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Baseball RPI 4/27
http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/baseball/d1

The Cajuns RPI is up to No.32 which is good for the SBC to possibly have 2 teams in the Post season. If the Cajuns are able to keep their RPI up and don't win the SBC Tournament is the only way the SBC is to get 2 teams in the Post season.

At this point, the Cajuns are the only team with a chance at an at-large bid. The next highest RPI in the conference is South Alabama at No.108.
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Even then, from talking to a few people who watch this stuff, the Cajuns chances are not that great either because any loss they take the rest of the way is going to be a team with a far lower RPI than them.

Means the margin for error is very little.
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RE: Baseball RPI 4/27
Really frustrating, because we could win a weekend series with a lot of the teams higher than us.

Ditto for South Alabama.
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What Belt teams have not done this year is get enough out-of-conference wins. The reason Louisiana is at 32 now is that they probably have the most impressive non-conference resume of any of us. All of us have lost to teams that we should not have lost to and generally speaking for most of us the midweek games have not yielded the results we need.
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RE: Baseball RPI 4/27
1) Cajuns 32

2) USA 108

3) GS 110

4) Troy 116

5) UTA 117

6) GSU 127

7) Ark State 129

8) Texas State 157

9) UALR 181

10) ULM 213

11) App St 234
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(04-27-2015 06:17 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Even then, from talking to a few people who watch this stuff, the Cajuns chances are not that great either because any loss they take the rest of the way is going to be a team with a far lower RPI than them.

Means the margin for error is very little.

I think if it's possible for the Cajuns RPI to not fall out the 50s and they win over 35 games that the Selection Committee could pick them for the LSU Regional.

It's hard keeping your RPI up with the SBC having such a down year, that is why it is so important to schedule OOC teams that you think will have a high RPI from a conference with a high RPI like the SEC.

I think us playing a series against Alabama and playing LSU, and Houston has helped keep our SOS at 50, even though the SBC teams RPI is in the 100s.

This past weekend we swept UTA with a losing record and our RPI still went up mainly due to our SOS.

I think they also take into account your record against Top 50, 100, 200, and 200+ RPI teams. Also, if the LSU Regional needs a team in driving distance that will bring a load of fans, we could have a chance as long as we keep winning.04-rock

Hopefully, if the LSU Regional is all about the money, we could help them instead of a team that has to travel father than 50 miles
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(04-27-2015 08:55 PM)IdahoCajun Wrote:  
(04-27-2015 06:17 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Even then, from talking to a few people who watch this stuff, the Cajuns chances are not that great either because any loss they take the rest of the way is going to be a team with a far lower RPI than them.

Means the margin for error is very little.

I think if it's possible for the Cajuns RPI to not fall out the 50s and they win over 35 games that the Selection Committee could pick them for the LSU Regional.

It's hard keeping your RPI up with the SBC having such a down year, that is why it is so important to schedule OOC teams that you think will have a high RPI from a conference with a high RPI like the SEC.

I think us playing a series against Alabama and playing LSU and Houston has helped keep our SOS at 50, even though the SBC teams RPI is in the 100s.

This past weekend we swept UTA with a losing record and our RPI still went up mainly due to our SOS.

I think they also take into account your record against Top 50, 100, 200, and 200+ RPI teams. Also, if the LSU Regional needs a team in driving distance that will bring a load of fans, we could have a chance as long as we keep winning.04-rock

Hopefully, the LSU Regional is all about the money because we will bring some.

Lsu regional certainly not our only option, probably not even the most likely. Tulane and SLU are both in the mix for at larges, if SLU gets in they will go to LSU and we most likely go to college station. We could possibly get sent to dallas baptist as well. Lot of baseball left though. If our RPI is close to 50 we are not going anywhere, that would mean we lost too many of the rest out our games, which means we didn't win regular season either.
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RE: Baseball RPI 4/27
(04-27-2015 08:09 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  What Belt teams have not done this year is get enough out-of-conference wins. The reason Louisiana is at 32 now is that they probably have the most impressive non-conference resume of any of us. All of us have lost to teams that we should not have lost to and generally speaking for most of us the midweek games have not yielded the results we need.

Our nonconference results were great. We're 11-5 with a series won over a top 5 team.

It's just that little thing called conference play that's bit us. Can't beat anyone in league.
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(04-27-2015 08:55 PM)IdahoCajun Wrote:  
(04-27-2015 06:17 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Even then, from talking to a few people who watch this stuff, the Cajuns chances are not that great either because any loss they take the rest of the way is going to be a team with a far lower RPI than them.

Means the margin for error is very little.

I think if it's possible for the Cajuns RPI to not fall out the 50s and they win over 35 games that the Selection Committee could pick them for the LSU Regional.

It's hard keeping your RPI up with the SBC having such a down year, that is why it is so important to schedule OOC teams that you think will have a high RPI from a conference with a high RPI like the SEC.

I think us playing a series against Alabama and playing LSU and Houston has helped keep our SOS at 50, even though the SBC teams RPI is in the 100s.

This past weekend we swept UTA with a losing record and our RPI still went up mainly due to our SOS.

I think they also take into account your record against Top 50, 100, 200, and 200+ RPI teams. Also, if the LSU Regional needs a team in driving distance that will bring a load of fans, we could have a chance as long as we keep winning.04-rock

Hopefully, the LSU Regional is all about the money because we will bring some.

Right. We're experiencing the same thing with our RPI thanks to the Louisville win. Kept us in the 120's despite being 7-16 in league play. Alabama is what is keeping you guys up right now, that and no bad OOC losses.

What you can't do however is turn around and lose 2 of 3 to a league opponent. That could really drop you.

As I said, the margin for error is low without having a major RPI game left on your schedule...
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Playing App st #234 and ULM #213 will hurt the Cajuns even if they sweep them both.. If they lose then it's gonna really drop
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(04-27-2015 09:32 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  Playing App st #234 and ULM #213 will hurt the Cajuns even if they sweep them both.. If they lose then it's gonna really drop

But they are both on the road, if we keep winning we will be fine. If our previous opponents keep winning it will wash out any hit we take from playing them. If we are 9-2 in last 11 I think we are pretty safety In as long as one of those isn't to UNO or 2 at home to south Al. Even 8-3 we still have a shot depending how everything around us falls.
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RE: Baseball RPI 4/27
What's hurting USA is that we played so many home games, and of the non-conference games we've played I would say 9 are good, 7 are ok, and 7 are bad (based on their winning percentage):

Good:
Auburn (29-16)
Maryland (30-13)
Arkansas (26-18)
UCF (26-18)
SELA (33-12)
SELA (33-12)
USM (23-16)
Alabama State (28-14)
Alabama State (28-14)

OK:
Alabama (23-20)
Mississippi State (23-21)
Jackson State (19-17)
Evansville (21-18)
Evansville (21-18)
Evansville (21-18)
Jacksonville State (23-20)
Jacksonville State (23-20)

Bad:
UNO (12-28)
UNO (12-28)
UNO (12-28)
Brown (11-28)
Brown (11-28)
Brown (11-28)
Brown (11-28)

Those Brown and UNO games are really hurting us right now.
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(04-27-2015 10:01 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  What's hurting USA is that we played so many home games, and of the non-conference games we've played I would say 9 are good, 7 are ok, and 7 are bad (based on their winning percentage):

Good:
Auburn (29-16)
Maryland (30-13)
Arkansas (26-18)
UCF (26-18)
SELA (33-12)
SELA (33-12)
USM (23-16)
Alabama State (28-14)
Alabama State (28-14)

OK:
Alabama (23-20)
Mississippi State (23-21)
Jackson State (19-17)
Evansville (21-18)
Evansville (21-18)
Evansville (21-18)
Jacksonville State (23-20)
Jacksonville State (23-20)

Bad:
UNO (12-28)
UNO (12-28)
UNO (12-28)
Brown (11-28)
Brown (11-28)
Brown (11-28)
Brown (11-28)

Those Brown and UNO games are really hurting us right now.

That seems like a better SOS than 174
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(04-27-2015 09:40 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  
(04-27-2015 09:32 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  Playing App st #234 and ULM #213 will hurt the Cajuns even if they sweep them both.. If they lose then it's gonna really drop

But they are both on the road, if we keep winning we will be fine. If our previous opponents keep winning it will wash out any hit we take from playing them. If we are 9-2 in last 11 I think we are pretty safety In as long as one of those isn't to UNO or 2 at home to south Al. Even 8-3 we still have a shot depending how everything around us falls.


9 wins with a good SBC tourney run seems reasonable

It's going to be close either way. I've seen the committee turn down teams with better resume's... Especially if they become convinced the SBC is not a very good league, and start devaluing the Cajuns league losses even more.
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(04-28-2015 12:41 AM)IdahoCajun Wrote:  
(04-27-2015 10:01 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  What's hurting USA is that we played so many home games, and of the non-conference games we've played I would say 9 are good, 7 are ok, and 7 are bad (based on their winning percentage):

Good:
Auburn (29-16)
Maryland (30-13)
Arkansas (26-18)
UCF (26-18)
SELA (33-12)
SELA (33-12)
USM (23-16)
Alabama State (28-14)
Alabama State (28-14)

OK:
Alabama (23-20)
Mississippi State (23-21)
Jackson State (19-17)
Evansville (21-18)
Evansville (21-18)
Evansville (21-18)
Jacksonville State (23-20)
Jacksonville State (23-20)

Bad:
UNO (12-28)
UNO (12-28)
UNO (12-28)
Brown (11-28)
Brown (11-28)
Brown (11-28)
Brown (11-28)

Those Brown and UNO games are really hurting us right now.

That seems like a better SOS than 174

Remember the formula changed a while back to place more emphasis on OOC Road games. Playing Arkansas, Central Florida, and Maryland at home is not near the gain from USA as it would be playing them neutral site or on the road (Especially considering they got swept)
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(04-28-2015 02:55 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(04-28-2015 12:41 AM)IdahoCajun Wrote:  
(04-27-2015 10:01 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  What's hurting USA is that we played so many home games, and of the non-conference games we've played I would say 9 are good, 7 are ok, and 7 are bad (based on their winning percentage):

Good:
Auburn (29-16)
Maryland (30-13)
Arkansas (26-18)
UCF (26-18)
SELA (33-12)
SELA (33-12)
USM (23-16)
Alabama State (28-14)
Alabama State (28-14)

OK:
Alabama (23-20)
Mississippi State (23-21)
Jackson State (19-17)
Evansville (21-18)
Evansville (21-18)
Evansville (21-18)
Jacksonville State (23-20)
Jacksonville State (23-20)

Bad:
UNO (12-28)
UNO (12-28)
UNO (12-28)
Brown (11-28)
Brown (11-28)
Brown (11-28)
Brown (11-28)

Those Brown and UNO games are really hurting us right now.

That seems like a better SOS than 174

Remember the formula changed a while back to place more emphasis on OOC Road games. Playing Arkansas, Central Florida, and Maryland at home is not near the gain from USA as it would be playing them neutral site or on the road (Especially considering they got swept)

yeah, in 2013 they made an adjustment to how the RPI was calculated by giving more points for a road win than an at home win. Conversely, each home loss would count more against your RPI than an away loss.

They had to make this adjustment because schools like LSU were playing most of their OOC games at home where they have a definite advantage. The Cajuns and LSU play at a neural site in Metarie each year where nobody's RPI is penalized because it's at a neural site.
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Playing Alabama with an RPI of 47 is actually worse than playing South Alabama with an RPI of 110. Why? Because of their W-L record. Bama is only 3 games over .500 and therefore doesn't contribute much to our opponent's WP (50% of the RPI formula), whereas USA, which is 13 games over .500, will be a big boost to our opponent's WP. Our OOC series with UTSA has a bigger impact on our RPI than Alabama.

Playing App State this weekend will have a negative impact on our opponent's WP (18 games under .500), but because it's on the road, we will get credited 1.3 wins for each win. So theoretically, we could end up with 3.9 wins in the 3 game series this weekend.
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(04-27-2015 09:32 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  Playing App st #234 and ULM #213 will hurt the Cajuns even if they sweep them both.. If they lose then it's gonna really drop

As it has been mentioned, the RPI ranking doesnt matter, it's the W-L record. ULM isnt a terrible game as it stands (though that may change by the time we play them.)

Also, if the Cajuns are to lose, it is better to do it on the road to one of those teams than at home where a loss hurts more (1.3x vs 0.7x). The portion of the RPI that takes into account the result of your games is your adjusted win pct with home/road factors. That part of the RPI does not take into account the record of which team you lose to or which teams beat you, only where the loss occurs. Losing to UALR (#181) on the road hurts less than losing to Stony Brook (#63 RPI) at home.

Where you hurt is in just playing bad record teams (your opponents win pct). There's a breakdown of those numbers on Ragin Pagin by GoneGolfin. He breaks down the remaining Cajuns remaining schedule
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(04-28-2015 10:37 AM)wcd35 Wrote:  
(04-27-2015 09:32 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  Playing App st #234 and ULM #213 will hurt the Cajuns even if they sweep them both.. If they lose then it's gonna really drop

As it has been mentioned, the RPI ranking doesnt matter, it's the W-L record. ULM isnt a terrible game as it stands (though that may change by the time we play them.)

Also, if the Cajuns are to lose, it is better to do it on the road to one of those teams than at home where a loss hurts more (1.3x vs 0.7x). The portion of the RPI that takes into account the result of your games is your adjusted win pct with home/road factors. That part of the RPI does not take into account the record of which team you lose to or which teams beat you, only where the loss occurs. Losing to UALR (#181) on the road hurts less than losing to Stony Brook (#63 RPI) at home.

Where you hurt is in just playing bad record teams (your opponents win pct). There's a breakdown of those numbers on Ragin Pagin by GoneGolfin. He breaks down the remaining Cajuns remaining schedule
wcd35 is correct. As I have been saying for years, the RPI impact of a scheduled game is much more about the opponent's WP than it is their RPI rank (the two do not necessarily correlate and the trick is to find the hidden gems). This is why Alabama is not really a benefit to the Cajuns' RPI, other than that it was two road wins (which you can get anywhere). Though it does help in that the Cajuns were able to notch two wins against the RPI Top 50 … but we are talking calculating the RPI here, not the other selection committee criteria.

When scheduling, you want your OWP to be significantly higher than your OOWP. That is, you want your opponents to have lofty winning percentages … and they have a better chance at having lofty winning percentages if they schedule weaker opponents (weaker OWP). There are several other axioms of my RPI scheduling approach, but this is the most important.

With respect to home vs. road losses above … not quite correct. Yes, it is better to lose on the road vs. at home … but only if your adjusted winning percentage is over .500. Else, the reverse is true. Also, the reasoning is not quite as you state above. A loss at home and a win on the road is an adjusted W/L of 1.3 wins and 1.3 losses. A win at home and a loss on the road is an adjusted W/L of 0.7 wins and 0.7 losses. As you can see, adding 1.3 wins and 1.3 losses to your adjusted WP is going to have a modestly more negative impact than adding 0.7 wins and 0.7 losses if you have an adjusted WP of over .500. The converse is true if your adjusted WP is under .500.

As for the Cajuns' RPI and their upcoming games …

Winning the home game vs. New Orleans and going 3-1 on the road at Nicholls State and Appalachian State (3) will result in an RPI fall to .56178 from .56588 (all other things being equal). OWP would fall to .53474 from .55592. An RPI of .56178 would result in a fall to #42 in this week's RPI rankings. However, that is mostly due to teams between #30 and #43 being packed nicely together.

After weathering the UNO and Appalachian State OWP storm, South Alabama and ULM will be a nice reprieve and an opportunity to climb higher. Going 2-1 vs. South Alabama and 2-1 vs. ULM would bring their RPI higher to about .56335 (all other things being equal) … putting them at about #38 in this week's rankings.

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(04-27-2015 10:01 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  What's hurting USA is that we played so many home games,
It is a huge RPI advantage to schedule winnable road games. Too many teams mess this up and schedule too few road games. The NCAA botched the weighting of home/road in the formula. Teams should take advantage (especially mid-majors) while it remains in its present form.

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