(05-15-2015 09:12 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  

(05-15-2015 09:09 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  WOW ECU & Cincy..... That would be great for the BIG12

Right, that would put them ahead of the sec

Someone gets it

(05-15-2015 02:01 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  I just don't see this happening (much as I'd like to, i need the AAC to open up spots for Northern Illinois) but I've been wrong before...

Don't you think the AAC would look at Buffalo first before NIU?

NY has a larger population than IL.

Buffalo would have regional chemistry with UConn and Temple.

Buffalo is an AAU school and has 29,850 students and a 624.8 million endowment.

NIU has 21,138 students and a 70.7 million endowment.

(05-15-2015 11:48 AM)VirginiaPirate Wrote:  Interesting recent thread about B12 expansion on a Cleveland Browns site about the rumor of Cincy and ECU to the B12 Conference with 1 month. Anyone hearing any confirmation of this is the realignment-sphere?

http://cle.scout.com/forums/4409-the-wat...7312?s=149

I'm sure most of you are Buckeye fans but Cincy an ECU to B12
05/06/2015

Just heard from a good friend an someone who works in WVU atheletic office. That we can expect Cincy an ECU to be added to the Big 12 within the next month. Both schools taking a huge revenue cut to play with the big boys. The other 10 teams are to remain at 30 million a piece. Finally we get some regional opponents. THANK GOD Hail WV!

Lets Go Mountaineers!

Sorry, you lost me at the bolded portion above. You may want to research their media contracts prior to posting next time.

(05-16-2015 09:15 AM)USFRamenu Wrote:  

(05-15-2015 11:48 AM)VirginiaPirate Wrote:  Interesting recent thread about B12 expansion on a Cleveland Browns site about the rumor of Cincy and ECU to the B12 Conference with 1 month. Anyone hearing any confirmation of this is the realignment-sphere?

http://cle.scout.com/forums/4409-the-wat...7312?s=149

I'm sure most of you are Buckeye fans but Cincy an ECU to B12
05/06/2015

Just heard from a good friend an someone who works in WVU atheletic office. That we can expect Cincy an ECU to be added to the Big 12 within the next month. Both schools taking a huge revenue cut to play with the big boys. The other 10 teams are to remain at 30 million a piece. Finally we get some regional opponents. THANK GOD Hail WV!

Lets Go Mountaineers!

Sorry, you lost me at the bolded portion above. You may want to research their media contracts prior to posting next time.

The 'Eer fans have to most energetic realignment fans out there...they had constructed all sorts of ACC disaster scenarios out there...it all came crashing down when the GoR came out to light.

(05-16-2015 08:49 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(05-15-2015 02:01 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  I just don't see this happening (much as I'd like to, i need the AAC to open up spots for Northern Illinois) but I've been wrong before...

Don't you think the AAC would look at Buffalo first before NIU?

NY has a larger population than IL.

Buffalo would have regional chemistry with UConn and Temple.

Buffalo is an AAU school and has 29,850 students and a 624.8 million endowment.

NIU has 21,138 students and a 70.7 million endowment.

Buffalo doesn't have the success in athletics NIU does and why would the AAC grab another NY market school when they could get a foothold in the Midwest with the Chicago market

(05-15-2015 01:48 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(05-15-2015 01:34 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  I have said before that:
1-ECU "looks" like a B12 school,
2-ECU makes sense for WVU and that WVU would advocate for ECU,
3-I could see ECU along with some sort of UC combo for the B12.

BUT...
The B12 is NOT expanding and most certainly NOT with UC. They have been pretty candid about both items. UC has been vetted by the Big XII and has been repeatedly rejected. They don't want UC...yesterday, today, or tomorrow. UC fans had better learn to accept this simple fact.

I think that ECU only looks like a B12 school with respect to football. In every other respect, athletically speaking, it falls short. For all those "other respects", ECU's location would get old fast for their B12 mates. If ECU were to agree to be a football only add, would somebody like Cincy agree to do the same for balance? Can a school be a football only add under current NCAA conference realignment rules? Would the B12 be OK with not being balanced?

I disagree with this ONLY in the sense that I think ECU's baseball program would be a benefit to the Big 12.

However, it's just not going to happen.

They are also saying U. Mass., U. Conn., UCF and USF to the Big 12. What happened to memphis since they were a front runner and the CEO of Fed Ex is offering a reward for a conference to take them. That would be more money to add Memphis. Maybe he needs to raise the offer even more?

(05-16-2015 08:49 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(05-15-2015 02:01 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  I just don't see this happening (much as I'd like to, i need the AAC to open up spots for Northern Illinois) but I've been wrong before...

Don't you think the AAC would look at Buffalo first before NIU?

NY has a larger population than IL.

Buffalo would have regional chemistry with UConn and Temple.

Buffalo is an AAU school and has 29,850 students and a 624.8 million endowment.

NIU has 21,138 students and a 70.7 million endowment.

I'm not touting NIU, because I don't think they fit anywhere but where they are. But Buffalo? New York may have a lot of people, but few of them identify with Buffalo. Maybe 10%. As a Great Lakes city, they have no regional affinity or chemistry with UConn or Temple. UConn is more than 400 miles away and is a New England school. Temple is 380 miles away. Buffalo has more regional affinity to Ontario and Cleveland than either of these two.

(05-15-2015 08:57 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(05-15-2015 01:34 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  I have said before that:
1-ECU "looks" like a B12 school,
2-ECU makes sense for WVU and that WVU would advocate for ECU,
3-I could see ECU along with some sort of UC combo for the B12.

BUT...
The B12 is NOT expanding and most certainly NOT with UC. They have been pretty candid about both items. UC has been vetted by the Big XII and has been repeatedly rejected. They don't want UC...yesterday, today, or tomorrow. UC fans had better learn to accept this simple fact.

link, sure the Big 12 has repeatedly said they are not expanding, but when has it specifically mentioned Cincinnati as a nonstarter?

Strange you never mentioned this on the UC board Jerry? What are your sources for this?

(05-15-2015 11:54 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  I think it's wishful thinking to include ECU in those thoughts... Cincy has a case, ECU has... nice weather this time of year?

ECU has fans in the stands and could, with Big XII inclusion, ramp up to be at 60K or more for a given game.

ECU is similar to Virginia Tech, with their potential.

Anytime I see this type of odd realignment, I think the schools that can make the most impact to the Big XII will be Connecticut, Cincinnati, East Carolina, Memphis, UCF, and South Florida. All are big schools with athletic support and opportunity.

There are lots of reasons for this but West Virginia paid to be on an island and for a guaranteed spot at the table. All of the American schools would pay to be at that table, too.

For ECU, it is a shame Terry Holland was forced out at Athletic Director. Our current Athletic Director may not have the experience and respect for this type of work.

(05-16-2015 01:45 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(05-15-2015 08:57 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(05-15-2015 01:34 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  I have said before that:
1-ECU "looks" like a B12 school,
2-ECU makes sense for WVU and that WVU would advocate for ECU,
3-I could see ECU along with some sort of UC combo for the B12.

BUT...
The B12 is NOT expanding and most certainly NOT with UC. They have been pretty candid about both items. UC has been vetted by the Big XII and has been repeatedly rejected. They don't want UC...yesterday, today, or tomorrow. UC fans had better learn to accept this simple fact.

link, sure the Big 12 has repeatedly said they are not expanding, but when has it specifically mentioned Cincinnati as a nonstarter?

Strange you never mentioned this on the UC board Jerry? What are your sources for this?

In fact I have said this on the UC board. I don't put much on the AAC board.

FWIW, I hope I am wrong. I live in Morgantown and know several people in and around the WVU administration who have told me that UC was evaluated extensively during the period the B12 was losing Mizzou, Colorado, and A&M (2011-12) and again later during 2014-15. Texas, in particular, has put their foot down and said that UC does not fit the B12 mindset and that they will not, under any circumstance, be in a conference with UC. Oklahoma is of this opinion as well. They see UC as a jumped up "city college" with no meaningful football pedigree. WVU, FWIW, does not favor UC, because they, in part, see UC as part of the movement which killed the BE...WVU views UC and USF as somewhat unworthy gate-crashers. (WVU does favor Louisville, however.)

I think all these opinions are WRONG, but they are what they are. I think UC fans just have to be realistic when it comes to the B12. In the same way WVU fans have to be realistic about the ACC.

(05-16-2015 02:13 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(05-16-2015 01:45 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(05-15-2015 08:57 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(05-15-2015 01:34 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  I have said before that:
1-ECU "looks" like a B12 school,
2-ECU makes sense for WVU and that WVU would advocate for ECU,
3-I could see ECU along with some sort of UC combo for the B12.

BUT...
The B12 is NOT expanding and most certainly NOT with UC. They have been pretty candid about both items. UC has been vetted by the Big XII and has been repeatedly rejected. They don't want UC...yesterday, today, or tomorrow. UC fans had better learn to accept this simple fact.

link, sure the Big 12 has repeatedly said they are not expanding, but when has it specifically mentioned Cincinnati as a nonstarter?

Strange you never mentioned this on the UC board Jerry? What are your sources for this?

In fact I have said this on the UC board. I don't put much on the AAC board.

FWIW, I hope I am wrong. I live in Morgantown and know several people in and around the WVU administration who have told me that UC was evaluated extensively during the period the B12 was losing Mizzou, Colorado, and A&M (2011-12) and again later during 2014-15. Texas, in particular, has put their foot down and said that UC does not fit the B12 mindset and that they will not, under any circumstance, be in a conference with UC. Oklahoma is of this opinion as well. They see UC as a jumped up "city college" with no meaningful football pedigree. WVU, FWIW, does not favor UC, because they, in part, see UC as part of the movement which killed the BE...WVU views UC and USF as somewhat unworthy gate-crashers. (WVU does favor Louisville, however.)

I think all these opinions are WRONG, but they are what they are. I think UC fans just have to be realistic when it comes to the B12. In the same way WVU fans have to be realistic about the ACC.

For what little it's worth, I believe that UC and Navy are better fits for the ACC as a pair. They complete the bridge to Notre Dame and remove the island from UofL as well.

The parings for the Big 12 would be easier to explain as, UCF + South Florida, ECU + Memphis and lastly, UConn + UMass. This provides each with travel partners and Memphis acts as a bridge from the east to the west while ECU is a bridge for the eastern schools from Florida to New England.

Anyway, that's just my take on what's been posted here.

(05-16-2015 02:13 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(05-16-2015 01:45 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(05-15-2015 08:57 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(05-15-2015 01:34 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  I have said before that:
1-ECU "looks" like a B12 school,
2-ECU makes sense for WVU and that WVU would advocate for ECU,
3-I could see ECU along with some sort of UC combo for the B12.

BUT...
The B12 is NOT expanding and most certainly NOT with UC. They have been pretty candid about both items. UC has been vetted by the Big XII and has been repeatedly rejected. They don't want UC...yesterday, today, or tomorrow. UC fans had better learn to accept this simple fact.

link, sure the Big 12 has repeatedly said they are not expanding, but when has it specifically mentioned Cincinnati as a nonstarter?

Strange you never mentioned this on the UC board Jerry? What are your sources for this?

In fact I have said this on the UC board. I don't put much on the AAC board.

FWIW, I hope I am wrong. I live in Morgantown and know several people in and around the WVU administration who have told me that UC was evaluated extensively during the period the B12 was losing Mizzou, Colorado, and A&M (2011-12) and again later during 2014-15. Texas, in particular, has put their foot down and said that UC does not fit the B12 mindset and that they will not, under any circumstance, be in a conference with UC. Oklahoma is of this opinion as well. They see UC as a jumped up "city college" with no meaningful football pedigree. WVU, FWIW, does not favor UC, because they, in part, see UC as part of the movement which killed the BE...WVU views UC and USF as somewhat unworthy gate-crashers. (WVU does favor Louisville, however.)

I think all these opinions are WRONG, but they are what they are. I think UC fans just have to be realistic when it comes to the B12. In the same way WVU fans have to be realistic about the ACC.

This makes absolutely zero sense. I understand that west virginia has a steonger football brand, but with all the ugly that accompanies that school, it makes no sense to take a hard stand against cincy. The fact that their fan base is full of idiots and they are below uc in all academic areas and the whole state population is not much more than the cincy dayton metros. Yeah i need a link.

Believe it or not, the Big XII has experience in dealing with crazy (not fanatical) fanbases with Texas Tech, and to a lesser degree Kansas State. Tech's fans are every bit as "ugly" as the Mountaineer fans can be on a bad day. So WVU's reputation was easier to assimilate in the B12.

(05-16-2015 07:03 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Believe it or not, the Big XII has experience in dealing with crazy (not fanatical) fanbases with Texas Tech, and to a lesser degree Kansas State. Tech's fans are every bit as "ugly" as the Mountaineer fans can be on a bad day. So WVU's reputation was easier to assimilate in the B12.

Just stop, this nonsense is getting old. Lots of schools would love to have the passion that Tech and West Virginia have.

(05-16-2015 02:13 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(05-16-2015 01:45 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(05-15-2015 08:57 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(05-15-2015 01:34 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  I have said before that:
1-ECU "looks" like a B12 school,
2-ECU makes sense for WVU and that WVU would advocate for ECU,
3-I could see ECU along with some sort of UC combo for the B12.

BUT...
The B12 is NOT expanding and most certainly NOT with UC. They have been pretty candid about both items. UC has been vetted by the Big XII and has been repeatedly rejected. They don't want UC...yesterday, today, or tomorrow. UC fans had better learn to accept this simple fact.

link, sure the Big 12 has repeatedly said they are not expanding, but when has it specifically mentioned Cincinnati as a nonstarter?

Strange you never mentioned this on the UC board Jerry? What are your sources for this?

In fact I have said this on the UC board. I don't put much on the AAC board.

FWIW, I hope I am wrong. I live in Morgantown and know several people in and around the WVU administration who have told me that UC was evaluated extensively during the period the B12 was losing Mizzou, Colorado, and A&M (2011-12) and again later during 2014-15. Texas, in particular, has put their foot down and said that UC does not fit the B12 mindset and that they will not, under any circumstance, be in a conference with UC. Oklahoma is of this opinion as well. They see UC as a jumped up "city college" with no meaningful football pedigree. WVU, FWIW, does not favor UC, because they, in part, see UC as part of the movement which killed the BE...WVU views UC and USF as somewhat unworthy gate-crashers. (WVU does favor Louisville, however.)

I think all these opinions are WRONG, but they are what they are. I think UC fans just have to be realistic when it comes to the B12. In the same way WVU fans have to be realistic about the ACC.

Oh, OK, thank goodness the people you are getting this from are in no way the decision makers when it comes to this kind of thing. Killed the Big East? How? By accepting the invitation to join? Texas and Oklahoma in open rebellion if lowly UC was ever daned an invitation? Utter and complete nonsense, wonder if they told Ono that in all the meetings he has had with them. Basically you know nothing of any substance nor have you spoken to anyone who's opinion matters, but thanks for the response.

(05-17-2015 01:36 AM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(05-16-2015 02:13 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(05-16-2015 01:45 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(05-15-2015 08:57 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(05-15-2015 01:34 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  I have said before that:
1-ECU "looks" like a B12 school,
2-ECU makes sense for WVU and that WVU would advocate for ECU,
3-I could see ECU along with some sort of UC combo for the B12.

BUT...
The B12 is NOT expanding and most certainly NOT with UC. They have been pretty candid about both items. UC has been vetted by the Big XII and has been repeatedly rejected. They don't want UC...yesterday, today, or tomorrow. UC fans had better learn to accept this simple fact.

link, sure the Big 12 has repeatedly said they are not expanding, but when has it specifically mentioned Cincinnati as a nonstarter?

Strange you never mentioned this on the UC board Jerry? What are your sources for this?

In fact I have said this on the UC board. I don't put much on the AAC board.

FWIW, I hope I am wrong. I live in Morgantown and know several people in and around the WVU administration who have told me that UC was evaluated extensively during the period the B12 was losing Mizzou, Colorado, and A&M (2011-12) and again later during 2014-15. Texas, in particular, has put their foot down and said that UC does not fit the B12 mindset and that they will not, under any circumstance, be in a conference with UC. Oklahoma is of this opinion as well. They see UC as a jumped up "city college" with no meaningful football pedigree. WVU, FWIW, does not favor UC, because they, in part, see UC as part of the movement which killed the BE...WVU views UC and USF as somewhat unworthy gate-crashers. (WVU does favor Louisville, however.)

I think all these opinions are WRONG, but they are what they are. I think UC fans just have to be realistic when it comes to the B12. In the same way WVU fans have to be realistic about the ACC.

Oh, OK, thank goodness the people you are getting this from are in no way the decision makers when it comes to this kind of thing. Killed the Big East? How? By accepting the invitation to join? Texas and Oklahoma in open rebellion if lowly UC was ever daned an invitation? Utter and complete nonsense, wonder if they told Ono that in all the meetings he has had with them. Basically you know nothing of any substance nor have you spoken to anyone who's opinion matters, but thanks for the response.

I feel for G5 fans who listen to morons like the dude etc.

Outside of Utah and TCU, no G5 school has made the leap. Sadly, I don't see a Utah or TCU on the horizon to help P5 conferences.

Is thread a joke? Who posted it?

(05-16-2015 07:14 PM)RaiderRed Wrote:  

(05-16-2015 07:03 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Believe it or not, the Big XII has experience in dealing with crazy (not fanatical) fanbases with Texas Tech, and to a lesser degree Kansas State. Tech's fans are every bit as "ugly" as the Mountaineer fans can be on a bad day. So WVU's reputation was easier to assimilate in the B12.

Just stop, this nonsense is getting old. Lots of schools would love to have the passion that Tech and West Virginia have.

Nobody in the B12 thinks WVU has ugly fans. They love coming to West Virginia.

Do you know why? Because they don't come to Morgantown expecting to have a bad time, and they don't spend their time at WVU making sure a bad time happens either. If only most eastern college football fans were the same.