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RE: OT: DeflateGate Report: Brady Cheated ... Kraft, it's time to Apologize
(09-11-2015 02:10 PM)stever20 Wrote:  bottom line, it's not a great look at all for the Patriots.

Yup, shady as hell.
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(09-11-2015 02:13 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  
(09-11-2015 02:10 PM)stever20 Wrote:  bottom line, it's not a great look at all for the Patriots.

Yup, shady as hell.

I think the Patriots cheat left and right, but in this case it was the NFL's fault. They should have ended the Patriot's communications during the time the Steelers were having difficulties. It's their fault they didn't.
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RE: OT: DeflateGate Report: Brady Cheated ... Kraft, it's time to Apologize
What is the NFL's fault is permitting these things to be under the control of the home team. This kind of stuff is inevitable. Boys will be boys, if you're not cheating you're not trying, etc., etc. It's the same issue as with deflating the footballs -- the NFL needs to keep it all under the control of league employees.

The NFL is a multi-billion-dollar business and can easily afford a few more low-level employees at each game site to control the communications just like they can easily afford to have NFL employees keep custody of game footballs at all times.
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RE: OT: DeflateGate Report: Brady Cheated ... Kraft, it's time to Apologize
(09-11-2015 02:08 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  
(09-11-2015 01:43 PM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  Fine its not all on the NFL

The NFL in their own statement after the game called it an interference issue, the NFL hires their own communication consultants to ensure wireless equipment is free and clear of interference and address any problems. .

Interference? Where do you think interference comes from? It is something within the area. Whether the within the stadium, or the local area, interference is a local issue. Hence why it tends to mysteriously happen in Foxborough, and strangely only for half the field.


Perhaps you can explain this one then?

At least five teams have suspected Patriots of headset tampering


With the Steelers suggesting that something was afoul on Thursday night in New England, there are now at least five teams that have accused the Patriots of tampering with communications:

1. After the Jaguars lost to the Patriots in the playoffs following the 2005 season, then-Jacksonville coach Jack Del Rio said the headsets “mysteriously malfunctioned.”

2. In 2006, then-Lions offensive coordinator Mike Martz suspected the Patriots of preventing him from communicating with his quarterback. As reported by Paul Zimmerman of Sports Illustrated, Martz had Detroit’s offense off to a good start until he lost the ability to call plays because the communications system went out. According to that report, it happened to the Lions twice, both times in the middle of drives when the Lions were picking up steam.

3. Bengals coach Marvin Lewis was quoted by Zimmerman as responding to Martz’s accusation by saying the same thing that happened to the Lions had happened to the Bengals as well: “Yeah, I know,” Lewis said. “Headset went out. It happened to me in Foxboro, too.”

4. Karlos Dansby said in an appearance on PFT Live this year that he suspected the Patriots of wrongdoing in 2008, when Dansby’s Cardinals visited New England and had trouble with their coach-to-helmet communications system.

5. The Steelers now become at least the fifth team making accusations, with the team saying that its coach-to-coach communications repeatedly faced interference from the Patriots’ radio broadcast, and that the interference would stop when a league official came to the sideline to deal with it, only to start up again when the league official walked away.

According to the NFL in an official statement the interference came from a power issue and the weather, and the interference was on both sides of field

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...-headsets/

5 times in 10 years doesn't seem that crazy they seem to go down all the time, even in Pittsburgh http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...burgh-too/ They even get air traffic control http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...tions.html http://nep.247sports.com/Bolt/Eagles-Chi...t-39334986

"I remember one time I was playing, I forget where it was, but I could hear the concession communication," said Tennessee's Kerry Collins, a veteran of 148 regular-season starts. "They were asking for popcorn on the second level or something like that.
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RE: OT: DeflateGate Report: Brady Cheated ... Kraft, it's time to Apologize
(09-11-2015 02:20 PM)Wedge Wrote:  What is the NFL's fault is permitting these things to be under the control of the home team. This kind of stuff is inevitable. Boys will be boys, if you're not cheating you're not trying, etc., etc. It's the same issue as with deflating the footballs -- the NFL needs to keep it all under the control of league employees.

The NFL is a multi-billion-dollar business and can easily afford a few more low-level employees at each game site to control the communications just like they can easily afford to have NFL employees keep custody of game footballs at all times.

exactly.
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RE: OT: DeflateGate Report: Brady Cheated ... Kraft, it's time to Apologize
If the interference was on "both sides" there would be no need to turn off the Patriots communication. But they went over to do it multiple times (when the steelers said theirs mysteriously started working again). They would not need to turn them off if they had the same feed as the steelers (they never turned off the steelers' while trying to fix). Sometimes you just have to think to see they bull****.
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RE: OT: DeflateGate Report: Brady Cheated ... Kraft, it's time to Apologize
Frequency Coordinators

http://www.cio.com/article/2437234/it-st...bowl-.html

The 45 radio frequency (RF) experts actually prefer to be called frequency coordinators, according to a recent article, and they are tasked with organizing the radio frequencies at NFL games. Of course, this being the biggest game of the year, the pressure to ensure smooth wireless communications at the Super Bowl is huge.

The radio systems in play at the game are wide ranging: wireless intercom systems; coach-to-coach (press box to field) and coach-to-quarterback communications;
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RE: OT: DeflateGate Report: Brady Cheated ... Kraft, it's time to Apologize
(09-11-2015 01:01 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  
(09-11-2015 12:47 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  
(09-10-2015 03:03 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  I enjoy watching how bent out of shape people get about the Patriots. This isn't college ball or any kind of amateur league, so lets not all get all high and mighty here. It is a business and the players get paid TONS of cash to do their jobs. The players who have lost at the hands of the Patriots need to point to an excuse in order to hang on to their multi-million dollar salaries. "It isn't that my play is mediocre, Mr. Owner, it is that the Patriots cheated." Um, really?

Just so you all know, Patriots fans are eating this hate up! So, go ahead. Pour the hate on some more. It honestly just makes it all that much more sweet.

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Man, you are really overcompensating for the fact that UConn is part of the G5. Be honest, how happy does it make you that you get to act all superior for another team that you root for?

G5 status only matters for football. As a UConn basketball fan, I don't need the Pats to make me feel superior....

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Ha! Perfect. Thanks for helping me prove my point.

Anyone that has to go on a message board and cry 'HATERZ!' is way overcompensating. I rest my case.
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RE: OT: DeflateGate Report: Brady Cheated ... Kraft, it's time to Apologize
NFL Ops

http://operations.nfl.com/the-game/technology/

Game Operations staff must check every system before a game, identify and prevent radio frequency conflicts, and address technological problems, even as the action continues. A tremendous amount of coordination is required — not only internally, but also with teams, broadcasters, stadium staff and emergency services.

Each week, NFL frequency coordinators must navigate countless spectrum conflicts. Licensed bandwidth from the Federal Communications Commission continues to shrink as demand continues to grow. Frequency coordinators make sure anyone using a wireless microphone, walkie-talkie or radio is on the correct channel to allow as many people as possible to access the bandwidth they need. Without this, the long list of people who need to access the spectrum each game could find themselves fighting over the same frequencies and unable to perform their jobs properly.
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(09-11-2015 02:33 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  
(09-11-2015 01:01 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  
(09-11-2015 12:47 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  
(09-10-2015 03:03 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  I enjoy watching how bent out of shape people get about the Patriots. This isn't college ball or any kind of amateur league, so lets not all get all high and mighty here. It is a business and the players get paid TONS of cash to do their jobs. The players who have lost at the hands of the Patriots need to point to an excuse in order to hang on to their multi-million dollar salaries. "It isn't that my play is mediocre, Mr. Owner, it is that the Patriots cheated." Um, really?

Just so you all know, Patriots fans are eating this hate up! So, go ahead. Pour the hate on some more. It honestly just makes it all that much more sweet.

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Man, you are really overcompensating for the fact that UConn is part of the G5. Be honest, how happy does it make you that you get to act all superior for another team that you root for?

G5 status only matters for football. As a UConn basketball fan, I don't need the Pats to make me feel superior....

[Image: MBBFINAL2.jpg]

Ha! Perfect. Thanks for helping me prove my point.

Anyone that has to go on a message board and cry 'HATERZ!' is way overcompensating. I rest my case.

Cool story, bro. Any fan of any team other than the Patriots who is obsessed with Deflategate and comes here to comment on it is way overcompensating. I rest my case.
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RE: OT: DeflateGate Report: Brady Cheated ... Kraft, it's time to Apologize
(09-11-2015 02:20 PM)Wedge Wrote:  What is the NFL's fault is permitting these things to be under the control of the home team. This kind of stuff is inevitable. Boys will be boys, if you're not cheating you're not trying, etc., etc. It's the same issue as with deflating the footballs -- the NFL needs to keep it all under the control of league employees.

The NFL is a multi-billion-dollar business and can easily afford a few more low-level employees at each game site to control the communications just like they can easily afford to have NFL employees keep custody of game footballs at all times.

They could also have both teams use the same footballs, and that wouldn't cost them anything.
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RE: OT: DeflateGate Report: Brady Cheated ... Kraft, it's time to Apologize
So the NFL:

Provides communication equipment
Employs Frequency Coordinators
Tests communication equipment before the game
Employs Communication Consultants to deal with technical difficulties during the game.

And has called in the Frequency Coordinator from the Pats-Steelers game to the league offices.
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(09-11-2015 02:46 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  Cool story, bro. Any fan of any team other than the Patriots who is obsessed with Deflategate and comes here to comment on it is way overcompensating. I rest my case.

What? We've been playing the Cheats twice a year since 1966. I'm only obsessed with trying to figure out how they are going to cheat us the next time out.
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(09-11-2015 04:06 PM)FIUFan Wrote:  
(09-11-2015 02:46 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  Cool story, bro. Any fan of any team other than the Patriots who is obsessed with Deflategate and comes here to comment on it is way overcompensating. I rest my case.

What? We've been playing the Cheats twice a year since 1966. I'm only obsessed with trying to figure out how they are going to cheat us the next time out.

I'll bet they've cheated you in many ways you don't even realize right now.
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I don't even care. This had little to do w/ the outcome of the game. Frustrating, sure.... But when the comms were the radio feed, the Steelers gave up 0 points. I don't think the Pats cheated, I just think it was some first game woes with their people that handle the wiring of the headsets.
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OT: DeflateGate Report: Brady Cheated ... Kraft, it's time to Apologize
The NFL has CLEARED the Patriots of any nefarious action related to the headsets.

This won't silence the haters, of course, as many of these folks who believed the NFL about the so-calked "Deflategate" now claim the NFL is covering for the Patriots here.

Haters gonna hate.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/136331...h-steelers
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(09-10-2015 09:45 PM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  
(09-10-2015 06:28 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(09-10-2015 03:03 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  I enjoy watching how bent out of shape people get about the Patriots. This isn't college ball or any kind of amateur league, so lets not all get all high and mighty here. It is a business and the players get paid TONS of cash to do their jobs. The players who have lost at the hands of the Patriots need to point to an excuse in order to hang on to their multi-million dollar salaries. "It isn't that my play is mediocre, Mr. Owner, it is that the Patriots cheated." Um, really?

Just so you all know, Patriots fans are eating this hate up! So, go ahead. Pour the hate on some more. It honestly just makes it all that much more sweet.

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Patriots still insists that Aaron Hernandez is innocent, and wants him back on their team. Face it, there are more reasons to hate the Patriots more than cheaters, but the Patriots defends thugs and murderers to boot just som that they can win more games.

I guess that's why they cut him immeadiately and went after his bonus money, because they the Patriots are insisting he's innocent and want him back. Even if he actually didn't commit the murders he's still looking at 10+ years for the illegal guns he had in his Franklin apartment.


Why did Kraft and Belicek testified in defense of Aaron? They still believed he did no wrongs.
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OT: DeflateGate Report: Brady Cheated ... Kraft, it's time to Apologize
(09-11-2015 10:03 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(09-10-2015 09:45 PM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  
(09-10-2015 06:28 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(09-10-2015 03:03 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  I enjoy watching how bent out of shape people get about the Patriots. This isn't college ball or any kind of amateur league, so lets not all get all high and mighty here. It is a business and the players get paid TONS of cash to do their jobs. The players who have lost at the hands of the Patriots need to point to an excuse in order to hang on to their multi-million dollar salaries. "It isn't that my play is mediocre, Mr. Owner, it is that the Patriots cheated." Um, really?

Just so you all know, Patriots fans are eating this hate up! So, go ahead. Pour the hate on some more. It honestly just makes it all that much more sweet.

02-13-banana02-13-banana01-donnankungfu02-13-banana02-13-banana01-donnankungfu02-13-banana02-13-banana01-donnankungfu02-13-banana02-13-banana
________Brady________Belichick_______Kraft_______


Patriots still insists that Aaron Hernandez is innocent, and wants him back on their team. Face it, there are more reasons to hate the Patriots more than cheaters, but the Patriots defends thugs and murderers to boot just som that they can win more games.

I guess that's why they cut him immeadiately and went after his bonus money, because they the Patriots are insisting he's innocent and want him back. Even if he actually didn't commit the murders he's still looking at 10+ years for the illegal guns he had in his Franklin apartment.


Why did Kraft and Belicek testified in defense of Aaron? They still believed he did no wrongs.

This is a perfect example of the nonsense spewed by the haters

Kraft was REQUIRED to testify as a witness for the PROSECUTION and his testimony, according to the reporting, helped "seal the fate" of Hernandez. Not sure BB was ever required to testify.

As I said, haters gonna hate. Facts don't really matter to them.

http://nesn.com/2015/04/how-robert-kraft...rial-fate/
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