(09-20-2022 07:55 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  But to add to this discussion... this is some good reading.

https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/d...ce-travel/

Thats an interesting question because it deals with the idea that we are doing something "wrong" when we go to the moon or send out probes. I think as the link illustrates the Biblical answer to that is clearly NO. Its not wrong to study the heavens and even send men into space.

That's the first time I've ever heard anyone suggest or ask if its "Wrong" to do these things, I never really thought about it possibly being wrong or breaking God's law.

I don't really see how we can say the Bible suggests its wrong. Maybe the idea of reaching God through space travel is wrong because Christ is the only path to Him. But just sending out probes or sending men into space? I don't see how that is wrong biblically.

I think what we can clearly say is God tells us plainly what the situation is when Christ returns, and its clearly not with man as an interstellar colonizer spread out among the stars. Its with man as an earth based species. And again the Bible suggests a time frame of a 2000 year church age, followed the the 2nd coming and then a 1000 Kingdom age on Earth. After that a New Heaven and New Earth where death will no longer exist.

I've always assumed that in the eternal realm and New Heaven New Earth that man will branch out and live on other planets, just not before the 2nd coming and God's Kingdom being literally established on the earth.

(09-20-2022 10:38 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(09-20-2022 07:55 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  But to add to this discussion... this is some good reading.

https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/d...ce-travel/

Thats an interesting question because it deals with the idea that we are doing something "wrong" when we go to the moon or send out probes. I think as the link illustrates the Biblical answer to that is clearly NO. Its not wrong to study the heavens and even send men into space.

That's the first time I've ever heard anyone suggest or ask if its "Wrong" to do these things, I never really thought about it possibly being wrong or breaking God's law.

I don't really see how we can say the Bible suggests its wrong. Maybe the idea of reaching God through space travel is wrong because Christ is the only path to Him. But just sending out probes or sending men into space? I don't see how that is wrong biblically.

I think what we can clearly say is God tells us plainly what the situation is when Christ returns, and its clearly not with man as an interstellar colonizer spread out among the stars. Its with man as an earth based species. And again the Bible suggests a time frame of a 2000 year church age, followed the the 2nd coming and then a 1000 Kingdom age on Earth. After that a New Heaven and New Earth where death will no longer exist.

I've always assumed that in the eternal realm and New Heaven New Earth that man will branch out and live on other planets, just not before the 2nd coming and God's Kingdom being literally established on the earth.

This is what my FIL sent me. Keep in mind that he has gone to seminary school and is into the word on a daily basis.

"I want in on this conversation too. God is God of the universe, and he has made this a beautiful and inviting universe to explore. And he created us with curiosity. He did tell people to inhabit the whole earth, and they knew nothing about other continents even. Also, even if people go to and populate a different planet and die, we believe they are with God no matter where they die. One of my hopes is that from the New earth we will be able to travel to other parts of the universe; we'll have an eternity to do so. I doubt that there are beings on other planets, but if there were, it would be more evidence of God's creating us. The odds of that happening by chance are astronomical times two."

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(09-21-2022 06:10 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(09-20-2022 10:38 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(09-20-2022 07:55 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  But to add to this discussion... this is some good reading.

https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/d...ce-travel/

Thats an interesting question because it deals with the idea that we are doing something "wrong" when we go to the moon or send out probes. I think as the link illustrates the Biblical answer to that is clearly NO. Its not wrong to study the heavens and even send men into space.

That's the first time I've ever heard anyone suggest or ask if its "Wrong" to do these things, I never really thought about it possibly being wrong or breaking God's law.

I don't really see how we can say the Bible suggests its wrong. Maybe the idea of reaching God through space travel is wrong because Christ is the only path to Him. But just sending out probes or sending men into space? I don't see how that is wrong biblically.

I think what we can clearly say is God tells us plainly what the situation is when Christ returns, and its clearly not with man as an interstellar colonizer spread out among the stars. Its with man as an earth based species. And again the Bible suggests a time frame of a 2000 year church age, followed the the 2nd coming and then a 1000 Kingdom age on Earth. After that a New Heaven and New Earth where death will no longer exist.

I've always assumed that in the eternal realm and New Heaven New Earth that man will branch out and live on other planets, just not before the 2nd coming and God's Kingdom being literally established on the earth.

This is what my FIL sent me. Keep in mind that he has gone to seminary school and is into the word on a daily basis.

"I want in on this conversation too. God is God of the universe, and he has made this a beautiful and inviting universe to explore. And he created us with curiosity. He did tell people to inhabit the whole earth, and they knew nothing about other continents even. Also, even if people go to and populate a different planet and die, we believe they are with God no matter where they die. One of my hopes is that from the New earth we will be able to travel to other parts of the universe; we'll have an eternity to do so. I doubt that there are beings on other planets, but if there were, it would be more evidence of God's creating us. The odds of that happening by chance are astronomical times two."

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Sounds like he is saying the exact same thing I am saying. I fully agree with him.



On a side note, you don't have to be in seminary to understand the Bible or attend a Bible school to understand scripture. No where in the Bible does it suggest you need to do that to understand it. In fact its tells us its God Himself who gives you understanding, not other people who went to school for it. Its certainty cool to do those things or attend a Bible school, but if you can read and have any comprehension skills at all its not a necessity.

God gave us the Bible for all to read and study, not just a select group of people.

Too many people just defer and depend on others to tell them what scripture says. In fact I'd say over 80% of Christians are guilty of this. You yourself can study it and see these things for yourself in scripture, and your understand and relationship with God will grow exponentially.

If you want to get closer to God, if you want to heard God speaking to you directly, get serious about reading and studying your Bible. It will change your entire life forever, it will give you new eyes, new ears, a new mind and a completely new perspective on everything under the sun in on creation.

If you think its hard to follow and understand at first, that's because its supposed to be AT FIRST. HE gave it to us that way because the people who do get past those first steps are dead serious about it and are seeking Him with all their heart. After those early stages, it begins to open up and your understanding begins to open up in a way you never dreamed or imagined.

I was 40 before I really began to seriously study it, and the previous 40 years I thought it was too hard to understand. But its not, what had to change was me and my heart to seek Him on a serious level.

If you pray for understanding and believe HE will give it, and you follow that up with real study you will be blown away with how much you can understand. And before you know it you won;t be asking other people to tell you what it says, you will be looking and reading and finding those things for yourself. Then you will ask other people about it just to compare notes.

Trust me brother, you can read and understand the Bible, and that is what God desires for you to do.

It took me half my life to realize that, but its never too late. Many people in scripture did not begin to really follow God until that point or even later

so, this is pretty cool: New Webb Image Captures Clearest View of Neptune’s Rings in Decades


NASA’s James Webb Space Telescope shows off its capabilities closer to home with its first image of Neptune. Not only has Webb captured the clearest view of this distant planet’s rings in more than 30 years, but its cameras reveal the ice giant in a whole new light.

Most striking in Webb’s new image is the crisp view of the planet’s rings – some of which have not been detected since NASA’s Voyager 2 became the first spacecraft to observe Neptune during its flyby in 1989. In addition to several bright, narrow rings, the Webb image clearly shows Neptune’s fainter dust bands.

“It has been three decades since we last saw these faint, dusty rings, and this is the first time we’ve seen them in the infrared,” notes Heidi Hammel, a Neptune system expert and interdisciplinary scientist for Webb. Webb’s extremely stable and precise image quality permits these very faint rings to be detected so close to Neptune.

That's a great pic.

Neptune is one of the most fascinating and beautiful planets in the solar system. I still remember when I was a kid and we had no clue what it really looked like, just that it appeared to be a blue gas giant. When voyager 2 passed it in 1989 that was so epic, similar to when it passed Pluto. We were the first humans to ever see it up close and it did not disappoint.

The ring system, the cloud variations, the moons we discovered, that giant dark spot. And just the majestic sea of blue it is.

And its so massive compared to earth.

looks like Artemis will be rolled back to the VAB, but Ian might have something to say about the schedule...currently, earliest new launch date is Oct 2nd for the moment...

Monday, Sept. 26 (DART Impact Day)
The DART impact (all times Eastern):

6 p.m. – Live coverage of DART’s impact with the asteroid Dimorphos will air on NASA TV and the agency’s website.
​7:14 p.m. – DART’s kinetic impact with asteroid Dimorphos.
​​8 p.m. – Media briefing at Johns Hopkins APL to hear from mission experts immediately following DART’s successful impact with asteroid Dimorphos.

(09-25-2022 08:01 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Monday, Sept. 26 (DART Impact Day)
The DART impact (all times Eastern):

6 p.m. – Live coverage of DART’s impact with the asteroid Dimorphos will air on NASA TV and the agency’s website.
​7:14 p.m. – DART’s kinetic impact with asteroid Dimorphos.
​​8 p.m. – Media briefing at Johns Hopkins APL to hear from mission experts immediately following DART’s successful impact with asteroid Dimorphos.

Wouldn't it by our luck that if by nudging the asteroid it put it on a trajectory towards Earth?

(09-26-2022 07:45 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-25-2022 08:01 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Monday, Sept. 26 (DART Impact Day)
The DART impact (all times Eastern):

6 p.m. – Live coverage of DART’s impact with the asteroid Dimorphos will air on NASA TV and the agency’s website.
​7:14 p.m. – DART’s kinetic impact with asteroid Dimorphos.
​​8 p.m. – Media briefing at Johns Hopkins APL to hear from mission experts immediately following DART’s successful impact with asteroid Dimorphos.

Wouldn't it by our luck that if by nudging the asteroid it put it on a trajectory towards Earth?

More like the nudged asteroid will be sent hurtling toward a planet, that is home to a more advanced species. They'll see it as an act of aggression and pay earth a visit.

if you missed it and want to wacth the whole thing (or FF to the impact) here is a video link:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RA8Tfa6Sck

(08-26-2022 04:17 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Funny story: As a civilian at El Paso International Airport Transient Terminal we refueled every conceivable aircraft from the smallest to the C-5.

As an old "grape," I applaud you. For those who don't know the term, carrier flight deck crews wear different colored shirts to tell them apart--green for cat/trap operators, red for ammo handlers, etc. Refueling crews wear purple and are known as grapes. We never hot refueled, but the flight deck is a damned dangerous place to work.

DART asteroid crash seen by James Webb, Hubble space telescopes


The Italian LICIACube cubesat, which traveled to the binary asteroid Didymos aboard NASA's asteroid-smashing DART mission, captured these images of DART's collision with its target space rock.

Wednesday, Oct. 5, 2022
8:30 a.m. EDT – NASA Live Coverage of the launch of NASA's SpaceX Crew Dragon Crew-5 to the International Space Station from the Kennedy Space Center (Launch scheduled at 12 p.m. EDT; coverage of the Crew-5 crew’s trip to the International Space Station will continue uninterrupted through docking and hatch opening on Oct. 6)

(09-21-2022 10:41 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  That's a great pic.

Neptune is one of the most fascinating and beautiful planets in the solar system. I still remember when I was a kid and we had no clue what it really looked like, just that it appeared to be a blue gas giant. When voyager 2 passed it in 1989 that was so epic, similar to when it passed Pluto. We were the first humans to ever see it up close and it did not disappoint.

The ring system, the cloud variations, the moons we discovered, that giant dark spot. And just the majestic sea of blue it is.

And its so massive compared to earth.

Watching Event Horizon as a 13 year old kid has ruined Neptune for me. I always get uneasy when I think about that planet now.

(10-03-2022 10:16 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(09-21-2022 10:41 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  That's a great pic.

Neptune is one of the most fascinating and beautiful planets in the solar system. I still remember when I was a kid and we had no clue what it really looked like, just that it appeared to be a blue gas giant. When voyager 2 passed it in 1989 that was so epic, similar to when it passed Pluto. We were the first humans to ever see it up close and it did not disappoint.

The ring system, the cloud variations, the moons we discovered, that giant dark spot. And just the majestic sea of blue it is.

And its so massive compared to earth.

Watching Event Horizon as a 13 year old kid has ruined Neptune for me. I always get uneasy when I think about that planet now.

That's a great sci-fi horror flick.

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About Uranus
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Massive space rock impact could have 'instantly' created the moon


Computer simulations of giant space rock impacts suggest an alternative 'instant' origin for the Earth-moon system. The simulation screenshot shows a stream of ejected material created by a giant impact coalesces into the body that would become the moon. (Image credit: Dr. Jacob Kegerreis)

As the New Horizons mission to Planet Pluto was the start of this thread, an update on findings seems in order. Conveniently, one has been produced in the last 3 days:

Quote:What Did NASA Discover in Latest Photos from Pluto?
On the periphery of the Solar System there is a little world bound by toxic ice lurking amid the great abyss of space. A giant shadow covering the stars from sight is unmovable over its rugged horizon, and the dim Sun slowly traverses the sky. The Sun rays here are not able to dissipate the semi-darkness that the frozen plain wrinkled with bottomless crevices is perpetually shrouded in. This is Pluto – a lifeless kingdom of rock and ice covered by a perpetual shadow. Let’s find out more about it.

00:00 Intro
00:53 Pluto
03:04 New Horizons
05:05 Tombaugh Regio (map of pluto)
07:48 Cryovulcano (map of pluto)
08:25 Maculas (map of pluto)
09:48 Lowell Regio (map of pluto)
10:43 The Pluto-Charon system
12:03 Charon
15:03 Ending

also this rather interesting short video was released today:

Quote:New time-lapse movies from NASA’s NEOWISE mission give astronomers the opportunity to see objects, like stars and black holes, as they move and change over time. The videos include previously hidden brown dwarfs, a feeding black hole, a dying star, a star-forming region, and a brightening star. They combine more than 10 years of NEOWISE observations and 18 all-sky images, enabling a long-term analysis and a deeper understanding of the universe.

0:44 – NEOWISE all-sky scan animation
1:03 – Feeding black hole
1:14 – Pulsing star reaches the end of its life
1:21 – Protostars in star-forming region
1:34 – Brown dwarf moves across the sky
2:00 – Unexplained stellar brightening

The NEOWISE mission uses a space telescope to hunt for asteroids and comets, including those that could pose a threat to Earth. Launched in December 2009 as the Wide-Field Infrared Survey Explorer, or WISE, the space telescope was originally designed to survey the sky in infrared, detecting asteroids, stars and some of the faintest galaxies in space. WISE did so successfully until completing its primary mission in February 2011.

Observations resumed in December 2013, when the telescope was taken out of hibernation and re-purposed for the NEOWISE project as an instrument to study near-Earth objects, or NEOs, as well as more distant asteroids and comets.

chief twit still doing space stuff...