Police are being attacked from all kinds of black leaders and white leftists right now. They have been called an "occupying force" by Marc Lamont Hill. Ok, since police are so terrible, let's see how these areas like West Baltimore do without any police. Just leave those areas that hate police to police themselves. Morgan Freeman called police terrorists. Ok Morgan, the police need to just leave those areas alone. I wonder how long there would be an uproar over how bad police are needed. Also, 3 of the cops charged in Baltimore are black, so even black cops aren't free of this hate for police.

This is one of the best ideas I've ever heard! Police free zones.

(05-02-2015 09:19 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  This is one of the best ideas I've ever heard! Police free zones.

Couldn't agree more. We could then use this for justice

Don't need to say that the police need to stop patrolling, but there needs to be self awareness. Not saying that these cops are guilty, but law enforcement in general seems to not notice their position right now and people need to be aware that the punishment for running or resisting can be death.

There is one thing that needs to be noted. From what has come out so far, it does not appear to apply in this case, but there are many cases where to does.

The police are not under a mandate simply to arrest offenders, but rather to prevent crimes. If they have a reasonable (note reasonable) suspicion that someone is about to commit a crime, and they are in a position to prevent his/her doing so, then they can and should take action to prevent it. That might well lead to justifiable use of what night appear to be excessive force in some situations.

One other point. We keep hearing about how the police have a war on black men. How many have been killed in incidents like this in the past month/year/whatever time frame you want to use? If the police were indeed conducting a war on black men, that number would be well up into the thousands, probably tens or even hundreds of thousands. What we have is evidence that there is NOT such a war going on. That's not to say there's no problem, just not that problem.

For the record, I don't see how you get a murder conviction here, but the evidence available certainly points to manslaughter. Same for the South Carolina killing. It would appear that both of those are being prosecuted vigorously, as they should be. I think there may be some overcharging in one or both cases, but I would trust the courts to work that out. The case that I find mind-boggling is the Staten Island case. I cannot for the life of me imagine why there was no indictment forthcoming on manslaughter, unless there are hugely significant facts that have not come out (and frankly, I can't imagine what facts could excuse the behavior). As for Ferguson, as far as I can tell we got the proper result there. The caee went to the criminal justice system, and the system said no violation could be proved, and that seems spot on. Zimmerman/Martin did not involve a policeman, at least not a real policeman, and I think it may have been wrongly decided based upon what we might imagine actually happened, but on the evidence presented in court, no conviction was or is appropriate. The problem was that the rabble rousers demanding quick action ended up forcing the action before there was sufficient evidence to support a conviction. I hope that same mistake isn't being made here. All parties need and deserve a fair trial.

(05-02-2015 08:57 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  Police are being attacked from all kinds of black leaders and white leftists right now. They have been called an "occupying force" by Marc Lamont Hill. Ok, since police are so terrible, let's see how these areas like West Baltimore do without any police. Just leave those areas that hate police to police themselves. Morgan Freeman called police terrorists. Ok Morgan, the police need to just leave those areas alone. I wonder how long there would be an uproar over how bad police are needed. Also, 3 of the cops charged in Baltimore are black, so even black cops aren't free of this hate for police.

The occupying force are hood rat thug criminals who live in these dangerous areas. For every 1 person who killed by a cop there are a gazillion murdered by their own.

Great idea! Let them burn, rape, riot, pillage, steal, kill themselves off the government payroll

Sooner or later, accountability will set in,...or not. Oh yes, its been 30 years since LBJ and the Great Society! what a success story the Dems have to tell!

As far as keeping these THUGS from running from the Police, here's the answer. Instead of doubling up officers, increase the number of K9 officers and tether them with humans.

For example, a standard traffic stop, much like North Charleston, SC and with this punk Gray in Bahhlmer, Md, have the suspect stop. If they run for NO APPARENT REASON, except guilt of some outstanding warrant, THEN the K9 is released. The dog chases and apprehends the "runner" and chews on them until the human officer arrives. The K9 chews on the suspect UNTIL they full comply with the requests of the human officer!

Now IF the "runner" stabs, or shoots the K9 officer, they are free game to be shot on sight and suffer the penalty of a "Cop Killer."

No fuss, no muss! No discussion of Taser, No shooting a fleeing suspect. Cuff and stuff and go along with the legal process! Brings accountability to all involved, particularly to the THUGS!

Cost of training a K9 officer = $ 12-20k .. No benefits other than water shelter, food and treats!

Gazillion you say?

(05-02-2015 10:49 AM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  Great idea! Let them burn, rape, riot, pillage, steal, kill themselves off the government payroll

Sooner or later, accountability will set in,...or not. Oh yes, its been 30 years since LBJ and the Great Society! what a success story the Dems have to tell!

As far as keeping these THUGS from running from the Police, here's the answer. Instead of doubling up officers, increase the number of K9 officers and tether them with humans.

For example, a standard traffic stop, much like North Charleston, SC and with this punk Gray in Bahhlmer, Md, have the suspect stop. If they run for NO APPARENT REASON, except guilt of some outstanding warrant, THEN the K9 is released. The dog chases and apprehends the "runner" and chews on them until the human officer arrives. The K9 chews on the suspect UNTIL they full comply with the requests of the human officer!

Now IF the "runner" stabs, or shoots the K9 officer, they are free game to be shot on sight and suffer the penalty of a "Cop Killer."

No fuss, no muss! No discussion of Taser, No shooting a fleeing suspect. Cuff and stuff and go along with the legal process! Brings accountability to all involved, particularly to the THUGS!

Seems like something straight out of the KGB Playbook. Congrats on your great idea.

No it's a cost saving measure to all local and state police.

(05-02-2015 10:53 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(05-02-2015 10:49 AM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  Great idea! Let them burn, rape, riot, pillage, steal, kill themselves off the government payroll

Sooner or later, accountability will set in,...or not. Oh yes, its been 30 years since LBJ and the Great Society! what a success story the Dems have to tell!

As far as keeping these THUGS from running from the Police, here's the answer. Instead of doubling up officers, increase the number of K9 officers and tether them with humans.

For example, a standard traffic stop, much like North Charleston, SC and with this punk Gray in Bahhlmer, Md, have the suspect stop. If they run for NO APPARENT REASON, except guilt of some outstanding warrant, THEN the K9 is released. The dog chases and apprehends the "runner" and chews on them until the human officer arrives. The K9 chews on the suspect UNTIL they full comply with the requests of the human officer!

Now IF the "runner" stabs, or shoots the K9 officer, they are free game to be shot on sight and suffer the penalty of a "Cop Killer."

No fuss, no muss! No discussion of Taser, No shooting a fleeing suspect. Cuff and stuff and go along with the legal process! Brings accountability to all involved, particularly to the THUGS!

Seems like something straight out of the KGB Playbook. Congrats on your great idea.

Funny, I don't see you offering any "great" ideas.

Hey if this would be SOP, then the THUG in North Charleston, that didn't care for his children, by be behind $18K in child support, but was some how going to purchase a POS 15 year old Mercedes Benz....would still be alive. In jail on the tax payer but alive.

Same for the career drug dealer Gray.

(05-02-2015 11:02 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(05-02-2015 10:53 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(05-02-2015 10:49 AM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  Great idea! Let them burn, rape, riot, pillage, steal, kill themselves off the government payroll

Sooner or later, accountability will set in,...or not. Oh yes, its been 30 years since LBJ and the Great Society! what a success story the Dems have to tell!

As far as keeping these THUGS from running from the Police, here's the answer. Instead of doubling up officers, increase the number of K9 officers and tether them with humans.

For example, a standard traffic stop, much like North Charleston, SC and with this punk Gray in Bahhlmer, Md, have the suspect stop. If they run for NO APPARENT REASON, except guilt of some outstanding warrant, THEN the K9 is released. The dog chases and apprehends the "runner" and chews on them until the human officer arrives. The K9 chews on the suspect UNTIL they full comply with the requests of the human officer!

Now IF the "runner" stabs, or shoots the K9 officer, they are free game to be shot on sight and suffer the penalty of a "Cop Killer."

No fuss, no muss! No discussion of Taser, No shooting a fleeing suspect. Cuff and stuff and go along with the legal process! Brings accountability to all involved, particularly to the THUGS!

Seems like something straight out of the KGB Playbook. Congrats on your great idea.

Funny, I don't see you offering any "great" ideas.

I'm not offering any great ideas because I seem to be among the few posters here who realize that this is not some new phenomenon that police are just now having to deal with. People have ran from the police since there have been police, given the drastic decrease in crime rates and decrease in violent deaths seen by the police in our lifetimes, I guess I don't see the need to maul every person who runs scared or is confused, or god help us, mentally retarded.

You all sound like a bunch of menopausal women complaining about kids these days when there were youths starting riots over wearing straw hats in the 20's.

(05-02-2015 11:08 AM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  Hey if this would be SOP, then the THUG in North Charleston, that didn't care for his children, by be behind $18K in child support, but was some how going to purchase a POS 15 year old Mercedes Benz....would still be alive. In jail on the tax payer but alive.

Same for the career drug dealer Gray.

And how many people would be mauled, injured, dead, or fcking terrified of law enforcement if this did happen? It's like your response to things you don't like is just 'HULK SMASH' without any sort of contemplation on what you're saying and what the results would be.

The police already arrive 2 hours late to certain urban areas, so they might as well not show. Complete anarchy!

(05-02-2015 09:26 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  

(05-02-2015 09:19 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  This is one of the best ideas I've ever heard! Police free zones.

Couldn't agree more. We could then use this for justice

Snake would be get eaten alive in Baltimore. Presumably by an eagle.

I do love the posters on here whose response to a cop shooting a fleeing man is to suggest that the policeman should just sic the dog on them instead. Did conservatives learn nothing from the 60's?

(05-02-2015 11:21 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(05-02-2015 11:08 AM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  Hey if this would be SOP, then the THUG in North Charleston, that didn't care for his children, by be behind $18K in child support, but was some how going to purchase a POS 15 year old Mercedes Benz....would still be alive. In jail on the tax payer but alive.

Same for the career drug dealer Gray.

And how many people would be mauled, injured, dead, or fcking terrified of law enforcement if this did happen? It's like your response to things you don't like is just 'HULK SMASH' without any sort of contemplation on what you're saying and what the results would be.

You have zero reasoning skills. I believe you didn't approve of the officer in N. Charleston shooting a fleeing suspect, right? Others say disobeying authority/police is ok. Well this puts the accountability on the suspect and offers a SOP of what will happen IF you chose not to act accordingly.

How is that HULK LIKE? Your just a well...

(05-02-2015 11:33 AM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  

(05-02-2015 11:21 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(05-02-2015 11:08 AM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  Hey if this would be SOP, then the THUG in North Charleston, that didn't care for his children, by be behind $18K in child support, but was some how going to purchase a POS 15 year old Mercedes Benz....would still be alive. In jail on the tax payer but alive.

Same for the career drug dealer Gray.

And how many people would be mauled, injured, dead, or fcking terrified of law enforcement if this did happen? It's like your response to things you don't like is just 'HULK SMASH' without any sort of contemplation on what you're saying and what the results would be.

You have zero reasoning skills. I believe you didn't approve of the officer in N. Charleston shooting a fleeing suspect, right? Others say disobeying authority/police is ok. Well this puts the accountability on the suspect and offers a SOP of what will happen IF you chose not to act accordingly.

How is that HULK LIKE? Your just a well...

There is already accountability on the suspect, running from the police results in a crime that is punishable not by mauling, but by jailtime if found guilty in a court of law. How many videos of cops trying to take peoples phones do I need to show you before you realize that the idea any sort of action which goes in direct opposition to a police officers request isn't illegal or morally wrong. The United States of America was founded upon those principles you nitwit, and here you are saying we should allow police to maul people because they are 'disobeying authority'? You're a disgrace of an American if you truly believe this.

And again, over out lifetimes, crime is down as are police deaths. What is the impetus of such a drastic, and possibly harmful, change in police policy towards putting more accountability towards the suspects?

I fart in your general direction you weak troll.

You encompass the weakness that is America today.

Carry On.