(04-05-2015 02:46 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-05-2015 01:22 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Cai is the best recruiter in the history of college BB.

Coach K is the best HC in in the game has had more success than Cal ever will. More championships (with less talent than Cal) and a better legacy.

End of factual statements.

Quote:Cal is the best recruiter in the history of college BB.

Yes

Quote:Coach K is the best HC in in the game has had more success than Cal ever will. More championships (with less talent than Cal) and a better legacy.

Best coach in the game? - No, Cal is better right now
More success than Cal ever? - Debatable, Coack K, 34 years at Duke, Cal 16 years Memphis/Kentucky
More championships - Yes, and probably over time yes because Cal won't last 18 more years
Better legacy - Yes

Last 10 Years
Cal
1 - NIT
1 - Sweet 16
3 - Elite 8
5 - Final Four
2 - National Runner Up
1 - National Champion
8 - Elite 8 or better
9 - Sweet 16 or better

Coach K
3 - Round of 64
1 - Round of 32
3 - Sweet 16
1 - Elite 8
2 - Final Four
0/1 National Runner Up
1/2 National Champion
3 - Elite 8 or better
6 - Sweet 16 or better

Cal probably won't stick it out another 10 years, so Coach's K's 4 NC's (and maybe 5) are safe. Over the last 10 years, Cal is much better than Coach K. It is a bloodbath.

Swap teams and Coach K would most likely have 6 and maybe 7 NC right now. No teams since the UCLA Wooden days has had the major gap in talent over the other teams that Cal has had the past 6-10 years.

(04-05-2015 06:13 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(04-05-2015 02:46 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-05-2015 01:22 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Cai is the best recruiter in the history of college BB.

Coach K is the best HC in in the game has had more success than Cal ever will. More championships (with less talent than Cal) and a better legacy.

End of factual statements.

Quote:Cal is the best recruiter in the history of college BB.

Yes

Quote:Coach K is the best HC in in the game has had more success than Cal ever will. More championships (with less talent than Cal) and a better legacy.

Best coach in the game? - No, Cal is better right now
More success than Cal ever? - Debatable, Coack K, 34 years at Duke, Cal 16 years Memphis/Kentucky
More championships - Yes, and probably over time yes because Cal won't last 18 more years
Better legacy - Yes

Last 10 Years
Cal
1 - NIT
1 - Sweet 16
3 - Elite 8
5 - Final Four
2 - National Runner Up
1 - National Champion
8 - Elite 8 or better
9 - Sweet 16 or better

Coach K
3 - Round of 64
1 - Round of 32
3 - Sweet 16
1 - Elite 8
2 - Final Four
0/1 National Runner Up
1/2 National Champion
3 - Elite 8 or better
6 - Sweet 16 or better

Cal probably won't stick it out another 10 years, so Coach's K's 4 NC's (and maybe 5) are safe. Over the last 10 years, Cal is much better than Coach K. It is a bloodbath.

Swap teams and Coach K would most likely have 6 and maybe 7 NC right now. No teams since the UCLA Wooden days has had the major gap in talent over the other teams that Cal has had the past 6-10 years.

Haha; Coach K gets GREAT talent, often gets top talent to stay in school longer than a year and often flames out early. He has only made it to the Elite 8 or better 3 times in the last 10 years. Cal has done it 8 times. The only Memphis team that had great talent was the 2008 team. Kentucky's team that made the Final Four last year, overachieved greatly.

Coach K often flames out a lot earlier than he should.

(04-03-2015 09:19 AM)80sTiger Wrote:  I just never, ever get tired of hearing the coach of our Memphis Tigers praise Calipari. It just never gets old. Don't keep it short ... or just a quick comment and then let it go; just go on and on and on about it. We need to just appreciate it.

===

Memphis head coach Josh Pastner was on Mad Dog Sports Radio on Thursday morning, and said that what John Calipari is doing at Kentucky -- in terms of recruiting -- will never be duplicated again.

“It’s something that will never be done again, ever," Pastner said. "The way he is recruiting, at the level he is recruiting, this will never be duplicated again. So, people need to appreciate the level that it is going at, because it’s surreal. It’s at a whole other level. And it’s not going to happen again.

“He’s just the best. I don’t have any other way to put it, because I’ve been in the homes with him. The way he talks to the kids or their parents or whoever is associated with them, he’s the best. That’s the bottom line.”

I know pastner is being a good guy by talking up calipari, but things like this are why people are getting sick of him. Would you ever pitino, mata, Donovan, Izzo, or any other high level coach talk at this much length about another coach. Sure you might get a small positive nod, but not gushing like this. It's like his entire being is wrapped up in making other people feel good and saying things people want to hear. I hate to say, but he's almost too positive. Great trait if you want to be a priest or children's tv host, but not a high level basketball coach.

(04-05-2015 12:31 PM)Mtyler Wrote:  

(04-03-2015 09:19 AM)80sTiger Wrote:  I just never, ever get tired of hearing the coach of our Memphis Tigers praise Calipari. It just never gets old. Don't keep it short ... or just a quick comment and then let it go; just go on and on and on about it. We need to just appreciate it.

===

Memphis head coach Josh Pastner was on Mad Dog Sports Radio on Thursday morning, and said that what John Calipari is doing at Kentucky -- in terms of recruiting -- will never be duplicated again.

“It’s something that will never be done again, ever," Pastner said. "The way he is recruiting, at the level he is recruiting, this will never be duplicated again. So, people need to appreciate the level that it is going at, because it’s surreal. It’s at a whole other level. And it’s not going to happen again.

“He’s just the best. I don’t have any other way to put it, because I’ve been in the homes with him. The way he talks to the kids or their parents or whoever is associated with them, he’s the best. That’s the bottom line.”

I know pastner is being a good guy by talking up calipari, but things like this are why people are getting sick of him. Would you ever pitino, mata, Donovan, Izzo, or any other high level coach talk at this much length about another coach. Sure you might get a small positive nod, but not gushing like this. It's like his entire being is wrapped up in making other people feel good and saying things people want to hear. I hate to say, but he's almost too positive. Great trait if you want to be a priest or children's tv host, but not a high level basketball coach.

Exactly ... I guess most people wouldn't be quite as aggravated if you substituted Izzo for Calipari in his comments, but that's the "tone deaf" point. And even then.

(04-05-2015 08:57 AM)NJ1 Wrote:  It's called "class."

There are plenty of legitimate criticisms of Pastner's job performance, but what he's doing here is showing class. It's what he does, what he's always done. He heaps praise on rivals and adversaries. It's been his identity for the 6+ years he's been here.

Really not much to see here, IMO.

To the point that it becomes disingenuous.

(04-05-2015 08:57 AM)NJ1 Wrote:  It's called "class."

There are plenty of legitimate criticisms of Pastner's job performance, but what he's doing here is showing class. It's what he does, what he's always done. He heaps praise on rivals and adversaries. It's been his identity for the 6+ years he's been here.

Really not much to see here, IMO.

I have to disagree somewhat. I think it's quite fair to debate whether this was a smart move or not, given the current circumstances.

(04-05-2015 12:58 PM)GringoStarr Wrote:  

(04-05-2015 08:57 AM)NJ1 Wrote:  It's called "class."

There are plenty of legitimate criticisms of Pastner's job performance, but what he's doing here is showing class. It's what he does, what he's always done. He heaps praise on rivals and adversaries. It's been his identity for the 6+ years he's been here.

Really not much to see here, IMO.

To the point that it becomes disingenuous.

How do you know that he's being insincere and duplicitous?

(04-05-2015 06:13 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(04-05-2015 02:46 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-05-2015 01:22 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Cai is the best recruiter in the history of college BB.

Coach K is the best HC in in the game has had more success than Cal ever will. More championships (with less talent than Cal) and a better legacy.

End of factual statements.

Quote:Cal is the best recruiter in the history of college BB.

Yes

Quote:Coach K is the best HC in in the game has had more success than Cal ever will. More championships (with less talent than Cal) and a better legacy.

Best coach in the game? - No, Cal is better right now
More success than Cal ever? - Debatable, Coack K, 34 years at Duke, Cal 16 years Memphis/Kentucky
More championships - Yes, and probably over time yes because Cal won't last 18 more years
Better legacy - Yes

Last 10 Years
Cal
1 - NIT
1 - Sweet 16
3 - Elite 8
5 - Final Four
2 - National Runner Up
1 - National Champion
8 - Elite 8 or better
9 - Sweet 16 or better

Coach K
3 - Round of 64
1 - Round of 32
3 - Sweet 16
1 - Elite 8
2 - Final Four
0/1 National Runner Up
1/2 National Champion
3 - Elite 8 or better
6 - Sweet 16 or better

Cal probably won't stick it out another 10 years, so Coach's K's 4 NC's (and maybe 5) are safe. Over the last 10 years, Cal is much better than Coach K. It is a bloodbath.

Swap teams and Coach K would most likely have 6 and maybe 7 NC right now. No teams since the UCLA Wooden days has had the major gap in talent over the other teams that Cal has had the past 6-10 years.

For all the talk about Kentucky's most recent recruiting class of Karl Anthony Towns, Lyle, Booker and Ulis, Duke had a higher rated recruiting class with 3 top 12 players (Okafor, Jones and Winslow) including the overall #1. I picked Duke to beat Kentucky in most of my brackets. Wisconsin just beat them to it. Duke can match UKs talent

(04-03-2015 09:19 AM)80sTiger Wrote:  I just never, ever get tired of hearing the coach of our Memphis Tigers praise Calipari. It just never gets old. Don't keep it short ... or just a quick comment and then let it go; just go on and on and on about it. We need to just appreciate it.

===

Memphis head coach Josh Pastner was on Mad Dog Sports Radio on Thursday morning, and said that what John Calipari is doing at Kentucky -- in terms of recruiting -- will never be duplicated again.

“It’s something that will never be done again, ever," Pastner said. "The way he is recruiting, at the level he is recruiting, this will never be duplicated again. So, people need to appreciate the level that it is going at, because it’s surreal. It’s at a whole other level. And it’s not going to happen again.

“He’s just the best. I don’t have any other way to put it, because I’ve been in the homes with him. The way he talks to the kids or their parents or whoever is associated with them, he’s the best. That’s the bottom line.”

I think Josh is in love with Cal winning "recruiting titles" during early/regular signing periods vs actually trying to win titles.

Cal has won 6 "recruiting" titles at UK...but only one National Championship.

Almost reminds me of certain football fans that are more exciting about winning recruiting titles each Feb...even if some of those players never make it to campus and/or ever lead the team in future years to wins, titles, etc...

Bottom line...recruiting is just one part of college basketball/football...as coaches have to develop said talent to help win games/titles, etc...

(04-05-2015 06:13 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(04-05-2015 02:46 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-05-2015 01:22 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Cai is the best recruiter in the history of college BB.

Coach K is the best HC in in the game has had more success than Cal ever will. More championships (with less talent than Cal) and a better legacy.

End of factual statements.

Quote:Cal is the best recruiter in the history of college BB.

Yes

Quote:Coach K is the best HC in in the game has had more success than Cal ever will. More championships (with less talent than Cal) and a better legacy.

Best coach in the game? - No, Cal is better right now
More success than Cal ever? - Debatable, Coack K, 34 years at Duke, Cal 16 years Memphis/Kentucky
More championships - Yes, and probably over time yes because Cal won't last 18 more years
Better legacy - Yes

Last 10 Years
Cal
1 - NIT
1 - Sweet 16
3 - Elite 8
5 - Final Four
2 - National Runner Up
1 - National Champion
8 - Elite 8 or better
9 - Sweet 16 or better

Coach K
3 - Round of 64
1 - Round of 32
3 - Sweet 16
1 - Elite 8
2 - Final Four
0/1 National Runner Up
1/2 National Champion
3 - Elite 8 or better
6 - Sweet 16 or better

Cal probably won't stick it out another 10 years, so Coach's K's 4 NC's (and maybe 5) are safe. Over the last 10 years, Cal is much better than Coach K. It is a bloodbath.

Swap teams and Coach K would most likely have 6 and maybe 7 NC right now. No teams since the UCLA Wooden days has had the major gap in talent over the other teams that Cal has had the past 6-10 years.

Not sure if Coach K would have this many or not. He already gets his share of McDonald's AA's and sometimes makes an early tourney exit to a much inferior team. Now, if Izzo had this talent level then I would say yes - he would have 6 or 7 NC's right now.

(04-05-2015 02:46 AM)Stammers Wrote:  Best coach in the game? - No, Cal is better right now
More success than Cal ever? - Debatable, Coack K, 34 years at Duke, Cal 16 years Memphis/Kentucky
More championships - Yes, and probably over time yes because Cal won't last 18 more years
Better legacy - Yes

Last 10 Years
Cal
1 - NIT
1 - Sweet 16
3 - Elite 8
5 - Final Four
2 - National Runner Up
1 - National Champion
8 - Elite 8 or better
9 - Sweet 16 or better

Coach K
3 - Round of 64
1 - Round of 32
3 - Sweet 16
1 - Elite 8
2 - Final Four
0/1 National Runner Up
1/2 National Champion
3 - Elite 8 or better
6 - Sweet 16 or better

Cal probably won't stick it out another 10 years, so Coach's K's 4 NC's (and maybe 5) are safe. Over the last 10 years, Cal is much better than Coach K. It is a bloodbath.

4 > 1

speaks for itself imo

(04-06-2015 07:38 AM)presskh Wrote:  

(04-05-2015 06:13 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(04-05-2015 02:46 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-05-2015 01:22 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Cai is the best recruiter in the history of college BB.

Coach K is the best HC in in the game has had more success than Cal ever will. More championships (with less talent than Cal) and a better legacy.

End of factual statements.

Quote:Cal is the best recruiter in the history of college BB.

Yes

Quote:Coach K is the best HC in in the game has had more success than Cal ever will. More championships (with less talent than Cal) and a better legacy.

Best coach in the game? - No, Cal is better right now
More success than Cal ever? - Debatable, Coack K, 34 years at Duke, Cal 16 years Memphis/Kentucky
More championships - Yes, and probably over time yes because Cal won't last 18 more years
Better legacy - Yes

Last 10 Years
Cal
1 - NIT
1 - Sweet 16
3 - Elite 8
5 - Final Four
2 - National Runner Up
1 - National Champion
8 - Elite 8 or better
9 - Sweet 16 or better

Coach K
3 - Round of 64
1 - Round of 32
3 - Sweet 16
1 - Elite 8
2 - Final Four
0/1 National Runner Up
1/2 National Champion
3 - Elite 8 or better
6 - Sweet 16 or better

Cal probably won't stick it out another 10 years, so Coach's K's 4 NC's (and maybe 5) are safe. Over the last 10 years, Cal is much better than Coach K. It is a bloodbath.

Swap teams and Coach K would most likely have 6 and maybe 7 NC right now. No teams since the UCLA Wooden days has had the major gap in talent over the other teams that Cal has had the past 6-10 years.

Not sure if Coach K would have this many or not. He already gets his share of McDonald's AA's and sometimes makes an early tourney exit to a much inferior team. Now, if Izzo had this talent level then I would say yes - he would have 6 or 7 NC's right now.

Maybe, but Cal pretty much wins strictly off of physical advantages. Any year that he loses it's usually against a team that he can't dominate physically or put a guy who is 5 inches taller on the other teams best player. Coach K does get plenty of All-Americans, but he doesn't have NBA sized players at every position year after year.

(04-06-2015 08:29 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(04-05-2015 02:46 AM)Stammers Wrote:  Best coach in the game? - No, Cal is better right now
More success than Cal ever? - Debatable, Coack K, 34 years at Duke, Cal 16 years Memphis/Kentucky
More championships - Yes, and probably over time yes because Cal won't last 18 more years
Better legacy - Yes

Last 10 Years
Cal
1 - NIT
1 - Sweet 16
3 - Elite 8
5 - Final Four
2 - National Runner Up
1 - National Champion
8 - Elite 8 or better
9 - Sweet 16 or better

Coach K
3 - Round of 64
1 - Round of 32
3 - Sweet 16
1 - Elite 8
2 - Final Four
0/1 National Runner Up
1/2 National Champion
3 - Elite 8 or better
6 - Sweet 16 or better

Cal probably won't stick it out another 10 years, so Coach's K's 4 NC's (and maybe 5) are safe. Over the last 10 years, Cal is much better than Coach K. It is a bloodbath.

4 > 1

speaks for itself imo

34>16

(04-06-2015 08:34 AM)dwash Wrote:  

(04-06-2015 07:38 AM)presskh Wrote:  

(04-05-2015 06:13 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(04-05-2015 02:46 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-05-2015 01:22 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Cai is the best recruiter in the history of college BB.

Coach K is the best HC in in the game has had more success than Cal ever will. More championships (with less talent than Cal) and a better legacy.

End of factual statements.

Quote:Cal is the best recruiter in the history of college BB.

Yes

Quote:Coach K is the best HC in in the game has had more success than Cal ever will. More championships (with less talent than Cal) and a better legacy.

Best coach in the game? - No, Cal is better right now
More success than Cal ever? - Debatable, Coack K, 34 years at Duke, Cal 16 years Memphis/Kentucky
More championships - Yes, and probably over time yes because Cal won't last 18 more years
Better legacy - Yes

Last 10 Years
Cal
1 - NIT
1 - Sweet 16
3 - Elite 8
5 - Final Four
2 - National Runner Up
1 - National Champion
8 - Elite 8 or better
9 - Sweet 16 or better

Coach K
3 - Round of 64
1 - Round of 32
3 - Sweet 16
1 - Elite 8
2 - Final Four
0/1 National Runner Up
1/2 National Champion
3 - Elite 8 or better
6 - Sweet 16 or better

Cal probably won't stick it out another 10 years, so Coach's K's 4 NC's (and maybe 5) are safe. Over the last 10 years, Cal is much better than Coach K. It is a bloodbath.

Swap teams and Coach K would most likely have 6 and maybe 7 NC right now. No teams since the UCLA Wooden days has had the major gap in talent over the other teams that Cal has had the past 6-10 years.

Not sure if Coach K would have this many or not. He already gets his share of McDonald's AA's and sometimes makes an early tourney exit to a much inferior team. Now, if Izzo had this talent level then I would say yes - he would have 6 or 7 NC's right now.

Maybe, but Cal pretty much wins strictly off of physical advantages. Any year that he loses it's usually against a team that he can't dominate physically or put a guy who is 5 inches taller on the other teams best player. Coach K does get plenty of All-Americans, but he doesn't have NBA sized players at every position year after year.

I am amazed that people say stuff like this. Strictly off of physical advantages? Is that a joke?

Quote:Coach K does get plenty of All-Americans, but he doesn't have NBA sized players at every position year after year.

Not getting the tallest players is an excuse for having the best talent and not making it to the Sweet 16 almost half the time? You can't possibly think that that makes sense, can you?

In the last 10 years, Cal has made the Elite 8 or better, 8 times. Coach K has made it to the Elite 8 or better 3 times.


Get creative and try to argue how somehow 8<3. Good luck.

(04-06-2015 06:34 AM)NJ1 Wrote:  

(04-05-2015 01:00 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(04-05-2015 08:57 AM)NJ1 Wrote:  It's called "class."

There are plenty of legitimate criticisms of Pastner's job performance, but what he's doing here is showing class. It's what he does, what he's always done. He heaps praise on rivals and adversaries. It's been his identity for the 6+ years he's been here.

Really not much to see here, IMO.

I have to disagree somewhat. I think it's quite fair to debate whether this was a smart move or not, given the current circumstances.

Fair enough-- perhaps I'm just not seeing it. How could being complimentary of another coach backfire? Recruiting?

It's not the complimentary nature, that I get and would do myself, it's just part of the whole schtick. Rather, I found him gushing, almost fawning. It would be like the leader of a country going on and on and on about how wonderful the leader of a semi-hostile country was, past the point of mere diplomatic niceties. Nobody likes to see their leader cower before another, and that's how it came across to me.

I also don't see how it could possibly help recruiting when you've got guys like Skal whom we at least were nominally recruiting. Respect is fine, even admiration, but I think he crossed the line. Then, when you combine it with the whole 'coaching is overrated' stuff, which I guess I somehow missed, a picture begins to emerge where you ask yourself exactly what Pastner thinks he's good at? If coaching is overrated, and a guy you recruit against is better than you (which you are, by definition, saying yourself), then exactly why are you leading the program?

Coach K > Cal. Who you recruit does not equate to championships as oppose to how you develop the players who win championships. While saying all this... Wisconsin will win tonight if they can contain Okafor and Winslow.

(04-06-2015 10:31 AM)hartless Wrote:  Coach K > Cal. Who you recruit does not equate to championships as oppose to how you develop the players who win championships. While saying all this... Wisconsin will win tonight if they can contain Okafor and Winslow.

perfectly said.

I'll be cheering on Wisconsin tonight!

(04-06-2015 10:31 AM)hartless Wrote:  Coach K > Cal. Who you recruit does not equate to championships as oppose to how you develop the players who win championships. While saying all this... Wisconsin will win tonight if they can contain Okafor and Winslow.

In the last 10 years...

Last 10 Years
Cal
1 - NIT
1 - Sweet 16
3 - Elite 8
5 - Final Four
2 - National Runner Up
1 - National Champion
8 - Elite 8 or better
9 - Sweet 16 or better

Coach K
3 - Round of 64
1 - Round of 32
3 - Sweet 16
1 - Elite 8
2 - Final Four
0/1 National Runner Up
1/2 National Champion
3 - Elite 8 or better
6 - Sweet 16 or better

Cal has been head and shoulders better than Coach K. It isn't even close.

(04-06-2015 10:42 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-06-2015 10:31 AM)hartless Wrote:  Coach K > Cal. Who you recruit does not equate to championships as oppose to how you develop the players who win championships. While saying all this... Wisconsin will win tonight if they can contain Okafor and Winslow.

In the last 10 years...

Last 10 Years
Cal
1 - NIT
1 - Sweet 16
3 - Elite 8
5 - Final Four
2 - National Runner Up
1 - National Champion
8 - Elite 8 or better
9 - Sweet 16 or better

Coach K
3 - Round of 64
1 - Round of 32
3 - Sweet 16
1 - Elite 8
2 - Final Four
0/1 National Runner Up
1/2 National Champion
3 - Elite 8 or better
6 - Sweet 16 or better

Cal has been head and shoulders better than Coach K. It isn't even close.

In baseball batting .300 or better is really good, in basketball FG shooting of .500 is considered good and football the percentage of completions per attempt is decent at .500.

Championship games is what matters here and in 35 years Coach K 4/8 = .500 and in 23 Cal is 1/3 = .333.

Coach K After 30 years of being at Duke he has only missed the NCAA tourney 4 times, once due to back surgery. He has been to the final four 11 times.

Cal after 23 years of coaching college basketball has missed the tourney 7 times. He has been to the final four 6 times.

Now, in saying all this, it's not my intention to diminish Cal's accomplishments but rather make one aware that Coach K is a better all around coach, period.

(04-06-2015 10:42 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-06-2015 10:31 AM)hartless Wrote:  Coach K > Cal. Who you recruit does not equate to championships as oppose to how you develop the players who win championships. While saying all this... Wisconsin will win tonight if they can contain Okafor and Winslow.

In the last 10 years...

Last 10 Years
Cal
1 - NIT
1 - Sweet 16
3 - Elite 8
5 - Final Four
2 - National Runner Up
1 - National Champion
8 - Elite 8 or better
9 - Sweet 16 or better

Coach K
3 - Round of 64
1 - Round of 32
3 - Sweet 16
1 - Elite 8
2 - Final Four
0/1 National Runner Up
1/2 National Champion
3 - Elite 8 or better
6 - Sweet 16 or better

Cal has been head and shoulders better than Coach K. It isn't even close.

5 > 1

Not even close