(05-13-2015 11:31 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  

(05-13-2015 09:01 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I haven't been to a service in a long while--since my mother could last force me to go. I've never stopped believing, and I go to bible study, but I never enjoyed going to a single service.

Many people share this viewpoint.

Personally, I enjoy my service (Mass). Very much.

Much of the experience has to do with your disposition and openness before walking in the door.

Me too. It's really about your mindset when you walk in the door. If you are distracted by other thoughts or are only going out of obligation, you are missing out.
You really do get out of it what you put in.

(05-13-2015 01:30 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

Hahahaha that's hilarious. Picking and choosing a version of the bible which suits your bigotted viewpoints.

Here's the KJV version, not some backwoods international or "american" version:

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

Now tell me, what kind of mental gymnastics does one have to do to automatically assume that the bolded sentence MUST mean homosexuality? Are all homosexuals effeminate, throughout all time? That seems really stereotypical, and requires quite a leap to conclusion to assume that a book that is hugely hugely hugely misogynistic to take the negative connotation of the term "effeminate" to automatically mean homosexual. (assuming of course that this translation is even correct). I think it much more likely that the speaker was saying that men, not women, will inherit the earth.

More importantly, why in the world do you care? I don't see you (not you, but the group of people that consistently share your opinion) flipping a **** over gamblers or smokers or other so-called "sinners". They are not destroying the sanctity of marriage in the slightest, and that's not even the case because i'm sure that you don't get so worked up over divorce which is, by definition, destroying the sanctity of marriage.

Is it because you think it's icky? Congratulations, so do I. I could never see myself doing that, but then again, it doesn't bother me, and certainly doesn't give me the right to limit the freedoms of another human being, AND IT DEFINITELY does not give me the right to reduce the entirety of a relationship between two people to how they choose to spend their private time.

TL;DR Don't cherry pick the bible to suit your bronze age ideals.

FWIW, every effeminate guy I knew from HS turned out to be queer.

(05-14-2015 02:11 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  FWIW, every effeminate guy I knew from HS turned out to be queer.

(05-14-2015 02:11 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  FWIW, every effeminate guy I knew from HS turned out to be queer.

Haha ya same here, but would you call "butch" girls effeminate? What about Michael Sam? He doesn't look effeminate to me.

I know it was tongue in cheek, though. I laughed.

(05-14-2015 02:20 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 02:11 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  FWIW, every effeminate guy I knew from HS turned out to be queer.

Haha ya same here, but would you call "butch" girls effeminate? What about Michael Sam? He doesn't look effeminate to me.

I know it was tongue in cheek, though. I laughed.

All effeminate men are queer but not all queers are effiminate?

(05-14-2015 02:25 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 02:20 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 02:11 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  FWIW, every effeminate guy I knew from HS turned out to be queer.

Haha ya same here, but would you call "butch" girls effeminate? What about Michael Sam? He doesn't look effeminate to me.

I know it was tongue in cheek, though. I laughed.

All effeminate men are queer but not all queers are effiminate?

I wouldn't even say that is the case either. I've met some extremely effeminate men who I was certain were gay, turn out to be some of the most straight, frat guy type I've ever met. Stereotypes exist for a reason, but if you assume it's true 100% eventually you'll end up with eggon your face like I did

I know some effeminine men that are straight. I have noticed a lot of wealthy men are effeminine and essentric. When you have money to piss away, you tend to get into weird schit like expensive wine, extreme fashion, art collection, and interior decorating. As for Michael Sam (and the guy with the schit on his face), any doubt who pitches and who catches?

(05-14-2015 01:25 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(05-13-2015 01:30 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

Hahahaha that's hilarious. Picking and choosing a version of the bible which suits your bigotted viewpoints.

Here's the KJV version, not some backwoods international or "american" version:

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

Now tell me, what kind of mental gymnastics does one have to do to automatically assume that the bolded sentence MUST mean homosexuality? Are all homosexuals effeminate, throughout all time? That seems really stereotypical, and requires quite a leap to conclusion to assume that a book that is hugely hugely hugely misogynistic to take the negative connotation of the term "effeminate" to automatically mean homosexual. (assuming of course that this translation is even correct). I think it much more likely that the speaker was saying that men, not women, will inherit the earth.

More importantly, why in the world do you care? I don't see you (not you, but the group of people that consistently share your opinion) flipping a **** over gamblers or smokers or other so-called "sinners". They are not destroying the sanctity of marriage in the slightest, and that's not even the case because i'm sure that you don't get so worked up over divorce which is, by definition, destroying the sanctity of marriage.

Is it because you think it's icky? Congratulations, so do I. I could never see myself doing that, but then again, it doesn't bother me, and certainly doesn't give me the right to limit the freedoms of another human being, AND IT DEFINITELY does not give me the right to reduce the entirety of a relationship between two people to how they choose to spend their private time.

TL;DR Don't cherry pick the bible to suit your bronze age ideals.

What a clown post. No one spoke of anyone's "rights" but you. The laws of this nation had ZERO to do with my post or what is written in the Word. I made no comment on what the laws should be in our nation. The discussion was about what is in the BIBLE, not what our laws are. When someone claims the bible teaches homosexuality is not a sin or sexual immorality, your darn right I'm going to speak up and correct those lies.

The scripture is from the New King James, one of the closest translations to the KJV on the planet.

There are half a dozen dozen scriptures in the old and new Testament telling us what sexual immorality is.

Homosexuals will not inherit the Kingdom of God without asking forgiveness and turning away from homosexuality.

Your incredible stupid post tries to argue that sodomites, thieves, liars, adulterers ect all go to hell but homosexuals are just fine.

I suppose next you will argue that Sodom and Gomorrah were not destroyed because of sexual immorality.

(05-14-2015 04:01 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 01:25 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(05-13-2015 01:30 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

Hahahaha that's hilarious. Picking and choosing a version of the bible which suits your bigotted viewpoints.

Here's the KJV version, not some backwoods international or "american" version:

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

Now tell me, what kind of mental gymnastics does one have to do to automatically assume that the bolded sentence MUST mean homosexuality? Are all homosexuals effeminate, throughout all time? That seems really stereotypical, and requires quite a leap to conclusion to assume that a book that is hugely hugely hugely misogynistic to take the negative connotation of the term "effeminate" to automatically mean homosexual. (assuming of course that this translation is even correct). I think it much more likely that the speaker was saying that men, not women, will inherit the earth.

More importantly, why in the world do you care? I don't see you (not you, but the group of people that consistently share your opinion) flipping a **** over gamblers or smokers or other so-called "sinners". They are not destroying the sanctity of marriage in the slightest, and that's not even the case because i'm sure that you don't get so worked up over divorce which is, by definition, destroying the sanctity of marriage.

Is it because you think it's icky? Congratulations, so do I. I could never see myself doing that, but then again, it doesn't bother me, and certainly doesn't give me the right to limit the freedoms of another human being, AND IT DEFINITELY does not give me the right to reduce the entirety of a relationship between two people to how they choose to spend their private time.

TL;DR Don't cherry pick the bible to suit your bronze age ideals.

What a clown post. No one spoke of anyone's "rights" but you. The laws of this nation had ZERO to do with my post or what is written in the Word. The scripture is from the New King James, one of the closest translations to the KJV on the planet.

Who cares how close that translation is to the KJV when I posted the actual KJV scripture? And that doesn't change the fact that you specifically sought out a version which supported your opinion, regardless of the validity of the translation. Then again, we're still talking about the Bible, which doesn't have any merit to determine anything in modern times.

There are several dozen scriptures in the old and new Testament telling us homosexual sex is sexual immorality.

And each and every one of them is a biased translation supporting exactly what the translator wanted to see

Homosexuals will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

Oh man, that hurts. At least I'll get a chance to win the Tri-Wizard cup this year. You can't participate. Muggles aren't allowed. Sorry.

Your incredible stupid post tries to argue that sodomites, thieves, liars, adulterers ect all go to hell but homosexuals are just fine.

Homosexual people are still people. And in fact, your assumption that they are equivalent to sodomites (a word that is exclusively used in biblical context btw), thieves, liars, adulterers is abhorrent.

I suppose next you will argue that Sodom and Gomorrah were not destroyed because of sexual immorality.

I'm sure it did. Just like Haiti got leveled by earthquakes because of the gays. Get real.

(05-14-2015 04:21 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  Who cares how close that translation is to the KJV when I posted the actual KJV scripture? And that doesn't change the fact that you specifically sought out a version which supported your opinion, regardless of the validity of the translation. Then again, we're still talking about the Bible, which doesn't have any merit to determine anything in modern times.

No matter how hard you try to play spin doctor, the Word of God is CLEAR on homosexuality being a sin. You can read this in multiple places in the King James Bible. Some scriptures even break it all the way down to female on female and male on male sex, just so people like you cannot twist or device people about what is written.

(05-14-2015 04:21 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  Homosexual people are still people. And in fact, your assumption that they are equivalent to sodomites (a word that is exclusively used in biblical context btw), thieves, liars, adulterers is abhorrent.

No one said anything about them not being people or humans. Sinners are sinners.

Homosexuals are not committing the gravest sin of all, they are committing sexual immorality, which the Word of God tells us will keep them from inheriting the Kingdom of God. Just as will adulterers, fornicators (which homosexuals are) liars, thieves, ect.

All Homosexuals can ask forgiveness, turn from homosexuality and inherit in the Eternal Kingdom.


Leviticus 18:22-23 KING JAMES BIBLE
22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.

Romans 1:26-27 KING JAMES BIBLE
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

John 3:16 KING JAMES BIBLE
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Dude. Join us in the 21st century. We'd love to have you.

(05-14-2015 04:55 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  Dude. Join us in the 21st century. We'd love to have you.

Dude, join us in the next 100 billion trillion centuries in the body of Christ and live forever in peace, joy and love.

We would LOVE to have you.

True followers of Christ love ALL, including sinners. There is peace and love and eternal life here. Just accept His FREE gift.

(05-14-2015 04:57 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 04:55 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  Dude. Join us in the 21st century. We'd love to have you.

Dude, join us in the body of Christ and live forever in peace, joy and love.

We would LOVE to have you.

True followers of Christ love ALL, including sinners. There is peace and love and eternal life here. Just accept His FREE gift.

I was raised in a Christian family. I've deliberately renounced it because there's not one single shred of evidence or reason to believe in christianity over islam or hinduism or buddhism or hellenism or any of the other thousands of religions that mankind has conceived in it's blink of an existence.

I digress. I truly wish you happiness in your endeavour and would never ask you to change anything you are doing.

I only ask that you don't become the persecutor. Christians should know about persecution, right? If being gay is a sin, then treat it as you would any other sinner (yourself included, according to you) and don't actively work to take away the rights of living breathing people.

(05-14-2015 05:06 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  I was raised in a Christian family. I've deliberately renounced it because there's not one single shred of evidence or reason to believe in christianity over islam or hinduism or buddhism or hellenism or any of the other thousands of religions that mankind has conceived in it's blink of an existence.

I digress. I truly wish you happiness in your endeavour and would never ask you to change anything you are doing.

I only ask that you don't become the persecutor. Christians should know about persecution, right? If being gay is a sin, then treat it as you would any other sinner (yourself included, according to you) and don't actively work to take away the rights of living breathing people.

And I would ask that you do not falsely accuse others of hatred or persecution just because you don't agree with their religious beliefs.

The only thing that was discussed here was what the Word of God says about sexual immorality.

Nothing I said here had anything to do with hatred or persecution. But you clearly tried really hard to paint a blatantly false picture of me as a hater and a persecuter.

No one but YOU said anything about taking anyone rights here away. For you to even go there in this context is just absurd and dishonest.

(05-14-2015 05:12 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 05:06 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  I was raised in a Christian family. I've deliberately renounced it because there's not one single shred of evidence or reason to believe in christianity over islam or hinduism or buddhism or hellenism or any of the other thousands of religions that mankind has conceived in it's blink of an existence.

I digress. I truly wish you happiness in your endeavour and would never ask you to change anything you are doing.

I only ask that you don't become the persecutor. Christians should know about persecution, right? If being gay is a sin, then treat it as you would any other sinner (yourself included, according to you) and don't actively work to take away the rights of living breathing people.

And I would ask that you do not falsely accuse others of hatred or persecution just because you don't agree with their religious beliefs.

The only thing that was discussed here was what the Word of God says about sexual immorality.

Nothing I said here had anything to do with hatred or persecution. But you clearly tried really hard to paint a blatantly false picture of me as a hater and a persecuter.

No one but YOU said anything about taking anyone rights here away. For you to even go there in this context is just absurd and dishonest.

Excuse me for recognizing the same exact arguments that those who would seek to limit the rights of these people use. My pattern recognition must be off.

(05-14-2015 05:17 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  Excuse me for recognizing the same exact arguments that those who would seek to limit the rights of these people use. My pattern recognition must be off.

Your logic is simply skewed due to emotional overreactions and conveniently bigoted assumptions.

Discussing scripture on sexual immorality has NOTHING to do with discrimination or hatred, and NOTHING I posted said anything even close to that nonsense.

You know this, I know this, anyone reading this knows it.

(05-14-2015 05:06 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  I only ask that you don't become the persecutor. Christians should know about persecution, right? If being gay is a sin, then treat it as you would any other sinner (yourself included, according to you) and don't actively work to take away the rights of living breathing people.

That's fair. The problem is that Christians are not being forced to bake "adulterer pride" cakes and being told they need to celebrate alcoholism nor our kids being told in schools "being a thief is a great way to live".

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(05-14-2015 10:03 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

FTFY