(04-15-2015 11:32 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 11:27 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 11:24 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 11:18 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 11:17 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  There isn't a black person in the US today, who was born in the US, that was a slave.

So, where is that relevant?

Because their former status is why we have these sorts of problem in this country today.

That's always the fallback position and when you entrench into it we all end up in a situation of "well whatever" then. It's never constructive.

It also fails to consider the poor whites who are also abused, as if they don't matter at all because they do not have some sort of historical excuse.

The fact remains however that you could take a poor black person and a poor white person and put both of them in an opportunity to succeed and the black person would experience more difficulty by vertue of his race because racism is still prevailant in this country.

Can you honestly say that?

The black kid would have to get 100 points lower on an SAT to get into the same school.

And that is just a single instance of advantage.

You can say, "well racism" all you want but it goes right back to that entrenched mindset that benefits nobody.

You take a very poor white trash kid from the middle of nowhere and an inner city child of street trash welfare queen and they will have the same outcome. There is no racial advantage among those at the bottom, none.

Advantage is all about resources, no colour.

truism...

The "well racism" mindset is a non starter when it comes to a solution.

Nobody, not even the bleeding hearts, is willing to send their kid to the ****** inner city school so that some stranger can have the advantage their kid was born into. Until that happens you aren't going to see a change.

You can't sit around and scream racism if you yourself aren't willing to trade whatever little advantage you may offer your kid. It's easy to try to give away the advantage others may offer their kids.

Add to that the fact many of us work so we can provide for others and you have the final part of the conundrum. I'm not working so that when I have kids I can send my kid to the black public school and pick a random black kid to send to private school in his place to correct some historical inequity. My kid only has one shot.

(04-15-2015 11:33 AM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 11:27 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 11:24 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 11:18 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 11:17 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  There isn't a black person in the US today, who was born in the US, that was a slave.

So, where is that relevant?

Because their former status is why we have these sorts of problem in this country today.

That's always the fallback position and when you entrench into it we all end up in a situation of "well whatever" then. It's never constructive.

It also fails to consider the poor whites who are also abused, as if they don't matter at all because they do not have some sort of historical excuse.

The fact remains however that you could take a poor black person and a poor white person and put both of them in an opportunity to succeed and the black person would experience more difficulty by vertue of his race because racism is still prevailant in this country.

Do you have proof of this? Many programs and funding go to attempting to get poor black kids out of poverty/the ghetto. There aren't any programs designed to exclusively get kids out of the trailer park.

go figure that nobody wantz to talks ans ax about hirins da ghettos....his logic is beyond repair....it's no different than how I view a potential hire....I've turned down white boys for the same fkn reason....

(04-15-2015 11:32 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 11:27 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 11:24 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 11:18 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 11:17 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  There isn't a black person in the US today, who was born in the US, that was a slave.

So, where is that relevant?

Because their former status is why we have these sorts of problem in this country today.

That's always the fallback position and when you entrench into it we all end up in a situation of "well whatever" then. It's never constructive.

It also fails to consider the poor whites who are also abused, as if they don't matter at all because they do not have some sort of historical excuse.

The fact remains however that you could take a poor black person and a poor white person and put both of them in an opportunity to succeed and the black person would experience more difficulty by vertue of his race because racism is still prevailant in this country.

Can you honestly say that?

The black kid would have to get 100 points lower on an SAT to get into the same school.

And that is just a single instance of advantage.

You can say, "well racism" all you want but it goes right back to that entrenched mindset that benefits nobody.

You take a very poor white trash kid from the middle of nowhere and an inner city child of street trash welfare queen and they will have the same outcome. There is no racial advantage among those at the bottom, none.

Advantage is all about resources, no colour.

History has proven that people of color are discriminated against even when all other things are equal. That is why affirmative action was necessary. That is why children of color have to be accepted with lower scores. To offset the racism that still exists in this country.

(04-15-2015 11:37 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The "well racism" mindset is a non starter when it comes to a solution.

Nobody, not even the bleeding hearts, is willing to send their kid to the ****** inner city school so that some stranger can have the advantage their kid was born into. Until that happens you aren't going to see a change.

You can't sit around and scream racism if you yourself aren't willing to trade whatever little advantage you may offer your kid. It's easy to try to give away the advantage others may offer their kids.

Add to that the fact many of us work so we can provide for others and you have the final part of the conundrum. I'm not working so that when I have kids I can send my kid to the black public school and pick a random black kid to send to private school in his place to correct some historical inequity. My kid only has one shot.

how many parents have sacrificed to give their kids an advantage.....

I know who the selfish are.....I see it every fkn day.....

(04-15-2015 11:37 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 11:32 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 11:27 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 11:24 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 11:18 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Because their former status is why we have these sorts of problem in this country today.

That's always the fallback position and when you entrench into it we all end up in a situation of "well whatever" then. It's never constructive.

It also fails to consider the poor whites who are also abused, as if they don't matter at all because they do not have some sort of historical excuse.

The fact remains however that you could take a poor black person and a poor white person and put both of them in an opportunity to succeed and the black person would experience more difficulty by vertue of his race because racism is still prevailant in this country.

Can you honestly say that?

The black kid would have to get 100 points lower on an SAT to get into the same school.

And that is just a single instance of advantage.

You can say, "well racism" all you want but it goes right back to that entrenched mindset that benefits nobody.

You take a very poor white trash kid from the middle of nowhere and an inner city child of street trash welfare queen and they will have the same outcome. There is no racial advantage among those at the bottom, none.

Advantage is all about resources, no colour.

History has proven that people of color are discriminated against even when all other things are equal. That is why affirmative action was necessary. That is why children of color have to be accepted with lower scores. To offset the racism that still exists in this country.

Will Tiger Woods' kids have advantages over mine? What about Magic Johnson's?

It's about money, not race.

You are saying all the the right things if you believe tilting the field helps anything.

However, you do have to apply common sense at a point. There was an article on here recently about how much easier it is for a black kid to get into medical school. Well, common sense says that the average black doctor isn't as capable then. You only have one life, will you think twice?

Now, when you do will you think I am going to trade my one life or the quality of it to give this guy a chance because historical inequality?

I'm not saying there is inherent difference I am saying that the actions you talk about have other results and consequences. Like Clarence Tomas said, and has been proven right, you create a system of 'you are pretty smart, for a black guy.'

That isn't equality. You can't create it. It can only be earned. That always comes across as harsh and unfair but we all know it is the truth. What is given and what is earned is never looked at the same.

(04-15-2015 11:38 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 11:37 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The "well racism" mindset is a non starter when it comes to a solution.

Nobody, not even the bleeding hearts, is willing to send their kid to the ****** inner city school so that some stranger can have the advantage their kid was born into. Until that happens you aren't going to see a change.

You can't sit around and scream racism if you yourself aren't willing to trade whatever little advantage you may offer your kid. It's easy to try to give away the advantage others may offer their kids.

Add to that the fact many of us work so we can provide for others and you have the final part of the conundrum. I'm not working so that when I have kids I can send my kid to the black public school and pick a random black kid to send to private school in his place to correct some historical inequity. My kid only has one shot.

how many parents have sacrificed to give their kids an advantage.....

I know who the selfish are.....I see it every fkn day.....

Who? LOL

(04-15-2015 11:37 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 11:32 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 11:27 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 11:24 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 11:18 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Because their former status is why we have these sorts of problem in this country today.

That's always the fallback position and when you entrench into it we all end up in a situation of "well whatever" then. It's never constructive.

It also fails to consider the poor whites who are also abused, as if they don't matter at all because they do not have some sort of historical excuse.

The fact remains however that you could take a poor black person and a poor white person and put both of them in an opportunity to succeed and the black person would experience more difficulty by vertue of his race because racism is still prevailant in this country.

Can you honestly say that?

The black kid would have to get 100 points lower on an SAT to get into the same school.

And that is just a single instance of advantage.

You can say, "well racism" all you want but it goes right back to that entrenched mindset that benefits nobody.

You take a very poor white trash kid from the middle of nowhere and an inner city child of street trash welfare queen and they will have the same outcome. There is no racial advantage among those at the bottom, none.

Advantage is all about resources, no colour.

History has proven that people of color are discriminated against even when all other things are equal. That is why affirmative action was necessary. That is why children of color have to be accepted with lower scores. To offset the racism that still exists in this country.

The whole idea of "unequal footing" is not just opinion, it is based in the cold, hard facts that blacks and other minorities in the US do not have the same opportunities as the majority white population. Now, you can argue the reason for this, but inherently it is a racist ideology to say that one group should be favored or given a pass over the other.

(04-15-2015 11:37 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 11:32 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 11:27 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 11:24 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 11:18 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Because their former status is why we have these sorts of problem in this country today.

That's always the fallback position and when you entrench into it we all end up in a situation of "well whatever" then. It's never constructive.

It also fails to consider the poor whites who are also abused, as if they don't matter at all because they do not have some sort of historical excuse.

The fact remains however that you could take a poor black person and a poor white person and put both of them in an opportunity to succeed and the black person would experience more difficulty by vertue of his race because racism is still prevailant in this country.

Can you honestly say that?

The black kid would have to get 100 points lower on an SAT to get into the same school.

And that is just a single instance of advantage.

You can say, "well racism" all you want but it goes right back to that entrenched mindset that benefits nobody.

You take a very poor white trash kid from the middle of nowhere and an inner city child of street trash welfare queen and they will have the same outcome. There is no racial advantage among those at the bottom, none.

Advantage is all about resources, no colour.

History has proven that people of color are discriminated against even when all other things are equal. That is why affirmative action was necessary. That is why children of color have to be accepted with lower scores. To offset the racism that still exists in this country.

we all know prejudicial tendencies exist.....how long do you think it took me to overcome that....

fk you with the color aspect....we all have to fight for prosperity...

that's what you fkrs have forgotten....that's how we got to this point....

and when I say you fkrs, I don't care what color your skin is.....it's irrelevant it wanting to prosper....

you don't have a clue about multi-cultural development......

I would never hire you to sweep as an entry level position......

it's people like you that contribute to the problem....it's your lack of acknowledging incentive and ability....

oh wellzy....

(04-15-2015 11:44 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 11:38 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 11:37 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The "well racism" mindset is a non starter when it comes to a solution.

Nobody, not even the bleeding hearts, is willing to send their kid to the ****** inner city school so that some stranger can have the advantage their kid was born into. Until that happens you aren't going to see a change.

You can't sit around and scream racism if you yourself aren't willing to trade whatever little advantage you may offer your kid. It's easy to try to give away the advantage others may offer their kids.

Add to that the fact many of us work so we can provide for others and you have the final part of the conundrum. I'm not working so that when I have kids I can send my kid to the black public school and pick a random black kid to send to private school in his place to correct some historical inequity. My kid only has one shot.

how many parents have sacrificed to give their kids an advantage.....

I know who the selfish are.....I see it every fkn day.....

Who? LOL

lmao....since you asked....

(04-15-2015 11:50 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  we all know prejudicial tendencies exist.....how long do you think it took me to overcome that....

fk you with the color aspect....we all have to fight for prosperity...

that's what you fkrs have forgotten....that's how we got to this point....

and when I say you fkrs, I don't care what color your skin is.....it's irrelevant it wanting to prosper....

you don't have a clue about multi-cultural development......

I would never hire you to sweep as an entry level position......

it's people like you that contribute to the problem....it's your lack of acknowledging incentive and ability....

oh wellzy....

It's not all about personal prejudices. The way the structure itself is set up is in a way that discriminates against minorities in one way or the other. That really isn't anyone's "fault", per se, but choosing to ignore that asymmetry and claiming that everything is fine and everyone always has the same opportunities is, most claim, a faulty view. Yes, everyone has to fight for position in society, but it is clear through research of people and society that some people have to work harder than others. Therefore, it is clear that society in and of itself has a 'stacked deck' against minorities.

(04-15-2015 11:53 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 11:44 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 11:38 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 11:37 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The "well racism" mindset is a non starter when it comes to a solution.

Nobody, not even the bleeding hearts, is willing to send their kid to the ****** inner city school so that some stranger can have the advantage their kid was born into. Until that happens you aren't going to see a change.

You can't sit around and scream racism if you yourself aren't willing to trade whatever little advantage you may offer your kid. It's easy to try to give away the advantage others may offer their kids.

Add to that the fact many of us work so we can provide for others and you have the final part of the conundrum. I'm not working so that when I have kids I can send my kid to the black public school and pick a random black kid to send to private school in his place to correct some historical inequity. My kid only has one shot.

how many parents have sacrificed to give their kids an advantage.....

I know who the selfish are.....I see it every fkn day.....

Who? LOL

lmao....since you asked....

I'm calling that post of the day. lol

(04-15-2015 11:57 AM)Ole Blue Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 11:50 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  we all know prejudicial tendencies exist.....how long do you think it took me to overcome that....

fk you with the color aspect....we all have to fight for prosperity...

that's what you fkrs have forgotten....that's how we got to this point....

and when I say you fkrs, I don't care what color your skin is.....it's irrelevant it wanting to prosper....

you don't have a clue about multi-cultural development......

I would never hire you to sweep as an entry level position......

it's people like you that contribute to the problem....it's your lack of acknowledging incentive and ability....

oh wellzy....

It's not all about personal prejudices. The way the structure itself is set up is in a way that discriminates against minorities in one way or the other. That really isn't anyone's "fault", per se, but choosing to ignore that asymmetry and claiming that everything is fine and everyone always has the same opportunities is, most claim, a faulty view. Yes, everyone has to fight for position in society, but it is clear through research of people and society that some people have to work harder than others. Therefore, it is clear that society in and of itself has a 'stacked deck' against minorities.

In 2015, it is not clear at all. Having resources as one grows up helps a lot, but even people (any color) that grow up poor can succeed.

IMO, the biggest problem is that those that grow up poor (their family is obviously poor) have no role models close to them that can help show the way to success. The path to success is all too often an unknown, but that's not due to an inherent prejudice of "the man keeping them down", it's more that the family they come from has no clue how to succeed.

We can't legislate equal outcomes - just make sure that opportunity is available.

Much of this is easy to say but people don't want to talk about where the rubber meets the road.

Like I said, it is easy to say when it is somebody else talking the shaft but not so when it is you.

In keeping with the 'your kid' analogy I've been talking about, say your kid decides he wants to go to school X and works and studies his ass off to get there. When decision time comes around it becomes obvious that your kid was pushed aside and a kid or kids with lower grades and scores were let in for all the reasons we've discussed on this thread.

Will you have the same things to say to your kid that have been said here? "Son, I know you worked hard and earned a spot but we have to redress the balance so your future has to be curtailed a bit to make up for something you didn't do or cause."

Where the rubber meets the road

(04-15-2015 11:43 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 11:37 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 11:32 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 11:27 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 11:24 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  That's always the fallback position and when you entrench into it we all end up in a situation of "well whatever" then. It's never constructive.

It also fails to consider the poor whites who are also abused, as if they don't matter at all because they do not have some sort of historical excuse.

The fact remains however that you could take a poor black person and a poor white person and put both of them in an opportunity to succeed and the black person would experience more difficulty by vertue of his race because racism is still prevailant in this country.

Can you honestly say that?

The black kid would have to get 100 points lower on an SAT to get into the same school.

And that is just a single instance of advantage.

You can say, "well racism" all you want but it goes right back to that entrenched mindset that benefits nobody.

You take a very poor white trash kid from the middle of nowhere and an inner city child of street trash welfare queen and they will have the same outcome. There is no racial advantage among those at the bottom, none.

Advantage is all about resources, no colour.

History has proven that people of color are discriminated against even when all other things are equal. That is why affirmative action was necessary. That is why children of color have to be accepted with lower scores. To offset the racism that still exists in this country.

Will Tiger Woods' kids have advantages over mine? What about Magic Johnson's?

It's about money, not race.

You are saying all the the right things if you believe tilting the field helps anything.

However, you do have to apply common sense at a point. There was an article on here recently about how much easier it is for a black kid to get into medical school. Well, common sense says that the average black doctor isn't as capable then. You only have one life, will you think twice?

Now, when you do will you think I am going to trade my one life or the quality of it to give this guy a chance because historical inequality?

I'm not saying there is inherent difference I am saying that the actions you talk about have other results and consequences. Like Clarence Tomas said, and has been proven right, you create a system of 'you are pretty smart, for a black guy.'

That isn't equality. You can't create it. It can only be earned. That always comes across as harsh and unfair but we all know it is the truth. What is given and what is earned is never looked at the same.

But I'm not talking about equality. I'm talking about being fair.

Fair is not always equal.

Blacks in this country were treated like second class citizens for over two centuries. It is only fair that we do everything we can to correct that problem and the after effects of that problem.

(04-15-2015 12:06 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 11:43 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 11:37 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 11:32 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 11:27 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  The fact remains however that you could take a poor black person and a poor white person and put both of them in an opportunity to succeed and the black person would experience more difficulty by vertue of his race because racism is still prevailant in this country.

Can you honestly say that?

The black kid would have to get 100 points lower on an SAT to get into the same school.

And that is just a single instance of advantage.

You can say, "well racism" all you want but it goes right back to that entrenched mindset that benefits nobody.

You take a very poor white trash kid from the middle of nowhere and an inner city child of street trash welfare queen and they will have the same outcome. There is no racial advantage among those at the bottom, none.

Advantage is all about resources, no colour.

History has proven that people of color are discriminated against even when all other things are equal. That is why affirmative action was necessary. That is why children of color have to be accepted with lower scores. To offset the racism that still exists in this country.

Will Tiger Woods' kids have advantages over mine? What about Magic Johnson's?

It's about money, not race.

You are saying all the the right things if you believe tilting the field helps anything.

However, you do have to apply common sense at a point. There was an article on here recently about how much easier it is for a black kid to get into medical school. Well, common sense says that the average black doctor isn't as capable then. You only have one life, will you think twice?

Now, when you do will you think I am going to trade my one life or the quality of it to give this guy a chance because historical inequality?

I'm not saying there is inherent difference I am saying that the actions you talk about have other results and consequences. Like Clarence Tomas said, and has been proven right, you create a system of 'you are pretty smart, for a black guy.'

That isn't equality. You can't create it. It can only be earned. That always comes across as harsh and unfair but we all know it is the truth. What is given and what is earned is never looked at the same.

But I'm not talking about equality. I'm talking about being fair.

Fair is not always equal.

Blacks in this country were treated like second class citizens for over two centuries. It is only fair that we do everything we can to correct that problem and the after effects of that problem.

So, why don't you do that?

I'm not saying this to be a smartass. Read my post above and tell me what your answer for your kid would be.

There is the grand philosophical point and then there is the harsh nitty gritty reality of that.

It's much like choosing to bomb people. It's easy to say bomb Iraq or nuke this place. But, when you see what it does to people or you see it happen to you it changes your perception a bit.

Money does have it's advantages however, that doesn't stop cops from pulling you over because you are black.

Chris Rock and other rich, black celebrities have explained how they have even had to purchase middle class cars to stop getting pulled over by the cops.

(04-15-2015 12:04 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 11:57 AM)Ole Blue Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 11:50 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  we all know prejudicial tendencies exist.....how long do you think it took me to overcome that....

fk you with the color aspect....we all have to fight for prosperity...

that's what you fkrs have forgotten....that's how we got to this point....

and when I say you fkrs, I don't care what color your skin is.....it's irrelevant it wanting to prosper....

you don't have a clue about multi-cultural development......

I would never hire you to sweep as an entry level position......

it's people like you that contribute to the problem....it's your lack of acknowledging incentive and ability....

oh wellzy....

It's not all about personal prejudices. The way the structure itself is set up is in a way that discriminates against minorities in one way or the other. That really isn't anyone's "fault", per se, but choosing to ignore that asymmetry and claiming that everything is fine and everyone always has the same opportunities is, most claim, a faulty view. Yes, everyone has to fight for position in society, but it is clear through research of people and society that some people have to work harder than others. Therefore, it is clear that society in and of itself has a 'stacked deck' against minorities.

In 2015, it is not clear at all. Having resources as one grows up helps a lot, but even people (any color) that grow up poor can succeed.

IMO, the biggest problem is that those that grow up poor (their family is obviously poor) have no role models close to them that can help show the way to success. The path to success is all too often an unknown, but that's not due to an inherent prejudice of "the man keeping them down", it's more that the family they come from has no clue how to succeed.

We can't legislate equal outcomes - just make sure that opportunity is available.

XACLY!

and HOD got the post below yours right too....

there is no such thing as 'privilege'....

what's sad is this won't change until those realize how it reflects relative to negativity....

and I don't see that ever happening until genetics takes over and the virus is intentionally introduced (yeah, much further in the future....but I see no other outcome....screw the machine taking over theories)

(04-15-2015 12:11 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Money does have it's advantages however, that doesn't stop cops from pulling you over because you are black.

Chris Rock and other rich, black celebrities have explained how they have even had to purchase middle class cars to stop getting pulled over by the cops.

that is just flat out pointless in relative terms and micro in thought.....

why should I feel sorry for that?

I don't want to be famous. so, b/c I don't want to be famous I am supposed to sympathize with those that have to deal with the choice they made to become famous.....that's just godddam stupid....

race is not relevant today unless you are getting stomped on due to other variables...I could make the argument the 'single white divorced male' is getting stomped on......but I won't....

oh wellzy....I'm just going to continue to laugh.....

(04-15-2015 12:12 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 12:04 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 11:57 AM)Ole Blue Wrote:  

(04-15-2015 11:50 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  we all know prejudicial tendencies exist.....how long do you think it took me to overcome that....

fk you with the color aspect....we all have to fight for prosperity...

that's what you fkrs have forgotten....that's how we got to this point....

and when I say you fkrs, I don't care what color your skin is.....it's irrelevant it wanting to prosper....

you don't have a clue about multi-cultural development......

I would never hire you to sweep as an entry level position......

it's people like you that contribute to the problem....it's your lack of acknowledging incentive and ability....

oh wellzy....

It's not all about personal prejudices. The way the structure itself is set up is in a way that discriminates against minorities in one way or the other. That really isn't anyone's "fault", per se, but choosing to ignore that asymmetry and claiming that everything is fine and everyone always has the same opportunities is, most claim, a faulty view. Yes, everyone has to fight for position in society, but it is clear through research of people and society that some people have to work harder than others. Therefore, it is clear that society in and of itself has a 'stacked deck' against minorities.

In 2015, it is not clear at all. Having resources as one grows up helps a lot, but even people (any color) that grow up poor can succeed.

IMO, the biggest problem is that those that grow up poor (their family is obviously poor) have no role models close to them that can help show the way to success. The path to success is all too often an unknown, but that's not due to an inherent prejudice of "the man keeping them down", it's more that the family they come from has no clue how to succeed.

We can't legislate equal outcomes - just make sure that opportunity is available.

XACLY!

and HOD got the post below yours right too....

there is no such thing as 'privilege'....

what's sad is this won't change until those realize how it reflects relative to negativity....

and I don't see that ever happening until genetics takes over and the virus is intentionally introduced (yeah, much further in the future....but I see no other outcome....screw the machine taking over theories)

NO one would deny that fact that by virtue of being white in this country, you were priviledged in that you never had to be a slave. That is the origin of "white priviledge"