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Might be a problem playing at Science Hill after all.
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One would think the ETSU compliance officer would've done due diligence on this, but he's also the same incompetent doofy that told everyone you could use scholarship football players to play club football.
He's also the same doofy that had a departmental wide academic scandal happen in front of his face at Radford that he was clueless too.
03-20-2015 11:58 AM
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ETSU has given plenty of fodder to the anti-football types that say it's a mistake. I have to say as a supporter of the program ETSU has given me plenty of reason to question if they're going to be able to pull things off. This is just another public embarrassment that gives doubters more reason to doubt. It reeks of incompetence.
03-20-2015 12:06 PM
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RE: Might be a problem playing at Science Hill after all.
Buy a rug and play in the dome for two years.
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What besides this, give you reason to suspect football may fail?
03-20-2015 12:13 PM
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(03-20-2015 12:13 PM)ETSUfan1 Wrote:  What besides this, give you reason to suspect football may fail?

I didn't mean to suggest it will fail. I just feel like they've stubbed their toe with the roll out. There have been several instances of putting the cart in front of the horse ie; the stadium, women's sports, non-scholarship season, and selling seats in a stadium that we don't have clearance to play in. Everytime an article like this comes out it fans the flames of the antis and it looks unprofessional.
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I am still disappointed that we ever tried to go to a high school stadium in the first place. If football NEEDED to return ahead of a new stadium (debatable in either direction, and I do see the merit of how the staff and team has been brought in first), I would still have preferred the dome. I know some will disagree strongly, as outdoor football is the way it's supposed to be. But high school stadium is almost a self fulfilling prophecy of sorts.
03-20-2015 01:11 PM
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(03-20-2015 12:06 PM)ETSU-07 Wrote:  ETSU has given plenty of fodder to the anti-football types that say it's a mistake. I have to say as a supporter of the program ETSU has given me plenty of reason to question if they're going to be able to pull things off. This is just another public embarrassment that gives doubters more reason to doubt. It reeks of incompetence.

It's incompetence because you've got an A.D. who's never done anything with football and was brought in specifically to clean house. That's apparent now with Murry, Karen, Barbie, and Sara Hacker slipping out the door to no fanfare. I'm surprised honestly that Tony Skole, Lindsey Devine, and JoAnn Paty still have jobs, but I guess you can't fire everyone at once. He's got a compliance guy in there that he didn't hire, and is dumber than a box of hammers. It's like in the movie Casino when Sam Rothstein told the councilman that either his son in law was in on the scam, or he was too dumb to know the difference. The compliance guy is an idiot. He's proven time and time again, and nobody is there to call his ass out on it.
Then we've got Scott Carter, who's a great guy and an awesome fundraiser, flesh presser, and all that, but his experience from an employment standpoint has been strictly on the business side of things, not the competition side. That's a problem. That's why we keep seeing missteps. Now I get the justification that FAU and FIU didn't have stadiums when they started, and Old Dominion was basically playing in a high school stadium and still is, but they were bigger. Both FAU/FIU have new stadiums, ODU has one in the works, as does ETSU.
It won't fail, for the first time ever there's money involved, so even with an administration who's having to learn from their mistakes in the public eye I firmly believe they got the hiring process for the staff done right. Experience at the head coach, one of the coordinators eats, sleeps, and breathes ETSU, the other has an insane amount of experience, former players, an SEC connection, and some NFL playing experience. That's a great thing.
Stay positive. Be as supportive as you can be, and offer suggestions. Dr. Sander seems really willing to at least listen to fans, which is a huge improvement over that pile of horse dung we had before him.
03-20-2015 01:54 PM
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I think this will be worked out soon, they just have to rewrite the agreement, and go to the NCAA to get everything worked out.
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(03-20-2015 01:54 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  
(03-20-2015 12:06 PM)ETSU-07 Wrote:  ETSU has given plenty of fodder to the anti-football types that say it's a mistake. I have to say as a supporter of the program ETSU has given me plenty of reason to question if they're going to be able to pull things off. This is just another public embarrassment that gives doubters more reason to doubt. It reeks of incompetence.

It's incompetence because you've got an A.D. who's never done anything with football and was brought in specifically to clean house. That's apparent now with Murry, Karen, Barbie, and Sara Hacker slipping out the door to no fanfare. I'm surprised honestly that Tony Skole, Lindsey Devine, and JoAnn Paty still have jobs, but I guess you can't fire everyone at once. He's got a compliance guy in there that he didn't hire, and is dumber than a box of hammers. It's like in the movie Casino when Sam Rothstein told the councilman that either his son in law was in on the scam, or he was too dumb to know the difference. The compliance guy is an idiot. He's proven time and time again, and nobody is there to call his ass out on it.
Then we've got Scott Carter, who's a great guy and an awesome fundraiser, flesh presser, and all that, but his experience from an employment standpoint has been strictly on the business side of things, not the competition side. That's a problem. That's why we keep seeing missteps. Now I get the justification that FAU and FIU didn't have stadiums when they started, and Old Dominion was basically playing in a high school stadium and still is, but they were bigger. Both FAU/FIU have new stadiums, ODU has one in the works, as does ETSU.
It won't fail, for the first time ever there's money involved, so even with an administration who's having to learn from their mistakes in the public eye I firmly believe they got the hiring process for the staff done right. Experience at the head coach, one of the coordinators eats, sleeps, and breathes ETSU, the other has an insane amount of experience, former players, an SEC connection, and some NFL playing experience. That's a great thing.
Stay positive. Be as supportive as you can be, and offer suggestions. Dr. Sander seems really willing to at least listen to fans, which is a huge improvement over that pile of horse dung we had before him.

An excellent reason to terminate the compliance guy immediately and delegate that responsibility on a temporary basis to someone in the athletic dept to take care of this problem within 72 hours, period. By the way, how the heck did the Southern Confetence get involved?
03-20-2015 02:45 PM
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Also keep in mind that the JC Press and other media here don't always have a lot of truly newsworthy items. A little clause that needs to be added to the agreement to satisfy the NCAA to me seems like a tiny problem that was made a lot bigger by a reporter that needed a story or felt like adding fuel to the fire of debate of football coming back (for both sides).
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I think it was a fair opportunity for criticism. We harp on the press showing favoritism to Bartow and basketball, so I'm rather happy to see an open story from the press. I'll take critical over bandwagoneering anyday.
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I look at as the same people and the same people that intimated that the team would not be able to play at Freedom Hall. Therefore I have no doubt we will be playing at Kermit-Tipton stadium.
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(03-20-2015 03:29 PM)bucfan81 Wrote:  I look at as the same people and the same people that intimated that the team would not be able to play at Freedom Hall. Therefore I have no doubt we will be playing at Kermit-Tipton stadium.

*Meant to say "and the same newspaper".
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This article seems to be much ado about nothing. They'll get it worked out.
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(03-21-2015 09:06 PM)prosec34 Wrote:  This article seems to be much ado about nothing. They'll get it worked out.

They will. They always do, but the reality is if this keeps up with all the little stumbling blocks, and the school board being pecker heads about it, just play in the dome in 2016. Pull the wraps off the old press boxes and go with it for one season. Or better yet, break ground on the new stadium next week and get the damn thing done. Make your '16 schedule where you play your first two on the road, then come in to allow for a little extra time.
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There is no way ETSU will play football or basketball in the dome.

ETSU cannot start building the football stadium until the money is in the bank to build the first phase. The plan is to raise the remaining money in the next 6-8 months. Much of the money has been pledged but it has to be in the ETSU coffers before the state will allow any construction.

The situation with the contract with the city to play at KTS is easily fixable. All the hand wringing on this board is much to do about nothing.
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I know it's an easy fix as do most, it's just the principle of dealing with these chicken suckers with the JC School System and peckerheads like Dick Manahan that make me feel that way. No joke, I'd almost they give rent to Tusculum and play the damn games in Greeneville for a year and say to hell with Science Hill.
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When it was reported last year that ETSU said they would play a year, maybe two at Science Hill. I thought of this rule. But figured that ETSU had already secured a waiver for at least a year.

This is the same rule that stopped AAU and JuCos from playing on college campuses and in college facilities. Like it or not, its one of the better rules that the NCAA has. When AAU and JuCos were allowed to play at college facilities it gave unfair access to those universities. Even though Science Hill is just right down the road and Im sure there are BUC fans everywhere there, having ETSU play there would give ETSU a recruiting advantage to those HS players.

If the NCAA allows a waiver then fine.
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I realize Freedom Hall is own by the city, but how is it any different from the basketball program using Freedom Hall? Don't the same risks apply???

p.s ETSU playing both of it major sports on a high school campus is still appalling to me. At least football is temporary, god only knows how long basketball will live off-campus.

It's embarrassing.
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