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(04-15-2015 03:15 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  We don't need to be digging into the Big South for expansion, period.

Exactly. In addition, they'll be covering the full cost by having fooled folks across the country for the last decade into attending an online program where many cannot get an entry level position upon graduation. Their online degrees aren't worth the paper they are printed on. And at this point, they should get no more recognition than University of Phoenix.

(04-15-2015 03:18 PM)HeadsetGuy Wrote:  I imagine not everyone in C-USA wanted us; rather new to FCS, not in FBS...I can see that our profile back in the day wasn't very 'national', let alone the CAA affiliation

We had (until 2013) a very competitive basketball team (4 NCAA bids and an NIT Final Four) and an up and coming football team that came within a 4th and 29 miracle of winning arguably the toughest FCS conference in the country both years in which we were in it.

Liberty has....???

Liberty and ODU are now, and always have been, worlds apart in perception. I wouldn't compare ODU from 2012 to LU ever.

my point was that in Texas or Louisiana I doubt many folks differentiate between the CAA and the Big South...Liberty would be better off in the Sun Belt Conference, than the C-USA, I agree; but there was a leap of faith when any conference adds someone: Northeastern, Drexel, Georgia State the F?Us have hurt some conferences...ODU, APPState and Georgia Southern have been a boon for other conferences

(04-15-2015 03:28 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  Liberty and ODU are now, and always have been, worlds apart in perception. I wouldn't compare ODU from 2012 to LU ever.

Hear, hear.

(04-15-2015 03:29 PM)HeadsetGuy Wrote:  my point was that in Texas or Louisiana I doubt many folks differentiate between the CAA and the Big South...Liberty would be better off in the Sun Belt Conference, than the C-USA, I agree; but there was a leap of faith when any conference adds someone: Northeastern, Drexel, Georgia State the F?Us have hurt some conferences...ODU, APPState and Georgia Southern have been a boom for other conferences

JMU should be the only expansion option for CUSA in the state of Virginia.

(04-15-2015 03:25 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 03:18 PM)HeadsetGuy Wrote:  I imagine not everyone in C-USA wanted us; rather new to FCS, not in FBS...I can see that our profile back in the day wasn't very 'national', let alone the CAA affiliation

We had (until 2013) a very competitive basketball team (4 NCAA bids and an NIT Final Four) and an up and coming football team that came within a 4th and 29 miracle of winning arguably the toughest FCS conference in the country both years in which we were in it.

Liberty has....???

We're also located in a large media market, have a history of strong attendance for BB & FB, have quality athletic facilities, and have access to a good recruiting area. Aside from some of their athletic facilities, LU has none of the above.

Personally, I'm fine with only 3 FBS teams in Virginia.

the problem in JMU to the C-USA is of course JMU itself (and its own seven purple vices: hubris, delusion, apathy, confusion, grandeur, temerity, forethought)...

(04-15-2015 03:32 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 03:29 PM)HeadsetGuy Wrote:  my point was that in Texas or Louisiana I doubt many folks differentiate between the CAA and the Big South...Liberty would be better off in the Sun Belt Conference, than the C-USA, I agree; but there was a leap of faith when any conference adds someone: Northeastern, Drexel, Georgia State the F?Us have hurt some conferences...ODU, APPState and Georgia Southern have been a boom for other conferences

JMU should be the only expansion option for CUSA in the East.

FIFY. We don't need any more low budget Slum Belt schools.

(04-15-2015 03:38 PM)HeadsetGuy Wrote:  the problem in JMU to the C-USA is of course JMU itself (and its own seven purple vices: hubris, delusion, apathy, confusion, grandeur, temerity, forethought)...

Better than helping build the Falwell's wealth, who as mentioned has taken advantage of students for years. Look into what they and the other massive online for profit institutions have done to take advantage of our veterans. If you're not disgusted after by the mere mention of their name, I will be shocked.

I have interviewed to work for some for-profit universities (I don't call LU a for-profit per se) and its ugly (what some had admitted to in hiring interviews is troubling); with that said...Liberty University has positioned itself to be the 4th FBS school in the Commonwealth, whether our individual views coincide with that reality...JMU should have beaten ODU to the invite (that they have had a long-time advantage and squandered it is funny) and have been the better choice over LU for the last decade...but in terms of readiness, IF Virginia were to have 4 FBS schools, I don't see JMU over LU currently...I think the Sun Belt takes them (LU), once June 8th happens, UAB leaves and C-USA takes 1-3 Sun Belt teams.

(04-15-2015 03:07 PM)Fatalisk Wrote:  I'd rather CUSA be limited to universities. Besides, if they went FBS it would hurt recruiting. Does Liberty even have a basketball team?

Yeah...Seth Curry played there before transferring.

(04-15-2015 03:38 PM)HeadsetGuy Wrote:  the problem in JMU to the C-USA is of course JMU itself (and its own seven purple vices: hubris, delusion, apathy, confusion, grandeur, temerity, forethought)...

That may be the funniest post I've ever read...

(04-15-2015 03:53 PM)HeadsetGuy Wrote:  I have interviewed to work for some for-profit universities (I don't call LU a for-profit per se) and its ugly (what some had admitted to in hiring interviews is troubling); with that said...Liberty University has positioned itself to be the 4th FBS school in the Commonwealth, whether our individual views coincide with that reality...JMU should have beaten ODU to the invite (that they have had a long-time advantage and squandered it is funny) and have been the better choice over LU for the last decade...but in terms of readiness, IF Virginia were to have 4 FBS schools, I don't see JMU over LU currently...I think the Sun Belt takes them (LU), once June 8th happens, UAB leaves and C-USA takes 1-3 Sun Belt teams.

The crazy thing is, while they have had football longer, they've been a school much less time than ODU. Yet, in some rankings categories (not all) they are placed higher than ODU.

I would think the SB takes the Dukes over the Flames if they choose to move, if not they take LU. Liberty brings a lot of benefits with it, mainly their own media network. I wouldnt mind seeing them in CUSA because they have good fans, nice facilities, their strong media network and its a close drive and in-state rival. JMU would be better. So would App St or GSU (either of them), but LU isn't all bad. In fact, as bad as the Belt is, it would be fun to be in a conference with App, GSU, LU, GSU2. Heck, if you add JMU, ODU, UNCC to the mix, I'd kind of like it. Crappy hoops, but for football it'd be fun.

LU is in deed a sleeping giant.
EverRespect is right on:

(04-15-2015 01:58 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Liberty is a sleeping giant, whether you like their religious and/or political views or not. If they ever make themselves relevant, they will bring in monster ratings. Everyone that loves them and hates them will tune in. Call them the Tebow of the NCAAs. BYU/Notre Dame on crack.

Consider:
1, Unlike ODU and others, LU doesn't need to reside in a large TV market. LU, like VT already has a National brand.
2. As a private, Liberty is not subject to the whims and trends in the political process. Thus, in large part, it controls it's own destiny. Can you say Cox Legislation?
3. And probably the most relevant point, Liberty has almost limitless resources. Apparently substantially more than Notre Dame and BYU. Indeed "BYU/Notre Dame on crack".

Now, I personally don't agree with much of the socio-religious aspects of LU, but any of you that were at the game when Liberty came to town would likely admit that their fans are certainly more gracious, mature, and palatable than say the JMU riff raff eh?

(04-15-2015 04:05 PM)ODU2003 Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 03:38 PM)HeadsetGuy Wrote:  the problem in JMU to the C-USA is of course JMU itself (and its own seven purple vices: hubris, delusion, apathy, confusion, grandeur, temerity, forethought)...

That may be the funniest post I've ever read...

it took me a couple of minutes to find just the right words...I started going for seven purple dwarves (too easy to get out of hand) and went with the purple vices

(04-15-2015 03:46 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 03:38 PM)HeadsetGuy Wrote:  the problem in JMU to the C-USA is of course JMU itself (and its own seven purple vices: hubris, delusion, apathy, confusion, grandeur, temerity, forethought)...

Better than helping build the Falwell's wealth, who as mentioned has taken advantage of students for years. Look into what they and the other massive online for profit institutions have done to take advantage of our veterans. If you're not disgusted after by the mere mention of their name, I will be shocked.

I dont think LU is a for profit like Phoenix, Strayer etc. I've known a few people to go there and liked it. They have real sports and have been to the NCAAs a few times. Its accreditted. Not for everyone, but neither is BYU. Thats what they want to be. The protestant BYU/Notre Dame. And ODU has online programs and takes a ton of money from Veterans as well. Thats why they get those benefits. To spend at schools for education.

(04-15-2015 03:38 PM)HeadsetGuy Wrote:  the problem in JMU to the C-USA is of course JMU itself (and its own seven purple vices: hubris, delusion, apathy, confusion, grandeur, temerity, forethought)...

wish I could refute those adjectives, but they seem pretty damn accurate from where I'm sitting.

No issues with Liberty as a school. They have their niche and do a good job of filling it.

Just don't want them in CUSA. They would be a poor replacement for UAB.