(04-02-2015 01:35 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 01:28 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-01-2015 04:04 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-01-2015 03:56 PM)poppaslaw Wrote:  Representatives from Texas are in deep discussions with VCU's Shaka Smart about becoming the Longhorns' next head coach, and Texas officials will be surprised if he doesn't eventually accept an offer, a source told CBSSports.com on Wednesday afternoon.

Whether Smart will actually accept remains unclear.

But Texas officals are optimistic, a source told CBSSports.com.

The best part was the "if Texas is unable to get Smart, they will turn to Larry Krystkowiak or Chris Mack."

That's how it works, even if you are P5 with a good tradition, in a fertile recruiting area and have boatloads of money. You need to get lucky.

Seems like some were purporting the importance of being P5 in terms of basketball.

I guess Bama didn't get the memo.

(04-02-2015 02:03 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 01:35 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 01:28 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-01-2015 04:04 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-01-2015 03:56 PM)poppaslaw Wrote:  Representatives from Texas are in deep discussions with VCU's Shaka Smart about becoming the Longhorns' next head coach, and Texas officials will be surprised if he doesn't eventually accept an offer, a source told CBSSports.com on Wednesday afternoon.

Whether Smart will actually accept remains unclear.

But Texas officals are optimistic, a source told CBSSports.com.

The best part was the "if Texas is unable to get Smart, they will turn to Larry Krystkowiak or Chris Mack."

That's how it works, even if you are P5 with a good tradition, in a fertile recruiting area and have boatloads of money. You need to get lucky.

Seems like some were purporting the importance of being P5 in terms of basketball.

I guess Bama didn't get the memo.

How many successful, established coaches have non P5 schools hired in the last 5 years?

(04-02-2015 01:57 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 01:52 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 01:35 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 01:28 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-01-2015 04:04 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  The best part was the "if Texas is unable to get Smart, they will turn to Larry Krystkowiak or Chris Mack."

That's how it works, even if you are P5 with a good tradition, in a fertile recruiting area and have boatloads of money. You need to get lucky.

Seems like some were purporting the importance of being P5 in terms of basketball.

It sure helps.

And the importance will only increase with time, as revenue disparities widen and compound the differences in budgets and facilities.

You can work around a $20 million disparity for a year or two. You can't work around $100 million over 5 years.

(04-02-2015 12:50 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 11:39 AM)dan o Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 11:28 AM)mphsfan Wrote:  Then who goes to VCU?

Miller

Pastner

The dominoes are starting to fall. Donovan to the NBA? Cal too, maybe? There could be massive movement.

Will Wade, Chattanooga to VCU. He's a former assistant with a great reputation.

(04-02-2015 02:22 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 01:57 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 01:52 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 01:35 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 01:28 PM)Stammers Wrote:  That's how it works, even if you are P5 with a good tradition, in a fertile recruiting area and have boatloads of money. You need to get lucky.

Seems like some were purporting the importance of being P5 in terms of basketball.

It sure helps.

And the importance will only increase with time, as revenue disparities widen and compound the differences in budgets and facilities.

You can work around a $20 million disparity for a year or two. You can't work around $100 million over 5 years.

The disparity hasn't always been $20 million of course, but this started with the BCS in 98.

The divide was always there and growing.

I agree - 5-10-15 more years and if you're on the outside, it might be all over.

(04-02-2015 01:57 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  And the importance will only increase with time, as revenue disparities widen and compound the differences in budgets and facilities.

like compounding interest

Yep - been happening for a while now.

(04-02-2015 10:08 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 10:00 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 09:58 AM)MemphisTiger15 Wrote:  If we ever did get into the Big 12 and still had Pastner as a coach, we would get destroyed on a nightly basis.

Self
Kruger
Shaka
Huggins
Drew
Hoiberg
Ford - if he's still around


Add these conference losses to our annual blowout losses against any name team we play in Nov and Dec, and it would make for some ugly 15-18 loss seasons.

I agree. As long as we have Pastner we should turn down a Big 12 invite.

I prefer remaining positive - when the Big 12 invite comes, we should all help Pastner pack the U-Haul.

Well if Bill is going to go negative dog on us, someone has to be positive.

(04-01-2015 03:54 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  Damn. Another missed opportunity.

So, Barnes goes to the tournament 16 out of 17 years and yet, get this, a GOOD coach like Shaka Smart is going to take the job?

According to some if we let Paz go with 4/6 we'd NEVER even get a good coach to interview for much less take our job.....

IF SS accepts the job; Boom goes the dynamite!

Especially if they read the venom spewed at coaches and players and ADs and presidents and trainers by "fans" on this board.

(04-02-2015 02:21 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 02:03 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 01:35 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 01:28 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-01-2015 04:04 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  The best part was the "if Texas is unable to get Smart, they will turn to Larry Krystkowiak or Chris Mack."

That's how it works, even if you are P5 with a good tradition, in a fertile recruiting area and have boatloads of money. You need to get lucky.

Seems like some were purporting the importance of being P5 in terms of basketball.

I guess Bama didn't get the memo.

How many successful, established coaches have non P5 schools hired in the last 5 years?

That has zero to do with what the discussion is.

Hoops mentioned the narrative that good coaches are leaving non-P5 schools for what many consider unattractive P5 schools just to get into the P5 club.

So people might try to argue there are certain non-P5 schools that could still pull/retain coaches because of their level of success and commitment to basketball.

Marshall NOT jumping ship to Bama at least shows there is still a level of discretion that trumps desperation for non-P5 coaches who are at a good place.

(04-02-2015 02:43 PM)Poorwill Wrote:  

(04-01-2015 03:54 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  Damn. Another missed opportunity.

So, Barnes goes to the tournament 16 out of 17 years and yet, get this, a GOOD coach like Shaka Smart is going to take the job?

According to some if we let Paz go with 4/6 we'd NEVER even get a good coach to interview for much less take our job.....

IF SS accepts the job; Boom goes the dynamite!

Especially if they read the venom spewed at coaches and players and ADs and presidents and trainers by "fans" on this board.

Exactly. Because the "fans" should only care about Josh Pastner, not the University of Memphis.

Pfffffffft...I'm over it.

(04-02-2015 02:32 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  Well if Bill is going to go negative dog on us, someone has to be positive.

TrUeth.

The world will spin out of control without the balance of yin yang.

(04-02-2015 02:25 PM)mphsfan Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 01:57 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  And the importance will only increase with time, as revenue disparities widen and compound the differences in budgets and facilities.

like compounding interest

I knew you would get that.

(04-02-2015 02:22 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 01:57 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 01:52 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 01:35 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 01:28 PM)Stammers Wrote:  That's how it works, even if you are P5 with a good tradition, in a fertile recruiting area and have boatloads of money. You need to get lucky.

Seems like some were purporting the importance of being P5 in terms of basketball.

It sure helps.

And the importance will only increase with time, as revenue disparities widen and compound the differences in budgets and facilities.

You can work around a $20 million disparity for a year or two. You can't work around $100 million over 5 years.

Precisely.

(04-02-2015 02:43 PM)Poorwill Wrote:  

(04-01-2015 03:54 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  Damn. Another missed opportunity.

So, Barnes goes to the tournament 16 out of 17 years and yet, get this, a GOOD coach like Shaka Smart is going to take the job?

According to some if we let Paz go with 4/6 we'd NEVER even get a good coach to interview for much less take our job.....

IF SS accepts the job; Boom goes the dynamite!

Especially if they read the venom spewed at coaches and players and ADs and presidents and trainers by "fans" on this board.

I can assure you that coaches who have a real shot to get a top 100 D1 head coaching job don't give a s h i t about what is said or not said on this or any other message board. They all have thick skins, fat wallets, and egos the size of Dallas.....

(04-02-2015 02:47 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 02:21 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 02:03 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 01:35 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 01:28 PM)Stammers Wrote:  That's how it works, even if you are P5 with a good tradition, in a fertile recruiting area and have boatloads of money. You need to get lucky.

Seems like some were purporting the importance of being P5 in terms of basketball.

I guess Bama didn't get the memo.

How many successful, established coaches have non P5 schools hired in the last 5 years?

That has zero to do with what the discussion is.

Hoops mentioned the narrative that good coaches are leaving non-P5 schools for what many consider unattractive P5 schools just to get into the P5 club.

So people might try to argue there are certain non-P5 schools that could still pull/retain coaches because of their level of success and commitment to basketball.

Marshall NOT jumping ship to Bama at least shows there is still a level of discretion that trumps desperation for non-P5 coaches who are at a good place.

Quote:That has zero to do with what the discussion is.

I didn't read the rest because I assumed that you went off on a meaningless rant. We are a non P5 school. How many non P5 schools have hired established successful coaches?

Simple question; I really don't care about anything else you have to say. If you don't know, just say you don't know.

(04-02-2015 02:58 PM)Stammers Wrote:  I didn't read the rest because I assumed that you went off on a meaningless rant.

I really don't care about anything else you have to say.

Ok.

(04-02-2015 01:30 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  ...what if Billy D jumps to the NBA and SS takes the UF job instead?

#mayhem

dogs and cats

living together

mass hysteria

(04-02-2015 02:55 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 02:22 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 01:57 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 01:52 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(04-02-2015 01:35 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  Seems like some were purporting the importance of being P5 in terms of basketball.

It sure helps.

And the importance will only increase with time, as revenue disparities widen and compound the differences in budgets and facilities.

You can work around a $20 million disparity for a year or two. You can't work around $100 million over 5 years.

Precisely.

And how many years of that kind of disparity are we talkin here?