Kubitza was the Tigers' minor league pitcher of the year last year, so it appears he survived his Rice career (though as we saw years ago with Kenny, the Tigers can screw a pitcher up.) By including him KL just shows his lack of intellectual honesty (or any other kind of honesty too while I am at it.)

Law is an arrogant jerk. I remember back in 2006 when the Cards played the Tigers in the WS and he thought it was a travesty. Of course, he didn't have much to say when the Cards won in five games. That team of course won 104 games in 04 and played the Astros in the 2005 NLCS. Law has also stiffed Adam Wainwright several times in Cy Young voting using his stathead biases. He strikes me as one of those folks who always wants to be the smartest person in the room. But no one has ever hired him to be a GM.

As for his criticism of the OG, Wayne really ruined Roger Clemens, didn't he?

He so overworked Andy Pettit he sent his son to pitch for him!

(05-14-2015 05:19 PM)austinowl73 Wrote:  Kubitza was the Tigers' minor league pitcher of the year last year, so it appears he survived his Rice career (though as we saw years ago with Kenny, the Tigers can screw a pitcher up.) By including him KL just shows his lack of intellectual honesty (or any other kind of honesty too while I am at it.)

In the past he has pointed to specific examples where he considered Kubitza to be overworked (and they're reasonable-- short rest starts, high PC game, etc.), which is all that he claims in the OP, so I don't see anything dishonest about he wrote re: Kubitza.

(05-15-2015 10:55 AM)At Ease Wrote:  

(05-14-2015 05:19 PM)austinowl73 Wrote:  Kubitza was the Tigers' minor league pitcher of the year last year, so it appears he survived his Rice career (though as we saw years ago with Kenny, the Tigers can screw a pitcher up.) By including him KL just shows his lack of intellectual honesty (or any other kind of honesty too while I am at it.)

In the past he has pointed to specific examples where he considered Kubitza to be overworked (and they're reasonable-- short rest starts, high PC game, etc.), which is all that he claims in the OP, so I don't see anything dishonest about he wrote re: Kubitza.

Um, but Austin very, very rarely pitched a high pitch count or on short rest; certainly much less so than most other staff aces of elite programs.

Wow, Wade went in dry on Keith Law on twitter yesterday, thanks for the heads up mebehutchi...

https://twitter.com/Ricestudpoker/with_replies

(05-15-2015 11:22 AM)Scooter Wrote:  Wow, Wade went in dry on Keith Law on twitter yesterday, thanks for the heads up mebehutchi...

https://twitter.com/Ricestudpoker/with_replies

My God...

(05-15-2015 11:22 AM)Scooter Wrote:  Wow, Wade went in dry on Keith Law on twitter yesterday, thanks for the heads up mebehutchi...

https://twitter.com/Ricestudpoker/with_replies

Wade's passionate responses were great, but for all his faults, Klaw has spent plenty of time bashing the draft, NCAA, and MLB. But most of his points were spot-on.

(05-15-2015 11:22 AM)Scooter Wrote:  Wow, Wade went in dry on Keith Law on twitter yesterday, thanks for the heads up mebehutchi...

https://twitter.com/Ricestudpoker/with_replies

This is fantastic..

(05-15-2015 11:22 AM)Scooter Wrote:  Wow, Wade went in dry on Keith Law on twitter yesterday, thanks for the heads up mebehutchi...

https://twitter.com/Ricestudpoker/with_replies

Wade was and continues to be The Man!

Outstanding work from Wade. Really took it to Keith Law.

I continue to be a fan of Wade Townsend.

Wade - tell us what you really think.

Well done sir!

Wow, indeed: 39 tweets & replies laser-focused on @keithlaw and his "pure slander for his gossip magazine"

I continue to have a great deal of trouble understanding any conversation on twitter, much less the value of it as a service.

But, from what I could gather of the conversation (at least one side of it), he took it to klaw.

Here it is, tweet by tweet:

Quote:‪‪@keithlaw‪ In response to your article about the 2005 draft I would like to mention a few things. First of all you say nothing about MLB's‬

‪@keithlaw‪ decision effectively punishing me for ‬returning to finish my degree (in 3.5 years no less), nor mention the fact that I paid for

‪@keithlaw‪ the final semester out of my own, and unwealthy parent's pockets. With all the negative publicity that is surrounding professional‬

‪@keithlaw‪ sports off the field one would think that would be a major story worthy of notice rather than punishment. The unfortunate‬ truth

‪@keithlaw‪ behind it is that MLB is more concerned about keeping the status quo and thinking only in terms of $ to notice what I was doing to‬
‪
@keithlaw‪ further my education. I would have ‬made it a bigger deal at the time via the court system, except for the fear of getting
‪
@keithlaw‪ blackballed as a 21 year old kept me from speaking up (see Curt Flood). I would love to see the anti-trust exemption‬ eliminated
‪
@keithlaw‪ just for this reason (and I hope someone will continue to challenge it in court). The unfortunate human toll (me) on this decision‬
‪
@keithlaw‪ was that it sent a 21 year old into‬ deep, hair falling out, world spiraling depression due to the fact that I could not play
‪
@keithlaw‪ baseball in college nor sign with the Orioles after the baseless ruling. You fail to mention how a completely broke 21 year old‬

‪@keithlaw‪ was forced to move back into his parent's trailer because they and Wayne Graham were the only ones there for him. You fail to‬

‪@keithlaw‪ to mention‬ this and how it turned me from a pitcher into a traveling sideshow filled with radar guns. To not notice how this is
‪
@keithlaw‪ much more devastating to one's arm and to fail to see‬ how I felt that I needed to vindicate Tampa Bay's decision to draft me by

‪@keithlaw‪ going out and trying to be too perfect too soon is glossing over the real crime in this situation. ‬Yet you take a decent idea for
‪
@keithlaw‪ for an article and turn it into another hitpiece on both me 'blew out every joint in his body' (such a good taste in humor) and‬

‪@keithlaw‪ Wayne Graham who is‬ the only reason I was ever in the debate to even be drafted. You provide no facts on how I, or any of my

‪@keithlaw‪ teammates at Rice, were 'blown out and overworked', yet you continue‬ this narrative that has been going on for over ten years. You

‪@keithlaw‪ site both Philip Humber (owner of the 21st perfect game in Major League history) and Jeff Niemann (won 40 games‬ in the major
‪
@keithlaw‪ leagues and made over 12 million dollars) as proof that we were "overworked" by Coach Graham. If this is proof of overwork then‬

‪@keithlaw‪ please let every single pitcher‬ that comes out of Rice meet the same fate. Your implied argument of our surgeries AFTER coming out
‪
@keithlaw‪ of Rice is akin to noticing it was a cold winter, therefore Global‬ Warming does not exist. You fail to attack the minor league
‪
@keithlaw‪ system and how it is filled with uneducated coaches making 30-50k$ a year, who dont know or care about you. When compared with the‬

‪@keithlaw‪ salaries of college coaches (upwards of 200-500k a year) one can clearly see where the better coaching talent lies. I never once‬
‪
@keithlaw‪ had video dissected in the ‬minor leagues by any of my coaches, this is something that Coach Graham would do on a daily basis.

‪@keithlaw‪ I don’t know what the word for baseless claims made in public, specifically the implication that Wayne Graham should be 'unemployed‬

‪@keithlaw‪ (which is laughable when you see what he has done for not just Rice University, but for the countless players and support staff‬
‪
@keithlaw‪ that have worked under him), but I think the word 'libelous' comes to mind. I'm not a legal scholar but my lawyer @phdoyle is and‬
‪
@keithlaw‪ I would appreciate if you would at least provide statistics and proof if you plan on making these claims against me, my University‬

@keithlaw‪ and my lifelong friend and mentor Wayne Graham in pubic. Now back to your article,‬ on a personal note I truly feel like I deserve

‪@keithlaw‪ to be listed as the biggest bust in the 2005 draft (I can supply statistics), and the highlight should read "never played in AAA"‬

‪@keithlaw‪ not "never played in majors." Also as a history major I would suggest that rather than analyze the past for fun you should dissect‬
‪
@keithlaw‪ the inadequacies of the draft system and how it is flawed to change the future. Why does such capitalistic country have a socialist‬
‪
@keithlaw‪ draft system set up that rewards failure? I doubt I see these topics mentioned by you as I realize that you are part of the‬
‪
@keithlaw‪ corrupt system that does not take humans into account, so at the bare minimum please do not pretend that you, or anyone else in‬

‪@keithlaw‪ professional baseball,‬ cares about the human toll of what the draft and subsequent failure can do to players. #crickets

FWIW, his attorney @phdoyle is a former Rice pitcher as well.

Keith Law must have some very personal issues with Wayne Graham and/or Rice University. That is the only possible explanation. His descriptions go far beyond merely trying to report supposed pitcher abuse. Something is not right.

I figured Wade would chime in at some point. I find it interesting that Mr. Law has deleted Wade's tweets from his twitter feed...the 14th of May is just a couple of tweets some replying to other people but not to Wade.

This whole issue about overusing college pitchers is intriguing, I now in the bigs managers, agents and gms worry about overuse and pitch counts are very important, especially in high pressure situations. Literally, big $ is at stake. And, folks on the top teams want to make sure there are "innings in the bank" for the latter part of the season and play-offs.

Of course, it wasn't always this way. Once upon a time, complete games were the norm as SPs were always considered better bets to get outs than those in the bull pen. Managers got hired and fired based on the W-L record, not for conserving pitchers' arms. Tommy John was just a good pitcher for the Indians. Many pitchers' careers ended prematurely due to sore arms or attemots to come back too soon after injury.

There is some pressure to win in college, but nothing like the big leagues. And, most pitchers do not have the prospect of pro careers. Yet in a high profile program, there is more expectation of winning and many pitchers may get drafted or signed. So what is the right balance between winning and the pitcher's health?