(05-26-2015 07:48 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  

(05-26-2015 06:53 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  We are wasting bandwidth because although all of the powers that be in the conference acknowledge that there is a problem with the divisions nobody except Clemson and Georgia Tech is willing to give anything up for the good of the conference to fix these issues. The other twelve schools are all clamoring for change, but they aren't willing to give up something for change to happen.

id give up a yearly matchup with pitt for a chance to play more games with other division more frequently

Then perhaps you need to convey that message to your administration. Last time I checked you don't pull for Clemson or Georgia Tech, and they are the ONLY schools willing to give up something that benefits them to benefit the conference.

(05-26-2015 08:10 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-26-2015 07:48 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  

(05-26-2015 06:53 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  We are wasting bandwidth because although all of the powers that be in the conference acknowledge that there is a problem with the divisions nobody except Clemson and Georgia Tech is willing to give anything up for the good of the conference to fix these issues. The other twelve schools are all clamoring for change, but they aren't willing to give up something for change to happen.

id give up a yearly matchup with pitt for a chance to play more games with other division more frequently

Then perhaps you need to convey that message to your administration. Last time I checked you don't pull for Clemson or Georgia Tech, and they are the ONLY schools willing to give up something that benefits them to benefit the conference.

we have no say in changes right now since we are going thru some changes at the top

(05-26-2015 08:12 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  

(05-26-2015 08:10 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-26-2015 07:48 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  

(05-26-2015 06:53 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  We are wasting bandwidth because although all of the powers that be in the conference acknowledge that there is a problem with the divisions nobody except Clemson and Georgia Tech is willing to give anything up for the good of the conference to fix these issues. The other twelve schools are all clamoring for change, but they aren't willing to give up something for change to happen.

id give up a yearly matchup with pitt for a chance to play more games with other division more frequently

Then perhaps you need to convey that message to your administration. Last time I checked you don't pull for Clemson or Georgia Tech, and they are the ONLY schools willing to give up something that benefits them to benefit the conference.

we have no say in changes right now since we are going thru some changes at the top

You are getting a new President/Chancellor? Didn't you just replace the current one?

What are GT and Clemson willing to give up?

(05-26-2015 08:10 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-26-2015 07:48 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  

(05-26-2015 06:53 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  We are wasting bandwidth because although all of the powers that be in the conference acknowledge that there is a problem with the divisions nobody except Clemson and Georgia Tech is willing to give anything up for the good of the conference to fix these issues. The other twelve schools are all clamoring for change, but they aren't willing to give up something for change to happen.

id give up a yearly matchup with pitt for a chance to play more games with other division more frequently

Then perhaps you need to convey that message to your administration. Last time I checked you don't pull for Clemson or Georgia Tech, and they are the ONLY schools willing to give up something that benefits them to benefit the conference.

What are you guys willing to give up?

And what does fsu even have to give up? Unless you are proposing dropping the rivalry that would mean most if the 2 teams were top level in the acc in fsu/Miami

Some good questions for our Clemson martyr. I truly wasn't aware that GT and Clemson are the only schools willing to sacrifice for the good of the league.

Clemson and Georgia Tech are willing to give up our annual game. As of the end of the latest ACC meetings they were the only schools willing to give up anything related to the schedule.

(05-26-2015 08:23 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-26-2015 08:12 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  

(05-26-2015 08:10 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-26-2015 07:48 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  

(05-26-2015 06:53 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  We are wasting bandwidth because although all of the powers that be in the conference acknowledge that there is a problem with the divisions nobody except Clemson and Georgia Tech is willing to give anything up for the good of the conference to fix these issues. The other twelve schools are all clamoring for change, but they aren't willing to give up something for change to happen.

id give up a yearly matchup with pitt for a chance to play more games with other division more frequently

Then perhaps you need to convey that message to your administration. Last time I checked you don't pull for Clemson or Georgia Tech, and they are the ONLY schools willing to give up something that benefits them to benefit the conference.

we have no say in changes right now since we are going thru some changes at the top

You are getting a new President/Chancellor? Didn't you just replace the current one?

New AD
ad search underway and sounds like other changes in athletic department

(05-26-2015 09:01 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  

(05-26-2015 08:23 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-26-2015 08:12 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  

(05-26-2015 08:10 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-26-2015 07:48 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  id give up a yearly matchup with pitt for a chance to play more games with other division more frequently

Then perhaps you need to convey that message to your administration. Last time I checked you don't pull for Clemson or Georgia Tech, and they are the ONLY schools willing to give up something that benefits them to benefit the conference.

we have no say in changes right now since we are going thru some changes at the top

You are getting a new President/Chancellor? Didn't you just replace the current one?

New AD
ad search underway and sounds like other changes in athletic department

Decisions are made above the AD level

(05-26-2015 07:48 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  

(05-26-2015 06:53 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  We are wasting bandwidth because although all of the powers that be in the conference acknowledge that there is a problem with the divisions nobody except Clemson and Georgia Tech is willing to give anything up for the good of the conference to fix these issues. The other twelve schools are all clamoring for change, but they aren't willing to give up something for change to happen.

id give up a yearly matchup with pitt for a chance to play more games with other division more frequently

Hey, we're the newbies. Not much for us to "sacrifice". But since playing northern schools seems to upset so many on this board, I bet we would be more than willing to play BC-Pitt-Louisville on an annual basis in a 3-5-5 model.

Cheers,
Neil

(05-26-2015 09:00 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Clemson and Georgia Tech are willing to give up our annual game. As of the end of the latest ACC meetings they were the only schools willing to give up anything related to the schedule.

Hmm, I must have missed that information that was released that detailed what all other 12 schools refuse to give up.

As a casual fan, I don't know who is in the Atlantic or Coastal without referring to the standings on ESPN or CBS websites. Without looking, I do know that Florida St. and Clemson are in the same division and that Georgia Tech, Duke, and UNC are in the other division. I would have to look to tell you where Virginia Tech, Miami, and Louisville stand.

May as well pull the names out of a hat.

Here's what I think the ACC ought to do:

First, have SCHEDULING pods as outlined above with: (1) the four SOUTH schools; (2) four NC schools; (3) 'Ville and the VA schools; and (4) the three Northern schools. So, UNC, Wake, and NC State play every year; FSU, GTech, Clemson, and Miami play every year; Louisville, Virginia, VA tech play every year; and BC, Cuse, and Pitt play every year.

Keep the VA/VILLE schools in the Coastal Division and the NORTH schools in the Atlantic Division. Always have two NC and two SOUTH teams in the Coastal and two NC and two SOUTH teams in the Atlantic - now rotate the SOUTH and NC teams through the Coastal and Atlantic divisions.

So, a SOUTH/NC team would play the six divisional games plus the two cross-divisional games against the other SOUTH/NC teams that are in the other division. You rotate the SOUTH and NC pods such that Florida St. and Clemson are only in the same division twice in four years.

The VA/VILLE pod would play the six divisional games (including two VA/VILLE games) plus two cross-divisional games rotating against the NORTH pod (play the three NORTH teams twice in three years). Same deal for the NORTH pod, just vice-versa.

This way, everyone in each of the pods play each other EVERY YEAR and you play everyone else in the conference at least twice in four years.

Example:

Year 1
ATLANTIC
FSU (South)
Clemson (South)
NC State (NC)
Wake (NC)
Louisville (Va/Ville)
Virginia (Va/Ville)
Virginia Tech (Va/Ville)

COASTAL
Georgia Tech (South)
Miami (South)
UNC (NC)
Duke (NC)
Boston College (North)
Syracuse (North)
Pittsburgh (North)

YEAR 2
ATLANTIC
Miami (South)
FSU (South)
Duke (NC)
NC State (NC)
Louisville (Va/Ville)
Virginia (Va/Ville)
Virginia Tech (Va/Ville)

COASTAL
Clemson (South)
Georgia Tech (South)
Wake (NC)
UNC (NC)
Boston College (North)
Syracuse (North)
Pittsburgh (North)

YEAR 3
ATLANTIC
Clemson (South)
Miami (South)
NC State (NC)
UNC (NC)
Louisville (Va/Ville)
Virginia (Va/Ville)
Virginia Tech (Va/Ville)

COASTAL
FSU (South)
Georgia Tech (South)
Wake (NC)
Duke (NC)
Boston College (North)
Syracuse (North)
Pittsburgh (North)

YEAR 4
ATLANTIC
Georgia Tech (South)
Clemson (South)
UNC (NC)
Duke (NC)
Louisville (Va/Ville)
Virginia (Va/Ville)
Virginia Tech (Va/Ville)

COASTAL
FSU (South)
Miami (South)
NC State (NC)
Wake (NC)
Boston College (North)
Syracuse (North)
Pittsburgh (North)

You'd have to review and tweak (or find the right sequence) to make sure that the SOUTH and NC teams play each other twice in four years and to balance home-road matchups, but you get the idea. This enables everyone to play each other often and ensures that the close, regional matchups happen every year. It also helps alleviate the FSU-Clemson dominance problem.

The mindset of the ACC is 'whoever has to give something up to increase the revenue of the conference.....should give something up'.


The ACC doesn't have the luxury to play fair........it is great that Clemson/Ga Tech are willing to 'give something up'.....but that is one of the few solid football matchup games for the ACC in hardcore football territory.....I HIGHLY doubt giving up that game is good for the ACC overall. I would say it is the opposite affect.


This isn't a battle over who gets what....it is a battle for what puts $$$ in the ACC's pocket. That comes down to what is best for football. What moves push certain teams to a level where the are actually competitive in football and allowing for the ACC to profit from that.


There are VERY few interesting TV matchups in the ACC. The few that exists....do not need to be 'given up'...that doesn't advance the ACC.


Frankly......Notre Dame playing Wake doesn't help the ACC......Notre Dame playing say Miami every year does. THAT is the type of logic I am speaking of.

Folks will get angry, but the financial reality of what the ACC is about to encounter demands the conference lose this fairness mindset and do what makes the ACC $$$$.

(05-26-2015 09:50 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(05-26-2015 09:00 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Clemson and Georgia Tech are willing to give up our annual game. As of the end of the latest ACC meetings they were the only schools willing to give up anything related to the schedule.

Hmm, I must have missed that information that was released that detailed what all other 12 schools refuse to give up.

There is no link as this sort of thing doesn't get out to the media, but my source is as good as it gets.

(05-27-2015 03:12 PM)nole Wrote:  The mindset of the ACC is 'whoever has to give something up to increase the revenue of the conference.....should give something up'.


The ACC doesn't have the luxury to play fair........it is great that Clemson/Ga Tech are willing to 'give something up'.....but that is one of the few solid football matchup games for the ACC in hardcore football territory.....I HIGHLY doubt giving up that game is good for the ACC overall. I would say it is the opposite affect.


This isn't a battle over who gets what....it is a battle for what puts $$$ in the ACC's pocket. That comes down to what is best for football. What moves push certain teams to a level where the are actually competitive in football and allowing for the ACC to profit from that.


There are VERY few interesting TV matchups in the ACC. The few that exists....do not need to be 'given up'...that doesn't advance the ACC.


Frankly......Notre Dame playing Wake doesn't help the ACC......Notre Dame playing say Miami every year does. THAT is the type of logic I am speaking of.

Folks will get angry, but the financial reality of what the ACC is about to encounter demands the conference lose this fairness mindset and do what makes the ACC $$$$.

I actually agree with most of what you wrote.

The ACC isn't going to get EVERY "interesting TV match-up" each and every year, but the conference as a whole should do everything it can to maximize them.

Cheers,
Neil

The obsession some of you have to pinch every penny possible is pretty funny.

(05-27-2015 06:24 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  The obsession some of you have to pinch every penny possible is pretty funny.

I don't care about pennies. I care about FSU having more good conference games and less bad. But that would obvi create more pennies for FSU, and the ACC. Which is a great side effect considering where things are headed.

(05-27-2015 03:34 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-26-2015 09:50 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(05-26-2015 09:00 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Clemson and Georgia Tech are willing to give up our annual game. As of the end of the latest ACC meetings they were the only schools willing to give up anything related to the schedule.

Hmm, I must have missed that information that was released that detailed what all other 12 schools refuse to give up.

There is no link as this sort of thing doesn't get out to the media, but my source is as good as it gets.

This can't be about scheduling cause we would ok about anything that would help the Conference.

Only thing I can think of that we would absolutely say no to is kicking someone out.

But others have before so I can't see them refusing now.

(05-27-2015 03:34 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-26-2015 09:50 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(05-26-2015 09:00 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Clemson and Georgia Tech are willing to give up our annual game. As of the end of the latest ACC meetings they were the only schools willing to give up anything related to the schedule.

Hmm, I must have missed that information that was released that detailed what all other 12 schools refuse to give up.

There is no link as this sort of thing doesn't get out to the media, but my source is as good as it gets.

I doubt you're hearing that from your president which means it's another baseless rumor making the rounds of Booster circuit.

reworking the divisions trying to get rid of having 7 guaranteed crossover games by reducing to 3 must keep (FSU-MIA, UNC-NC St, Duke-WAKE) while swapping Louisville and Georgia Tech solves a lot of problems , not sure if having 3 permanent cross over rivals while other 4 rotate with one another would be doable from a scheduling standpoint but its the best I could come up with while maintain some type of balance among the divisions


Atlantic--------------------------Coastal
Mia_______________________FSU
UNC______________________NC State
DUke_____________________Wake Forest
Pittsburgh-------------------------Boston College
Louisville--------------------------Syracuse
Virginia----------------------------Clemson
Virginia Tech----------------------Georgia Tech