.S.U., A&M, Mississippi State, and even Vandy. Hell, I bet even Missouri is getting into it. It's not just about football. If you need to lobby, win friends, make connections, or conduct back room deals you simply don't miss an event.

(06-01-2015 03:38 PM)KnightChris Wrote:  

(05-31-2015 11:05 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  Fineeee, do a bear. I don't think that anyone has a like bear at their games.

Cornell used to have one, albeit a cub:

http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/2008...g-red-bear
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchdown_%28mascot%29
http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/2013...l-unmascot

They're actually putting in a statue by Scholekopf.

(06-01-2015 04:54 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-01-2015 02:55 PM)dopeordogfood Wrote:  Pretty good article that goes along with what I was saying about ticket revenue and contributions separate teams more than an equal share of conference revenue.

http://www.sportsdaynow.com/sec-network-...s-context/

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Thanks for posting that link. I've been telling folks this for a while now and nobody believes, or wants to believe, what I've been telling them. The same is true at most of the SEC schools as what is linked here about Georgia. At Auburn an end zone / upper deck season ticket will cost north of $500 and you are limited to a purchase of 2 books for a contribution of $800. It goes up from there with breaks at $1,500 in contributions all the way up to $100,000 for a sky box for corporate sponsors and individuals with more money than sense. Each week is a classic Roman public outing for the who's who of Alabama. I'm not sure that folks outside of the region realize how much business and politics gets conducted on a football weekend. It is easily more than at most country clubs. Whatever goes for Auburn goes for Alabama, Ole Miss, Florida, Kentucky, South Carolina, Arkansas, Tennessee, Georgia, L.S.U., A&M, Mississippi State, and even Vandy. Hell, I bet even Missouri is getting into it. It's not just about football. If you need to lobby, win friends, make connections, or conduct back room deals you simply don't miss an event.

That what I said the other day in regards to university of Florida and FSU. The biggest difference in their revenues is "contributions"

2013-14
Univ of Florida
$22.9M ticket sales
$42.9M contributions
$39.4M rights and licensing
$2.4M student fees
$1.8M school funds
$14.9M "other"
_____________________
$124,611,305 total revenue

2013-14
FsU
$25.5M ticket sales
$22M contributions
$40M rights and licensing
$7.9 student fees
$0 school funds
$8.2M "other"
______________________
$104,774,424 total revenue

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

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(06-01-2015 03:38 PM)KnightChris Wrote:  

(05-31-2015 11:05 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  Fineeee, do a bear. I don't think that anyone has a like bear at their games.

Cornell used to have one, albeit a cub:

http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/2008...g-red-bear
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchdown_%28mascot%29
http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/2013...l-unmascot

So did Baylor

Danny Ford at the 79 Peach Bowl

The attempted argument that FSU shouldn't care about a new $10 million....soon to be $15-$20 million revenue gap because FSU has revenue difference in tix sales and contributions....well, that is hilarious.

That is reality....there are multiple streams of revenue to make up FSU's and others budget total. And it has ALWAYS been true FSU doesn't make as many as others.


But how that equals, FSU doesn't get to or won't worry about a new $10-$20 million gap with SEC peers.....well, that is pure nonsense.


FSU is concerned....VERY concerned and ANY school in the ACC that competes for national titles will be the same (or we will discover there are no other schools in the ACC serious about competing for national titles in football).

(06-01-2015 07:36 PM)nole Wrote:  The attempted argument that FSU shouldn't care about a new $10 million....soon to be $15-$20 million revenue gap because FSU has revenue difference in tix sales and contributions....well, that is hilarious.

That is reality....there are multiple streams of revenue to make up FSU's and others budget total. And it has ALWAYS been true FSU doesn't make as many as others.


But how that equals, FSU doesn't get to or won't worry about a new $10-$20 million gap with SEC peers.....well, that is pure nonsense.


FSU is concerned....VERY concerned and ANY school in the ACC that competes for national titles will be the same (or we will discover there are no other schools in the ACC serious about competing for national titles in football).

Football will be first, but it ain't going to stop there.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2015/...ry_package

Quote:"Our commissioner was pretty straightforward that we needed to, and could, do better in basketball," says Vanderbilt athletic director David Williams. "We as ADs had to come together and say 'Yeah, we could and we should so let's all sort of put egos aside for the betterment of trying to make basketball better.'"

Slive made his own move to rectify the situation by hiring Mark Whitworth as the SEC's basketball czar and Greg Shaheen, the former head of the NCAA tournament, as a scheduling consultant. Their charge: Help conference schools schedule smarter because the league's RPI and other metrics were only as strong as the weakest link.

Sure would be great if our commissioner showed a little leadership and did the same for the ACC in the primary money-making sport in college sports.

(06-01-2015 07:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(06-01-2015 07:36 PM)nole Wrote:  The attempted argument that FSU shouldn't care about a new $10 million....soon to be $15-$20 million revenue gap because FSU has revenue difference in tix sales and contributions....well, that is hilarious.

That is reality....there are multiple streams of revenue to make up FSU's and others budget total. And it has ALWAYS been true FSU doesn't make as many as others.


But how that equals, FSU doesn't get to or won't worry about a new $10-$20 million gap with SEC peers.....well, that is pure nonsense.


FSU is concerned....VERY concerned and ANY school in the ACC that competes for national titles will be the same (or we will discover there are no other schools in the ACC serious about competing for national titles in football).

Football will be first, but it ain't going to stop there.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2015/...ry_package

Quote:"Our commissioner was pretty straightforward that we needed to, and could, do better in basketball," says Vanderbilt athletic director David Williams. "We as ADs had to come together and say 'Yeah, we could and we should so let's all sort of put egos aside for the betterment of trying to make basketball better.'"

Slive made his own move to rectify the situation by hiring Mark Whitworth as the SEC's basketball czar and Greg Shaheen, the former head of the NCAA tournament, as a scheduling consultant. Their charge: Help conference schools schedule smarter because the league's RPI and other metrics were only as strong as the weakest link.

Sure would be great if our commissioner showed a little leadership and did the same for the ACC in the primary money-making sport in college sports.

Anyone notice the "coincidence"of the timing of the sudden urgency to improve the basketball in the SEC? SEC Network anyone? Lol



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(06-01-2015 08:34 PM)dopeordogfood Wrote:  

(06-01-2015 07:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(06-01-2015 07:36 PM)nole Wrote:  The attempted argument that FSU shouldn't care about a new $10 million....soon to be $15-$20 million revenue gap because FSU has revenue difference in tix sales and contributions....well, that is hilarious.

That is reality....there are multiple streams of revenue to make up FSU's and others budget total. And it has ALWAYS been true FSU doesn't make as many as others.


But how that equals, FSU doesn't get to or won't worry about a new $10-$20 million gap with SEC peers.....well, that is pure nonsense.


FSU is concerned....VERY concerned and ANY school in the ACC that competes for national titles will be the same (or we will discover there are no other schools in the ACC serious about competing for national titles in football).

Football will be first, but it ain't going to stop there.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2015/...ry_package

Quote:"Our commissioner was pretty straightforward that we needed to, and could, do better in basketball," says Vanderbilt athletic director David Williams. "We as ADs had to come together and say 'Yeah, we could and we should so let's all sort of put egos aside for the betterment of trying to make basketball better.'"

Slive made his own move to rectify the situation by hiring Mark Whitworth as the SEC's basketball czar and Greg Shaheen, the former head of the NCAA tournament, as a scheduling consultant. Their charge: Help conference schools schedule smarter because the league's RPI and other metrics were only as strong as the weakest link.

Sure would be great if our commissioner showed a little leadership and did the same for the ACC in the primary money-making sport in college sports.

Anyone notice the "coincidence"of the timing of the sudden urgency to improve the basketball in the SEC? SEC Network anyone? Lol



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Pretty sure it had more to do with getting embarrassed by only getting three bids to the 2013 NCAA Tournament than any network concerns.

(06-01-2015 07:36 PM)nole Wrote:  The attempted argument that FSU shouldn't care about a new $10 million....soon to be $15-$20 million revenue gap because FSU has revenue difference in tix sales and contributions....well, that is hilarious.

That is reality....there are multiple streams of revenue to make up FSU's and others budget total. And it has ALWAYS been true FSU doesn't make as many as others.


But how that equals, FSU doesn't get to or won't worry about a new $10-$20 million gap with SEC peers.....well, that is pure nonsense.


FSU is concerned....VERY concerned and ANY school in the ACC that competes for national titles will be the same (or we will discover there are no other schools in the ACC serious about competing for national titles in football).

While I agree with your point, and the ACC is working on a network.... once that is up and the ACC Schools see $$ from that the point being made is that UF still gets $22M more per year than FSU in Contributions.... So for someone like yourself screaming about TV dollars it is interesting that you are not worried about the $22M .

Also please do not expect for an ACCN to make up for the lack of contributions that an ACC school receives....

Link
http://www.sportsdaynow.com/sec-network-...s-context/


2013-14
Univ of Florida
$22.9M ticket sales
$42.9M contributions
$39.4M rights and licensing
$2.4M student fees
$1.8M school funds
$14.9M "other"
_____________________
$124,611,305 total revenue

2013-14
FsU
$25.5M ticket sales
$22M contributions
$40M rights and licensing
$7.9 student fees
$0 school funds
$8.2M "other"
______________________
$104,774,424 total revenue

(06-01-2015 07:36 PM)nole Wrote:  The attempted argument that FSU shouldn't care about a new $10 million....soon to be $15-$20 million revenue gap because FSU has revenue difference in tix sales and contributions....well, that is hilarious.

That is reality....there are multiple streams of revenue to make up FSU's and others budget total. And it has ALWAYS been true FSU doesn't make as many as others.


But how that equals, FSU doesn't get to or won't worry about a new $10-$20 million gap with SEC peers.....well, that is pure nonsense.


FSU is concerned....VERY concerned and ANY school in the ACC that competes for national titles will be the same (or we will discover there are no other schools in the ACC serious about competing for national titles in football).

Nobody says they shouldn't care. Everyone needs to do what they need to do to increase ACC revenue. It matters greatly.

But FSU isn't going to fold up shop over it in the next few years. And there's nothing FSU can do today to change the dynamic. They can't just announce they are leaving the ACC...

This is what FSU can do...

1) Continue to maximize non-ACC revenue and use it efficiently. Somehow, despite much less revenue, FSU's facilities are now better than UF's. FSU needs to be smarter than it's SEC peers.

2) Use whatever leverage it has in the ACC to try to ensure the ACC makes financially appropriate decisions around a network and going into the next contract.

3) Continue to improve it's academic profile for the B1G

4) Wait and see if the changing dynamics away from cable change the business model around conference networks and the "new market" phenomenon which resulted in Missouri being more valuable to the SEC than Missouri last time around.

5) Continue to succeed on the football field.


That's all FSU can do, and they should do all of it. It's not like FSU in the ACC is like ND and independence, where they could change it overnight but won't. I get that it's cathartic to complain and express displeasure but you can only work with what you can work with.

(06-01-2015 07:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(06-01-2015 07:36 PM)nole Wrote:  The attempted argument that FSU shouldn't care about a new $10 million....soon to be $15-$20 million revenue gap because FSU has revenue difference in tix sales and contributions....well, that is hilarious.

That is reality....there are multiple streams of revenue to make up FSU's and others budget total. And it has ALWAYS been true FSU doesn't make as many as others.


But how that equals, FSU doesn't get to or won't worry about a new $10-$20 million gap with SEC peers.....well, that is pure nonsense.


FSU is concerned....VERY concerned and ANY school in the ACC that competes for national titles will be the same (or we will discover there are no other schools in the ACC serious about competing for national titles in football).

Football will be first, but it ain't going to stop there.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2015/...ry_package

Quote:"Our commissioner was pretty straightforward that we needed to, and could, do better in basketball," says Vanderbilt athletic director David Williams. "We as ADs had to come together and say 'Yeah, we could and we should so let's all sort of put egos aside for the betterment of trying to make basketball better.'"

Slive made his own move to rectify the situation by hiring Mark Whitworth as the SEC's basketball czar and Greg Shaheen, the former head of the NCAA tournament, as a scheduling consultant. Their charge: Help conference schools schedule smarter because the league's RPI and other metrics were only as strong as the weakest link.

Sure would be great if our commissioner showed a little leadership and did the same for the ACC in the primary money-making sport in college sports.

Absolutely, the ACC should be taking the same approach to football, and should have 10 years ago at least.

(06-02-2015 08:18 AM)Lou_C Wrote:  

(06-01-2015 07:36 PM)nole Wrote:  The attempted argument that FSU shouldn't care about a new $10 million....soon to be $15-$20 million revenue gap because FSU has revenue difference in tix sales and contributions....well, that is hilarious.

That is reality....there are multiple streams of revenue to make up FSU's and others budget total. And it has ALWAYS been true FSU doesn't make as many as others.


But how that equals, FSU doesn't get to or won't worry about a new $10-$20 million gap with SEC peers.....well, that is pure nonsense.


FSU is concerned....VERY concerned and ANY school in the ACC that competes for national titles will be the same (or we will discover there are no other schools in the ACC serious about competing for national titles in football).

Nobody says they shouldn't care. Everyone needs to do what they need to do to increase ACC revenue. It matters greatly.

But FSU isn't going to fold up shop over it in the next few years. And there's nothing FSU can do today to change the dynamic. They can't just announce they are leaving the ACC...

This is what FSU can do...

1) Continue to maximize non-ACC revenue and use it efficiently. Somehow, despite much less revenue, FSU's facilities are now better than UF's. FSU needs to be smarter than it's SEC peers.

2) Use whatever leverage it has in the ACC to try to ensure the ACC makes financially appropriate decisions around a network and going into the next contract.

3) Continue to improve it's academic profile for the B1G

4) Wait and see if the changing dynamics away from cable change the business model around conference networks and the "new market" phenomenon which resulted in Missouri being more valuable to the SEC than Missouri last time around.

5) Continue to succeed on the football field.


That's all FSU can do, and they should do all of it. It's not like FSU in the ACC is like ND and independence, where they could change it overnight but won't. I get that it's cathartic to complain and express displeasure but you can only work with what you can work with.

Money aside, would you really enjoy going to the B1G? Outside of money I can't think of any reason a long time southern power would want to go there. I have never really enjoyed that conference in any sport, and it seems like a terrible culture fit.