(05-20-2015 02:20 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-20-2015 01:49 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  It is important to note that the US has implemented several environmentally friendly measures since 1979 as well.

Yes, and striving for cleaner air is a noble cause. We dont want China's air quality for sure.

However, environmentally friendly measures have almost no bearing on global temperatures.

So whereas I believe most of us dont mind "common sense" regulations, we dont need to wreck the economy implementing measures that will have no bearing whatsoever on global temperatures.

And there you go. Responsible balance, and our air, water, streams rivers and estuaries etc. are ALL far cleaner today than they were 40, 30, 20, even 10 years ago.

But no, to those that worship the "environment" as their religion and the others that are simply anarchist-minded anti-capitalists and redistributionista's, they MUST make it an impending DOOM!
A crisis, remember never let a good one go to waste, even if it is largely made up and far from anything "settled".

How many years, decades, have we been listening to this hysteria? Point to something that has gotten notably worse since then?

How long ago did Ted Danson tell us we would all be dead by 2010 or whenever it was?

Where's that dolt nowadays, anyway? N/M, don't care.

(05-20-2015 12:26 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  If there is no such thing as global warming, how did we get out of the last ice age?

The global climate fluctuates. The Earth goes back and forth between being a tropical sauna and a frozen ball of ice. Right now we're in a warm period, although not as warm as 100,000,000 years ago.

And this happened long before greedy capitalist pigs poisoned the planet.

Warmth is gooood.

(05-20-2015 06:56 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  Obama Blames Climate Change For Islamic State And Boko Haram…



I like when he makes stuff up to back up his BS claims.

Quote:President Obama on Wednesday used his commencement address to the U.S. Coast Guard Academy to lecture graduates on climate change, and said climate change has already contributed to several armed conflicts around the world that have led to involvement by the U.S. military.

“I understand climate change did not cause the conflicts we see around the world, yet what we also know is that severe drought helped to create the instability in Nigeria that was exploited by the terrorist group Boko Haram,” Obama said in his speech.

“It’s now believed that drought and crop failures and high food prices helped fuel the early unrest in Syria, which descended into civil war in the heart of the Middle East,” he added.

Obama spoke broadly to graduates for about 10 minutes, and drew applause at several points as he recounted some of the history of the Coast Guard and highlighted some of the graduates.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/articl...ign=buffer

Is this for real?

Seriously

(05-20-2015 11:50 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I like how to the Dems debt isn't one of those things that will imperil future generations.

If you ever get an answer from them let me know.

(05-20-2015 03:19 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(05-20-2015 12:21 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  1. Global warming is a fact. The debate is whether man is causing it.

That's not really the debate, but that is usually how it is framed. The debate is really whether or not man can stop it.

I'd like to refine this even further, because I think among most credible scientists (including most skeptics), anthropogenic contribution is generally accepted but the magnitude of future warming and its impact is where the big arguments occur. So far, little warming has occurred (or, if you'd rather, not enough to cause dire impacts) and linear increases don't look bad for a very long time. The only way to reach the alarmists' temperature projections require modeling that utilizes positive feedback effects. Those positive effects have not been seen - there is no empirical evidence they exist. So while I think "whether or not man can stop it" is part of the debate, it's also worth debating whether we should make drastic sacrifices to stop something that is still highly speculative.

***This is not an argument that nothing should be done. I grew up in Los Angeles with smog alerts and indoor recess. I want cleaner air and water too but I don't want to go bankrupt to get it tomorrow.

(05-20-2015 03:03 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-20-2015 03:00 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  The liberals are desperately still trying to cling to their Global Warming Religion aren't they?

But but but but but but but

C'mon man. Please try harder.

I, and most liberals I know, only agree that global warming is real. We just aren't all willing to say that it's all man-made and that man can stop it.

However, I know personally that I'm in favor of doing things that are smart for our planet. Geez, even the Bible commands us to do such!

See, if the problem were approached from such a measured POV, then some actual progress might be made. But carbon credits aren't a solution and green energy does not the potential to replace burning fossil fuels.

(05-21-2015 09:21 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(05-20-2015 03:03 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-20-2015 03:00 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  The liberals are desperately still trying to cling to their Global Warming Religion aren't they?

But but but but but but but

C'mon man. Please try harder.

I, and most liberals I know, only agree that global warming is real. We just aren't all willing to say that it's all man-made and that man can stop it.

However, I know personally that I'm in favor of doing things that are smart for our planet. Geez, even the Bible commands us to do such!

See, if the problem were approached from such a measured POV, then some actual progress might be made. But carbon credits aren't a solution and green energy does not the potential to replace burning fossil fuels.

Why are you bringing up things that Red isn't even mentioning. The reason why we can't have this discussion is precisely because when someone like me says Global Warming is real, you automatically believe that we want to force carbon credits and green energy down people's throats.

My philosophy has always been that cavemen did not get out of the stone age for lack of rocks. Therefore, we should not wait until we run out of oil before we start looking for alternative forms of energy. Especially if it hurts the environment. And we all know it does.

(05-21-2015 09:21 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(05-20-2015 03:03 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-20-2015 03:00 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  The liberals are desperately still trying to cling to their Global Warming Religion aren't they?

But but but but but but but

C'mon man. Please try harder.

I, and most liberals I know, only agree that global warming is real. We just aren't all willing to say that it's all man-made and that man can stop it.

However, I know personally that I'm in favor of doing things that are smart for our planet. Geez, even the Bible commands us to do such!

See, if the problem were approached from such a measured POV, then some actual progress might be made. But carbon credits aren't a solution and green energy does not the potential to replace burning fossil fuels.

How do you know that?

It's frustrating when statements like this are made. A certain doctor was good at this. Constantly saying that batteries will never be able to hold enough life.

Thank God investors and entrepreneurs don't give up so easily!

(05-21-2015 09:45 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-21-2015 09:21 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(05-20-2015 03:03 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-20-2015 03:00 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  The liberals are desperately still trying to cling to their Global Warming Religion aren't they?

But but but but but but but

C'mon man. Please try harder.

I, and most liberals I know, only agree that global warming is real. We just aren't all willing to say that it's all man-made and that man can stop it.

However, I know personally that I'm in favor of doing things that are smart for our planet. Geez, even the Bible commands us to do such!

See, if the problem were approached from such a measured POV, then some actual progress might be made. But carbon credits aren't a solution and green energy does not the potential to replace burning fossil fuels.

Why are you bringing up things that Red isn't even mentioning. The reason why we can't have this discussion is precisely because when someone like me says Global Warming is real, you automatically believe that we want to force carbon credits and green energy down people's throats.

My philosophy has always been that cavemen did not get out of the stone age for lack of rocks. Therefore, we should not wait until we run out of oil before we start looking for alternative forms of energy. Especially if it hurts the environment. And we all know it does.

I bring them up because there are those that do believe in such solutions even though you don't. We can go ahead and start looking at alternate forms of energy, but I don't think the serious commitment is there to make solar and wind realistic forms of power.

(05-21-2015 09:58 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-21-2015 09:21 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(05-20-2015 03:03 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-20-2015 03:00 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  The liberals are desperately still trying to cling to their Global Warming Religion aren't they?

But but but but but but but

C'mon man. Please try harder.

I, and most liberals I know, only agree that global warming is real. We just aren't all willing to say that it's all man-made and that man can stop it.

However, I know personally that I'm in favor of doing things that are smart for our planet. Geez, even the Bible commands us to do such!

See, if the problem were approached from such a measured POV, then some actual progress might be made. But carbon credits aren't a solution and green energy does not the potential to replace burning fossil fuels.

How do you know that?

It's frustrating when statements like this are made. A certain doctor was good at this. Constantly saying that batteries will never be able to hold enough life.

Thank God investors and entrepreneurs don't give up so easily!

You're right, I don't know that. I am only aware of what the laws of thermodynamics state with regard to deriving energy form heat engines.